mrshutter45

Is it possible that Robert Blevins posted something that wasn't "adequate" to be honest I didn't bother with it. most of his postings are like Jo's, they tend to cause my Insomnia to cease... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Both you and Robert99 are missing the main point I've been trying to make here all along. I'm not saying the Amboy chute was Cooper's. I'm saying the Seattle FBI's investigation into it, and the results they released, are not adequate. You two are either very gullible, or you have another agenda that requires the Amboy chute to be Non-Cooper. Blevins, Would you please explain your law enforcement training and background that qualifies you to tell the FBI that they don't know what they are doing. The FBI has already stated that the Amboy chute is not relevant. End of story. Your agenda has no need of the Amboy chute either, but you can always use the thread space to give the impression that you are, as you have claimed elsewhere, a "leading Cooper researcher". Robert99 a 34 foot cargo chute is not enough, or "adequate" he is basically calling Cossey a liar. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Actually, it explains very little. How do you know it was silk and 34' feet across? Because Cossey says so? He also said in some of those same articles about the Amboy chute that he owned the chute Cooper jumped with...and we already know that wasn't true. They belonged to Hayden. Did the FBI verify anything except the silk claim? No. Does the idea of silk v nylon make sense, considering the lack of rot in the pictures shown of the chute by the FBI? Again, no. Did Cossey say the container and harness were cut away? No. In fact, no one has. And ask yourself why someone would go to the trouble to bury a cargo chute out near Amboy anyway. Both you and Robert99 are missing the main point I've been trying to make here all along. I'm not saying the Amboy chute was Cooper's. I'm saying the Seattle FBI's investigation into it, and the results they released, are not adequate. Aren't you the least bit interested in knowing for sure whether Cossey was right? Brother, I am...because I haven't seen anything from the Seattle FBI on it that makes sense. Silk...what a load of garbage. If that thing had been buried in the ground for any number of years it should have been nothing but a bunch of tatters connected to some paracord. And why is the Seattle FBI so reticent to let anyone have a look at it besides Cossey? You two are either very gullible, or you have another agenda that requires the Amboy chute to be Non-Cooper. "You two are either very gullible, or you have another agenda that requires the Amboy chute to be Non-Cooper." Robert, that sounds just like Jo. Congratulations!! (champagne opens, crowd goes wild) why is Gods name would they hide this from the public. do you realize what it really takes to start a conspiracy? especially if it's public related. why don't you call your buddy in the FBI and try and get this resolved. you realize the FBI no longer believes the original jump site right? so your theory of the Amboy chute is vaporizing. it's actually closer to Aerial than Amboy. must be more of the cover up. since the chute is no longer considered evidence, you might be able to get it. don't quote me on this, but the original owners could also ask for it back. stop the whining and do something about it. you live right there buddy....handle it! Cossey could be wrong on things in the past, I don't know if he was hogging the control or claiming fame. if he looked at the chute and obviously measured it. I'm going to listen to a licensed, well qualified person respected by thousands before I take your word. just by looking at the chute on video it looks like the lines are much larger than a personal chute, it appears to be larger in size as well. this also matches what would be used in a cargo chute. you don't have any idea how long it's been there. 5 years prior, 10? do you know that answer? I'm sure plenty of training exercises have happened over the years. fire fighting, military etc. lot's of reasons before one cries out conspiracy. that's exactly what you are trying to prove. I believe you claimed many times you don't believe in them....who is the gullible one again? you would think if Cooper really made it to the ground. I think he would take the harness off as well if he was to bury anything. it's not going to fool anyone leaving it away from the chute. I need hard evidence for a conspiracy, not reports made by Journalist or error's in reporting....thank you. did Hayden claim ownership of the dummy chute, or the other reserve chute with Cossey's name on it? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

