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  1. Would you vote for a Nazi lover? Associated Press updated 6:10 a.m. ET, Tues., Oct. 7, 2008 McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago. The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe. 'New guy on the block' "McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated. " jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  2. Nope jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  3. Esentially true - Werner von Braun had a 'come to Geezus' moment when his son told him he was marrying a Jewish girl, but in the end it was Werner von Braun who saw the light and came to terms with that. John McCain chooses to pretend that there is no light. John Sidney McCain III - McCain First...country will have to wait a bit jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  4. Groefaz of course. And the fact that Muslims will have to wear a green Crescent on their clothing in the United States and will have to add Hussein(M) Zuleika(F) in their official documents and we may start deporting them to Guantanamo in cattle cars soon. We just have to re-open the rail ferry to Cuba again jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  5. Pretty much. We have a new Fuehrer - John Sidney McCain the 3rd The Greatest Warlord of all Times - abbreviated as The GreWaT jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  6. In an unprecedented gesture of inter planetary friendship John McCain addressed the Martians last night. I want to share this highly confidential video with you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3zKG1A9tw&watch_response jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  7. You guys should really enjoy this one. I am sure Sidney III likes it too. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  8. Wendy, please look to my threads with regards to McCains ties to Nazi collaborators, Ho Chi Minh, the communists, the KGB and other to find even more clues. And of course I agree that he played craps with Saddam. After that we played a game of spinner and McCain had to take his pants off. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  9. I am not sure what you mean. After all, after reading a couple of lines you should know weather you want to read on or not. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  10. Then they should definitely believe what is written about McCain. Another fact - while McCain destroyed two enemy aircraft (two grounded Mig-21's he bombed) he also destroyed three US aircraft he piloted + the one he got shot down in (that makes four alltogether). That leaves McCain's score at Enemy 4: US 2 jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  11. The truth slowly comes out. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  12. Thank you - you read my point correctly. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  13. U.S. Veteran Dispatch By Ted Sampley March, 2008 For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam. McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide. Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation. At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened." Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress. In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults. Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause." The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer." The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head. McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body. These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m." McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement." In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military. Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam. No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system. Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner. McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain. U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them." During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation. Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½-year prisoner of the communists. The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare. By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted." Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States. Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations. Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog." Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media." Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others. In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets." Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television. Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly. McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother. In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie. More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed." During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war. News pundits have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity. What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer. It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m." Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions? McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment? Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies? Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp? McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return? Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam? Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain? jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  14. The world has abandoned the Gold Parity system in 1974. It is a pretty outdated idea. The value of a national currency is rated by the confidence that is put in a nations economy. That is in the free market of course. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  15. Associated Press updated 6:10 a.m. ET, Tues., Oct. 7, 2008 McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago. The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe. 