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I didn't realize there was anything funny in that? waves a finger in front of skyyhi's face, waiting for her to start laughing -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

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Remember that you're falling much faster when doing backloops. Faster than a sitfly. Don't do them on a hop and pop. Have fun -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

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One of the standard answers is that "nice guys" are actually emotional mops, or are extremely unimaginative. They simply use the "nice guy" excuse to whine. I think that's kind of true. However, I also believe that what has been posted here before is true. It's no fun having something you want, it's a lot more fun not having it. A dirtbag will keep the girl busy, and the small amount of niceties he will do to her will get exagerated by his normal behaviour. This is exactly how vicious cycle relationships work. The girl does not notice a nice guy because he is always a nice guy. Some people would say that this is a bad quality in the nice guy. I say it's a bad quality in the girl. In my experience with myself and my friends, it's a little bit of part a, and a whole lot of part b. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

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I exited an airplane at 3,500 feet this Saturday. It was -17 on the ground -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

This argument only proves a point I've been making on some other threads. Amateurs should not attempt to make statements about technical fields, whether it be medicine or mathematics. They will inevitably get hopelessly confused. To anyone reading this thread: The probability of you dying does not increase with your jump numbers. As you skydive, the probability varies greatly because of a number of factors that are unrelated to the math. Still, it does not increase as you jump more. The law of averages has nothing to do with one particular individual, do not let the argument from the law of averages persuade you. I am a mathematician. Skylark is clearly not. Please, listen to experience and focus on the important factors that could kill you, and not the law of averages. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

You do realize you're talking to a professional mathematician, right? I was pointing out the differences between jumping 25,000 times and pulling the trigger 25,000 times since you did not make it explicit that the barrel is spun after every attempt in that post. This is an important assumption. What you did not understand is that I was pointing out how important this assumption is. I'm going to make one more attempt to explain to you why you are wrong. Since it doesn't look like you're interested in understanding why you're wrong, and are more interested in convincing me that you have found a way to disprove all of statistics, I have little hope of succeeding. I am going to analyze your version of Russian Roulette. First, I have to right this confusion of yours: This is true. However, it has no bearing on an individual skydiver. The law of averages says that if all the skydivers in the world were to make infinitely many jumps, then the ratio of DMals to total jumps would be 1/25,000. It makes a difference to an individual only if that individual is the only skydiver on the planet, and even then it doesn't really make very much difference, because he needs to make infinitely many jumps. The law of averages is really besides the point in Gambler's Fallacy, so I'm not going to spend any more time on it. I only repeat what I said, if you find yourself using it you are confused. Since I've been doing mathematics for years, I think you should listen. Now, since you insist on being mathematical, I am going to analyze the situation you describe formally. If it makes this more difficult to follow, so be it. Let A(n) = (24,999/25,000)^n. This is the probability of me staying alive after playing the next n times. As we can clearly see, A(n) -> 0 as n -> infinity, as you say. Let D(n) = 1 - A(n). This is the probability of me dying. Calculating this probability without using A(n) is annoying and will require summation, because the process terminates after one success, so I'm not going to do it. It would be a good exercise in simple statistics, so I encourage you to work it out on your own. Proof of you being wrong: The probability of me dying within 25,000 attempts is D(25,000) = 1 - A(25,000) = 1 - (24,999/25,000)^25,000 =/= 1. QED. Notice that it's pretty close to 1, but regardless it is not equal 1. Yes, believe it or not, the proof is this simple. Explanation of why you are wrong: You do not understand the process. D(n) is the probability of me dying with the next n attempts. Read this sentence very very carefully, and think very carefully about the word "next" and what it means. I will illustrate for the third time, this time with this formalism. Example: I am playing this Russian Roulette. I pick up the gun, put it to my forehead and fire. I do not die. What is the probability now of me dying by my 25,000th attempt? What is the probability of me dying by my 25,001st attempt? What if I make 1000 attempts? What is the probability of me dying by my 25,000th attempt? On what attempt is my probability of death equal to D(25,000)? Answer: After one attempt - D(24,999). D(25,000). After 1000 attempts - D(25,000 - 1000) = D(24,000). 25,000 + 1000 = 26,000. Think very hard on the answers to these questions, then go back and read all of my explanations. If you still do not understand, go back and read it again. Accept that you did not just disprove the entire body of human knowledge, and as soon as you realize this, the faster you will understand this fallacy. If after all this you will still insist on being right, then I have nothing further to say. I cannot make this fallacy any clearer for you. I've led you to the water three times now. It's up to you to drink it -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

If you spin the barrel each time, then yes, this is similar to skydiving. All of these results are isomorphic, of course, since it doesn't matter what the process is, only the numbers make any difference. If you do not spin the barrel, then of course it is nothing like skydiving. And I agree with the second paragraph as well. Skydives are dependent events in the sense that your skill grows as you gain jumps. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

You do not buy skydiving gear that is guaranteed to fail within 25,000 jumps. When you insert a bullet in a 25,000 chambered gun, you are guaranteed one live fire in those 25,000 shots. If you spin the barrel before every attempt, you are in the same scenario I described in my previous post in this thread. Read it carefully, it should make everything clear. You do not have a probability of 1 of dying in the next 25,000 jumps. You do have a probability of 1 of dying in your next 25,000 shots from that gun. These are not the same processes, you cannot compare them! I am a student of pure mathematics, and I do research in mathematics. Go to my previous post in this thread, it should make it clear. If you still don't understand, the fallacy you are stuck on is called Gambler's Fallacy, and you should be able to find further explanations in any good book on introductory statistics. Trust me, you are wrong! Don't try to convince people that you're right, try to understand why you're wrong. Understand that (24,999/25,000)^25,000 is the probability of you dying in your next 25,000 jumps. When I make one jump, this probability now describes the chance of me dying in my next 25,000 jumps, that is, dying by jump 25,001. Another thing. Stop talking about the law of averages, you are confusing yourself. The law of averages says what happens in a group. You are talking about individuals. The law of averages says absolutely nothing about individuals. If you find yourself using the law of averages to explain anything about this fallacy, you are confused! -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you.

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