kinda of answered the question I asked about someone speaking for him. plus she is not sure he was the one doing the testing. so, one eyebrow is raised on this one....thanks for the info. seems like the bomb just went poof..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have problems with this story Jo. according to what I have found on Stanley he was retired by 1970. he started with Boeing in 1953. From there he transferred to flight crew training, where he traveled the world training crews for such airlines as Ethiopian Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, El Al, All Nippon Airways, Avianca, Iran Air, and Japan Air Lines, and a host of others domestic and foreign. He also certified the flight engineers of Mohmar Khadafi's personal jet and met people like the emperor Hali Salasi of Ethiopia, Moshe Dayan, and Mrs. General Yamamoto of the Royal Japanese Navy, who was the Gilliam family landlady in Tokyo, Japan in 1964. Upon his retirement he returned to his original aviation roots, operating out of Thun Field in a variety of capacities, serving the Airport Pilots' Association, the executive board hosting the large public open houses at Thun in the mid 1980s, and the Pierce County Task Force for runway realignment. He was also instrumental in the design, construction and installation of the new wind T. He hangared his 1947 Stinson taildraggger at Thun, logging countless hours in the air, often with grandchildren in the right seat, and countless more at the Hangar Inn. From 1970-1984 he majored in Grandpa and collected grandbabies, happily receiving the births of all seven who never failed to delight him. how much of this information was known in 1971? nothing is mentioned about his testing of the stairs except that one site. how much validation can you put into this. doesn't make sense for an engineer to say someone could fit thru an 18" gap trying to jump out the back. he should know the stairs would drop once you got on them. it almost sounds like someone is speaking for him. was this knowledge made before his death in 2004? with all his travels, how did Duane's brother know him? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

But let's see......what the hell do they know?? LOL.....Dang, you keep making my point for me. Thanks! and double dang...they no longer believe he jumped in that area!!!!!! this will be in my latest book "Into The Garbage" (laughs) (Roll eyes) (smile) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, is Cossey lying again here, or is Bruce? I spoke with Coss shortly after the announcement, and he told me that the parachute found in Amboy was not from Flight 305 as it was too large at 34-feet in diameter, and that it was a cargo chute. Further, he said that the canopy was made with silk and not the nylon which comprised Cooper’s canopy. He also said it was a WWII vintage parachute. kinda explains no harness.....but hey....it's not true anyway...right? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

5'8" and bald is not on the description of Cooper....you have a lot of work to do...don't ya (roll eyes) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what proof of this do you have Jo. any documents to back this "bomb" up. it's only a bomb if you can prove it..... if you are talking about the video showing the cargo and parachute's out the back of a 727. that was done over sea's and without the stairs!!! just found this..... My maternal grandfather Stanley O. Gilliam was a flight engineer for Boeing at the advent of commercial flight. He wrote portions of manuals still in use today. He served on test crews for the 707, 727, 737, and 747. When planes were purchased his crew would deliver the planes and stay to train foreign pilots. He met Moammar Gadhafi, who often tipped the Boeing crews with large amounts of cash, with which Grandpa paid off the mortgage on his downtown Puyallup home. He rented a house in Tokyo from Isoroku Yamamoto’s widow. Yamamoto was commander-in-chief and responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor, the fabled source of the quote, “I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant.” Because of Grandma Eunice’s hoarding we have documentation of these implausible stories – flight logs, expense reports, even the rental agreement with Mrs. Yamamoto. Grandpa Stan gave us no reason to doubt him. He also taught each one of us to drive and always begin with a “pre-flight” check of the mirror positions. I loved my Grandpa. http://formersuburbanmom.com/2012/04/23/d-b-cooper-and-the-aft-staircase/ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, please explain how you can continue to carry on about the chute being wrong, descriptions being wrong, most of the other suspects being wrong, but the fly path moving a couple miles is ridiculous, crazy, or as you say "blindly" not plausible? where is the facts of Robert99 blindly looking into this. is because he knows nothing about flight paths, aviation, engineering etc. please explain all the data you have showing the flight path is 100% correct. I need this information and you seem to be the "go to guy" for such information. who needs to call Rataczak when have have an expert on the thread??? I could also use your brain on how far off the SAGE radar can be in certain area's, or blind spots. I'm sure this is all trivial to you, but I need the info please? Thanks. if not mistaken the Amboy chute was 32+ feet in diameter and the lines are much larger than a personal chute??? this is from the Mountain news I spoke with Coss shortly after the announcement, and he told me that the parachute found in Amboy was not from Flight 305 as it was too large at 34-feet in diameter, and that it was a cargo chute. Further, he said that the canopy was made with silk and not the nylon which comprised Cooper’s canopy. He also said it was a WWII vintage parachute. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Impacting the ground at 180+ MPH will not necessarily do any damage to the bills. If Cooper landed on top of the money bag, it would definitely be flattened but would expand somewhat after his weight was off it. And assuming that the money bag was tied to his stomach and he landed on one side or on his back, there should not be any damage, except possibly some detritus, human or otherwise. So basically, minimal or no damage to the bills from the impact itself. Robert99 my thoughts are how the shape of them would be after impact. pending on how tight they put the rubber bands around the stacks. did they double, triple the banding, or were they sort of loose in the stacks. I guess a picture of the bills before they went on the plane would be pretty handy right now. I guess the question would be is how much could the bills shift while banded? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Quote So, your use of the term "torque" IS intended to imply force(s) being applied from a particular direction .. resulting in rotation. (Why didnt you just say that, in the first place?) Direction would then be equivalent to, or indicate, direction of travel. IE the direction from which the money came ... as evidenced by 'the spin of the money on some axis'. Let's assume Tom's 3 bills he had to analyse are the 3 topmost bills from the bundles ... something we have no way of knowing. Let's further assume the bills were fresh and free to slide relative to each other ... noting the fanned out nature of individual bills in Tom's graphic. This may assume the bills are free to move and not stuck to each other ... so this is happening in 1971? Direction of force (torque) implies direction of travel? See photos attached. You claim there was a force from above and behind the money location? What force would that be? Rain .. melt water? You claim the money was headed toward the river but had never been "in" the river. What direction are you talking about and from where? Does it come across the Fazio property or does it arrive parallel with the beach length but above the river proper? Perhaps along the road between the river and below the Fazio property further behind? During high water (flood) or more slowly over a longer period? Just three bundles of money only? Ps: Now my feeling is R99, you have this worked out to a fairly hgh level of accuracy ... right down to precise elevation above the river yet below the Fazio property behind ... perhaps at the elevation of the roadway between the river and the Fazio property behind which winds in and through those bushes just behind where the money was found ... and since 'elevation' is commensurate with recorded river elevations by year ... I would not be surprised if you had this worked out to the exact year you think this money arrived, experiencing the exact force vector you think applies as shown and evidenced by Tom's slide on the rotation of the uppermost bills!? Yes or No ? Give us the year? I'm guessing Dec 1979 into January 1980 ? In synch with Palmer's theory? If not 1979 then my next guess is 1972 ... or lastly 1976? Nice theory as theories go. And the "force mechanism" you are relying on is: . . . . . ? I have marked the roadway on my graphic now. Furthermore, I speculate you think you know the exact angular placement of the money bundles, as viewed from above, as Ingram found it ... given that you have established a force vector involved? Yes? Torque is defined as a force that tends to cause rotation (that is the desk dictionary definition). To cause the rotation in "free body" systems, the force must be offset from the center of mass of the object by some finite distance. Consequently, the units of torque are foot-pounds (in the English system). Common examples of the application of torque can be found in the use of a screw driver, the tightening of lug nuts on an automobile wheel, opening a door by use of a door knob, and adjusting the angular rotation and vertical rotation of a telescope. And for my edification, why am I having to explain torque to an astronomer? A careful examination of the bills shown on Tom Kaye's web page shows that the bills were restrained on the left end of the packet. Apparently, the rubber band that originally held the packet together had slipped to within an inch or so of the left end but continued to hold the fragments from other bills even as the portions on the right end of the packet separated. The obvious conclusion from this is that the left end of the packet had grounded, or been restrained in some manner, while the right end of the packet was less restrained and the bills could move counterclockwise with respect to the left end. In the passing of time, the right ends of some of the bills completely separated. It is premature to speculate on ever movement of the bills from the time they separated from Cooper until they reached the location where they were found. But this remains an active matter of interest. The General Energy Equation, which applies to all physical phenomena, at least in the vicinity of the earth, is the governing equation. I assume you are familiar with this equation. If not, exactly where did you go to school? The matter of the time that the money arrived at the location where it was found is also an ongoing matter of interest. But as you have known for several years, locating the Columbia River water level records for the pre-1974 time frame has not been successful. That is, unless you found them and didn't pass the word along. But efforts continue to be made to develop more information on Cooper's exact splatter point and how all of the above matters fit together. In the meantime, keep the faith and stay tuned. Robert99 one has to wonder what the condition of the bills would be on a hard impact (terminal velocity) you would think something would happen to them with a sudden top, or forward motion?? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks for the info. I'm doing some testing today, I'll fly in her colors as a tribute "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I believe that sketches can be wrong, but don't think this could be in every case or they wouldn't continue to have them. the odds are probably low of the sketch of Cooper being anywhere close to a real picture or mugshot......or could it? I'm not saying that Cooper's sketch is this close, but it does make one wonder...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yeah, mine too. Apparently, her's too. Robert seems to think she looked more like 5'5''. Hey - why not change TIna's height - why should she be immune to making up shit as we go along? would could start calling her Tena Mucklow "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it's my understanding that Tina was 5'8".......... a post from Farf...2009 The Cooper 'bar of expertise.' Cooper is a veteran, jump trained, pilot and bomb maker because he jumped out of a plane and used flaps and opened a briefcase. OK then, I must be a plumber since I used a toilet today and a mechanic since driving a car and computer maker after displaying a laptop. Perhaps the hallowed halls were such expertise is awarded should consider accreditation. Is there evidence that Cooper was anything more than lucky? However I am willing to credit him with the ability to smoke where his drinking had noob written all over. Re-enter the Purser. He looks like Cooper, great; now ask Tina. He worked for Northwest, ah-ha, yes, of course, why didn't we see it? Because is was never a serious parameter before and little more than a coincidence now. He was a mechanic too, on airplanes!! That fits perfectly with Cooper performing a phase inspection of the fuselage. He went through jump training in the army. Again, as this was not a requirement to be Cooper, I don't see the value beyond coincidence. Christiansen did NOT smoke Raleigh's. Did NOT drink bourbon exclusively. Did NOT speak about bombs, air stairs or hijackings. Was NOT tall or heavy enough, dark enough, skin and eyes. But he sure looked like that black and white drawing from Mucklow's description except for those other things, he is a 95% match. In fact the D in Cooper's name is Dorian as he keeps getting younger with each investigation. The pre-requisites to be Cooper should include not being seen since 1971 for starters. Why have all of the suspects decided to hang around and live such pedestrian lives with such dark and sinister pasts? Dan Coopers or Walter Mittys? If it was a relative I suspected, I would want them investigated as quietly as possible followed by relief after having done my civic duty. I don't see myself insisting an uncle, dead or alive, as having to be some criminal. As Hunter S Thompson said before deciding he had enough; "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Cooper has been imitated many times, has been a pilot, has been jump trained, has been a Northwest employee and has been a transsexual. For all of this and more, Cooper has never been boring. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it's not the end of the world Jo, I just think this would give you some validation to this. keep looking, but don't get all bent out shape looking..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

not much, but it's a start...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

1. The ankle boots or shoes came from this thread or from Tina or the FBI. 2. DAMN RIGHT I remember giving stuff away. I am the one who had to go thru the closet and put each item in a box. Deciding if I wanted to keep this or that as a momento. OBVIOUSLY U never had to dispose of THINGS after someone close to you died! That was a VERY INSENSITIVE thing to say. 3. THE DATE was established by the temperatues and the Englebert concerts in Tahoe. if you can't explain where the reference came from or explain where it came from it brings it back to a "opinion" when I state things to people I show a link or document to help back up what I'm saying. you now have to claim the dates in Washington by temperatures, or a Humperdinky concert? how do you suppose the FBI would look at this? nothing INSENSITIVE was said Jo. I have had plenty of deaths in my time to deal with. I'm in my 50's Jo. I have seen what cancer can do to a body. I know what it looks like to see someone killed at close range. this has nothing to do with the changes in your story Jo. when you put a story out for this many years you can expect someone is going to look into what you are claiming. I'm saying that this does not add up to what you are claiming or saying. so, you can either prove this to be incorrect, or simply ignore the allegations. very simple. until I see further proof. I am calling the trip in 79 into question. do you expect me to believe you were there by word, or documentation? it shouldn't be that hard to prove Jo? and no reason to get upset with this either Jo. if the FBI was to call you in next week, don't you think they will want to see dates, times and documentation of things you say are facts? you going to have to do a littler better than temperatures and concerts to prove your case...