'New guy on the block' "McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  16. Why does McCain hide his past? Read article below: "By Baldur Schirah, The Orlando Observer, October 7, 2008 John McCain has a lot of unknowns in his past. As a matter of fact John McCain has six years of his life he can’t really account for. For six years Mr. McCain lived in Hanoi with Maoists and Communists and all sorts of left wing radicals who put our troops in harm’s way. He even signed a declaration in which he admits that the United States in an imperialist aggressor and that he has personally committed war crimes against the people of North Vietnam. John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books. Why is it that Mr. McCain who came back home to bask in the glory of a POW and war hero wants to hide his past? After all when interviewed his alleged torturers reminisce of a friendly chap who tought them English. Why is it that Mr. McCain wanted his fellow POW to remain behind? Is it perhaps because of the fact that aside the declaration of war crimes he also signed a declaration of loyalty to the communist rulers of Vietnam? There are many mysteries in Senator McCain’s past in his alleged capture. He lived with and among communists for six long years. He was probably brain washed sufficiently by them. After all if they would have been so bad to him, why was he the first proponent of re-establishing relations and lifting sanctions on Vietnam? Let us not forget that Vietnam till this day is a communist country aligned with communist China and Mr. McCain is their best friend and champion in the U.S. Senate." jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  17. By Baldur Schirah, The Orlando Observer, October 7, 2008 John McCain has a lot of unknowns in his past. As a matter of fact John McCain has six years of his life he can’t really account for. For six years Mr. McCain lived in Hanoi with Maoists and Communists and all sorts of left wing radicals who put our troops in harm’s way. He even signed a declaration in which he admits that the United States in an imperialist aggressor and that he has personally committed war crimes against the people of North Vietnam. John McCain, who has risen to political prominence on his image as a Vietnam POW war hero, has, inexplicably, worked very hard to hide from the public stunning information about American prisoners in Vietnam who, unlike him, didn't return home. Throughout his Senate career, McCain has quietly sponsored and pushed into federal law a set of prohibitions that keep the most revealing information about these men buried as classified documents. Thus the war hero who people would logically imagine as a determined crusader for the interests of POWs and their families became instead the strange champion of hiding the evidence and closing the books. Why is it that Mr. McCain who came back home to bask in the glory of a POW and war hero wants to hide his past? After all when interviewed his alleged torturers reminisce of a friendly chap who tought them English. Why is it that Mr. McCain wanted his fellow POW to remain behind? Is it perhaps because of the fact that aside the declaration of war crimes he also signed a declaration of loyalty to the communist rulers of Vietnam? There are many mysteries in Senator McCain’s past in his alleged capture. He lived with and among communists for six long years. He was probably brain washed sufficiently by them. After all if they would have been so bad to him, why was he the first proponent of re-establishing relations and lifting sanctions on Vietnam? Let us not forget that Vietnam till this day is a communist country aligned with communist China and Mr. McCain is their best friend and champion in the U.S. Senate. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  18. While I appreciate that you have a thought there somewhere I have to tell you that unfortunately your communication skills are less than impressive. I will ignore the spelling. My point is that you have a problem making a point. Now to my point - what freedom filled place in the world do you come from that you claim that WE live in a police state. Pray explain and I will be happy to tell you what YOUR police does jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  19. Bill, you are so forceful, so manly jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  20. Mama, dear -- a. Liberals have just as much right to vote and be a part of government. It's part of what makes America what it is. Conservatives, too. b. You don't really help your cause by misspelling government. Wendy W. Thanks for pointing out my typo, I type very fast and occasionally make mistakes. I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago.... Whooooow... if we elect a Muslim into office the dead will rise from their graves. Also wives will become communal and children will have evil powers over their parents. Now seriously, which forest were you did the wolves raise you in? You obviously are not serious, cause if you are then you should take a pill or something. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  21. Cool. Now we can move on to Rhodesia, Belgian Congo, Persia, and the likes. In addition, we should patrol the waters off the Afar and Issas territory and make sure them pirates stop hi-jacking ships to Italian Somaliland. Things sure are looking up.
  22. I am starting to wonder if Obama has spent some money. Have you noticed all the "new" ID's on this siteQuote Rush, I was posting on this web site while you were still hanging in a dried condom on your grandma's clothes line... that just for the record.
  23. Are you a Teamster or something? IF I would lose my job I would find a way to get by. And I would NOT be knocking at the door of any government agency to do it. I have a son that has no health insurance right now. Dont like it, but it is not up to socialism to see that he does. In any event, at least after this post I understand where you come from and why. Not good, not bad, I just understand I guess you just did not figure a way to get your son health insurance, so please don't make claims that you could take care of yourself. Wanting for the United States to have a strong manufacturing base has nothing to do with being a trade union member. It has to do with wanting this country to lead in all aspects. We are currenly figting a war that is being financed by our greatest political and economic opponent - China. They are letting us have the money as when we concentrate on bringing democracy and education to the children of Iraq (while neglecting our own in the United States) they are turning into an economic and military superpower, they sell us high technology, while we sell them scrap metal - just like a good third world country. jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  24. OK, so you I trying to say that we are trimphant in Iraq. Yes, to the tune of $10,000,000,000 a month of my hard earned money the military has brought down bombings by 20% by increasing the occupational force by 20%. And now they are equipping and training the guys who will be shooting at them in two months - we are so succesful! jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275
  25. First of all let us distinguish between socialism and social responsibility. I have, YOU do not seem to be able to LEt's looks at just one aspect - health insurance. I am well educated and am able to care relatively well for the hordes of children that I have. As I run a small business I am well aware of the costs of health insurance. I am also well aware of the limitiations insurance companies pose on you. Like state mandates and restrictions of the ability to allow compainies to sell across state lines to offer people affordable programs not limited by government control? Like those limitations? I am once again lucky - I am at a good age and of perfect health. The travesty is that while we are one of the few top technically developed countries in the world whith an infrastructure second to none, over 50 million (that is 50,000,000) of our fellow citizens HAVE NO FORM OF HEALTH INSURANCE!!! This number is a spin but, for the case of this post I will give it to you. That being said, none of those you list will be turned away from ER when hurt or sick. YOu and I already pay for them. If we want to pay more, just let the government run itThat means that they get no preventive health checkups, no mammographs, no cholesterol measures nothing! If they have a mishap they will get the basic care as hospitals will admitt them, but the following health bills will drive them into bankruptcy, make them loose whatever they have. If you ask me if we need more social responsibilitysocailism is what you propose. Nothing sort of it either in this country the answer is YES. Liberalism per definition is incribed into the constitution of the United States. Aside for all else it is the Government for the people and by the people. In that definition, for the people means that the government has certain responsibilities towards the citizens. In today's eveloved economic and social systems that means taking care of the BASIC needs of the citizens and health care is one of them.No, it is not Socialism calls for collective ownership and administration of means of production.You should know as that is what you strive for here I strongly believe that the Democratic National Convention could not be further from suggesting that. Social responsibility however is a sign of developed societies. Give me a break I may be an atheist but I am the first one to say that we have a responsibilitie for those lesser brothers of ours. That is what differenciates us from animals. I am not calling for a larger government sorry, that is not true- as a matter of fact I am calling for a smaller and more efficient government. I want the DoH to provide health services - real heath services for all. I want the DoD to provide defense for us and not spread democracy to Iraq - I could not care less about Iraq. I want an efficient, reasonable and effective policing organization without the overgrown, overstaffed, overbudgeted, self important and incompetent DHS. I want a modern efficient, technically competent society with a free market economy, leading education, health care and infrastructure. I want strict separation of church and state.You wish to further damage what the framers of the Constitution intended. I fully understand that I want absolute fredom of religion and expression. No you dont. You wish to use governement and your perverted church and state definition to further you belief as to how it should work I want us to be the leaders of the world again, we still are despite the shit those like you spread brecause we are falling behind on all fronts - military, financial and social. As long as out leaders have lobbyists for foreign powers as their closests adivsors (John McCains entire campaign leadership is - please check if you think I am wrong)as is Obamas for the most part. Just some of his are convicted criminals Reines comes to mind we are going to get nowhere. To a point we do agree here As long as our political leaders put their religion before state we will fail.Your opinion, not that of all of the US as you would like to see America is not a country of evangelical christians who earn m ore that $500,000 a year. We are a multi religious, multi cultural society.We are Americans first. Hyphinated titles are part of the PC bull shit that is tearing this country apart. Multi culturism is a destructive part of it This is what makes us rich, this is part of the success of this country. We are diverse, yes, but we are americans first If Sarah Palin believes in witchcraft and the conception of women from a man's rib, that is fine - as long as she does that in the privacy of her religious beliefs. Once she mixes her cult with national policy she automatically steps agains the basic pronciples of this contry. Call me brainwashed, or call me a carefull scion of our constitution. You are already working on the destruction of the Constitution. Roe v Wade is a perfect example. (Not the ruling per se but how it was derived. Dont preach to me. You have nothing on those that disagree with you. Same for me. But most of your premises listed above are very easily de-bunked and have. You just dont like it. So, here come da judge, here come da judge. Cause in reality, that is the only branch of government you have used to get your way Marc Rush sine you seem not to really understand the world you live in, in response to your blabbering let me ask you this questions: 1. When was the last time you purchased a U.S manufactured computer? 2. When was the lat time you purchased U.S. manufactured sneakers? 3. When was the last time you purchased a US brand name (not only manufactured but branded) TV set and when was the last time you had one that was made in the United States. 4. When was the last time you saw at toy made in this country? 5. Last but not least - should you lose your job and lose your medical benefits and by some chance have a car accident or just brake a leg skydiving, and after you get admitted to an emergency room and treated, tell me pray Marc Rush how fast will you loose your house because of the close to $100,000 medical bill that you will get? jraf Me Jungleman! Me have large Babalui. Muff #3275