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Either he's D.B. Cooper, or it's the biggest set of coincidences in history" this seems to be the case with just about every Cooper candidate. you all have similar stories revolving around the jump, description etc. but fail to put him on the plane or give a history of exactly where the candidate was on November 24, 1971. camping in the area is a stretch because nobody has ever proven this to be the exact jump area, or the planned jump area. we think Cooper jumped at 8:13 or 8:10 as the transcripts read. Rataczak claims he jumped 10-15 minutes after the last contact with Cooper at 8:05. this gives a time frame of 8:15 to 8:20...the plane is over Portland at this time frame of 8:20. camp KC is getting further away from the drop zone. you want to talk about coincidences, Vicki's father is loaded with them. she isn't on here everyday pushing the fact of these coincidences making here father Cooper though..... so I would say all candidates are either Cooper or a bunch of coincidences..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well, I'm sorry Jo, but these are things you stated years ago and don't add up to what you are claiming now. what you "were told" is not necessarily truth or fact. lot's of people say lot's of things. the bottom line seems to be that in 2008 you claim you didn't go to or around Tena Bar. tired, upset etc. doesn't excuse it either. you need to show me where Tina or anyone else claims the shoes Cooper had on were ankle type boots that zip on the side. if you don't have this information, I can also mark this as a "opinion" or just what you see fit since Duane wore this type of shoe. you need some proof Jo. I am willing to change my thoughts on the shoes if you can prove this. I'm sorry Jo, but I find it hard to believe you can remember someone throwing something away, but fail to give proper dates and times? what is this, 17 plus years remembering a trash incident of zero value for that many years before you knew who Dan Cooper was? Sept. 3, 2009 you say once again Duane was not on Tena Bar..... 2011: Duane and I made 4 stops . One East of Winterly Park (he opened the trunk and went down to the water and told me to stay in the car) he opened the trunk before and after...this is where the track where. The second stop was at that big Green tank along the river West of Winterly (but I got out of the car at the green tank with its little dock). Duane told me what the tank was for, but I forgot. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, you seem to want to change Cooper's appearance based on how people view crimes, or using stress and fear to build your case. if you are not educated in the area you will see most of your conclusion are incorrect. Ckert explains this: "Folly of physical description." I don't recall who brought this up but I do recall the post. The work that has been conducted on eye witness identification has focused from the traditional aspect of violent crime. A fleeting encounter with a subject who is committing a crime that last less than a minute. For example, a typical bank robbery (my area of focus) lasts 20 seconds or less. The robber approaches, passes his demand note to the teller, the teller reads, complies and the robber runs out of the bank. In this situation the tellers get the description wrong most of the time. Not absolutely wrong, but wrong enough that sometimes I can't find on the video the person they described. The Cooper case was nothing like this. Every person who had contact with Cooper described him consistently. The two individuals who had the most contact with him were separated for the flight, so they had little chance to get together and discuss Cooper. Schaffner got off the plane in Seattle, Mucklow in Reno, both were interviewed that night and gave consistent descriptions. They described the situation as calm and Cooper as calm, quiet and polite. In fact, Tina described joking with Cooper towards the end of the flight and Schaffner described him as child like. In other words no trauma that would taint the description. Nothing in this investigation points to dismissing the witnesses descriptions to the point that males who don't fall within their description should be considered. Thats not to say that they aren't documented. now, some of the witnesses only saw him briefly and didn't have a clue what he was doing. so, they might have different views of what they recall. Tina was with him for hours, not seconds or in passing. if we are to continue this description being wrong, then we can say Cooper was between 150 lbs to 250, brown, hazel, blue eyes. 5'5" to 6'5" medium to muscular build. blue, brown or black rain coat, jacket, overcoat. dark skinned, olive tone, possibly at the beach in previous days. 30 to 55 years old. Tina who is 5'8" had to look up at him, but also could have been looking straight at him since she was so scared? where does it end? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I was upset they wanted me to pretend to get down to push sand away - and I had yet to comfirm it was the same spot - I knew the entrance was right and the house was right and the trees right. I wanted to see what other properties were near there. They had taken me into the property for an angle I did not arrive by in 1979 with Duane Weber. This was later resolved by Himmelsbach and myself sitting in the back of the car the crew provided when I mention the industrial building and Mr. H. pointed to the other road. When I knew the direction I was then certain of the area and the location. I was telling my reactions to the pressure of the crew - they didn't let me think...there was too much going on. I was adamant at the time of the viewing, but later after digesting the other places they quickly zipped thur and able to think I knew it was the right place. ***Jo Stated: July 3, 2008 OK. Duane went NO WHERE near Tena's bar. The closest we got was the Red Lion Inn at the bridge. I have already explain this as the rest of the post let me know what and why that statement was made. I was being given a hard time by Georger and others. When you put the entire post up and the ones before and after - you can clearly see that was a statement taken out of context per the rest of the posting before and after and in that same post. I do this in conversation and I try to write as I think and speak. It may be out of context and impulsive which makes me really hard to follow. I am all over the place - my mind is jumping from the present to the past and everywhere in between and then hit on things the listen or ready feels totally irrelevant. I interject things of no value to the subject at hand - because I am afraid I will forget it, if I don't say it then. Shutter asked: Jo States: I was uncertain exactly the dates, but a young man pulled the weather reports and this thread also pulled some information that help to tie down the time line of the trip to WA in 1979. When we left Ft. Collins I wore shorts to Salt Lake and I have pictures of myself in those shorts in Salt Lake. Note the flowers blooming in the pic I took of the man Duane instructed me to make. I do NOT care to post a pics of myself on the thread. Now when I look at those shorts - I wonder why I ever wore them. It was a tacky outfit. I knew it was warm on that day and the next day was cooler...so I wore my jeans and threw the short in the back seat encase it got warmer. Duane assured me it was only going to get cooler and it did. When we left WA several days later we went to TAHOE and while there attended a performance by Englebert. By using that criterior one young man was able to to figure out it was the last week of Sept and the thread tied down the Englebert appearance in Tahoe. So from the weather is was assumed it was the last wk of Sept. and of course I know the yr was 1979. Some times I get so frustrated I come off as totally irrational. This thread has taken its toll on me. I had never dealt with having to take some of the garbage that was thrown at me. I didn't know how to compose things off line and then post them. So my postings were made on a spare of the moment and I didn't go back and read what I had said. My posting would reflect my anger and sadness and frustration and often I had put in a full day doing other thing. If you will note the times on the posting - remember it was 2 hour later here than it was for the people I would be talking to. Midnight in WA is 2AM here. So on those evening they went on to 2 and 3 AM their time it was 4 and 5 AM here. Jo, upset or not you said twice in one post that it was not the area Duane took you. these are perfect examples of why you have so much trouble validating your story. you claim it's possible it's on your tax forms. the dates will be included. you seem to always have times and dates of things...except the trip? what someone told you can not be used as proof unless they back the statement up. so, when you state someone told you boots, you need the person in question to come forward with this proof. how long where you with the film crew. was it days or hours? you said you have negatives of the pictures. there might be a date on the negative. the tax records would have to have dates. I don't see how it would not be on the tax forms since it was considered a business trip!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, the FBI has more credibility than you do. I can also use your statement as a "opinion" where in the FBI description for Cooper does it claim boots? "I was told - ankle shoes or boots." I can't believe anyone remotely claiming Cooper had boots on!!! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"THis should have been addressed and clarified by the FBI in their examination of the witnesses." Ckret posted this in the previous thread: "Mucklow spent hours with him and described his shoes in detail (something a woman might notice) even down to the grain of the leather. She was certain to state they were slip on's. There is nothing in the investigation that points to Mucklow not being reliable in her statement so I give it weight. Of course that is different than actual fact but I do believe Cooper had slip ons." not a bad statement from a person who looks like a "deer caught in the headlights" terrified etc. etc. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI