DanJohnson

***He may couch it in "political" discussion, but really, the OP is just a hater of Jews. Really? Some of my best freinds and the man who gave me my big break are Jews. I have no problem with Jews. It's the zionists .

Those who bought in at the peak in 1980 died before they broke even. Pity to be them. Tell me kelpdiver, Considering this metals relative worthlesness for creating pottery,plowshares or weaponry, why do you think ancient cultures around the globe started collecting gold?

So, umm, honest question. Do you think up this made up history beforehand, or do you just make it up as you go along? Being such an expert, surely you know that the word Palestine is actually derived from the Greek Palaestina. Of course, you also know that it was a largely geographical term. And obviously you are aware that JEWS and ARABS were BOTH called Palestinians during the British Mandate. Only after the establishment of Israel did the local Arab population decide to lay exclusive claim to the term Palestinian. But you already knew all of that... Quote I've always known that the people who lived in Palestine were Palestinian. The creation of the 51st state of Israel is what caused the problems. OK .., I'm wrong about that !!! It was the Jews bombing the British in Palestine (coining the word terrorist )that started the problems. One thing is for sure.., if every Jew who didn't hold title to any parcel of land in Palestine prior to 1940 left today we could have one hell of a peace party! I bet Bono would play "gratis"! "Gratis" that means "free of charge" for you Mexican haters.

*** Drunk driving fatalities accounted for 32% of all traffic deaths last year,Quote So you are telling me that 68% of all crashes resulting in fatalities were caused by other than alchohol. Where is the outrage and the mothers against eating in cars? Where is the outrage against putting on makeup in cars? Why is dui singled out as a crime? The crime should be "causing an accident" as clearly the vast majority of traffic deaths are caused by crashes other than alchohol related. My sister was offed by some joker who just couldn't wait to get home before he dug into his Wendys' meal. Thank God he wasn't drunk!!!!

I could but then I'd have to kill you and who wants to live the rest of their existence on this forum with the stigma of the guy who killed our fuzzy wuzzy Nanook?

*** That is a negative ghostrider. You have no idea what I pay monthly and the kind of service I receive from my private insurer. It's highly unlikely that the Federal government could provide me the same coverage and level of service for the price I pay now. Look, No one is suggesting that you couldn't keep the coverage you have right now with your current provider. The suggestion on the table is that all Americans have access to health care. Do you support that ideal? I bet you do ! I'll bet that if you were crusin down the road and came upon a fellow human who had been badly beaten you'ld load him in your car and take him to the hospital. Wouldn't you?

***]Nope. The cost of wars caused our issues, not the wars were an instrument to put other countries into debt. That's pretty weird thinking. Quote As usual you are talking in gibberish. As foreign policy we entrap countries in debt so that we can dictate the terms of the removal of their natural resources, If they don't accept those terms we send in those wild eyed patriotic chumps of our military to enforce the contract.

Relax ! Go get a drink of water. So what are you worried about? That China won't get theirs? That we won't pay the banksters who rigged the system from the get go? No really , sit down. Get another drink of water. China and all other foreign creditors are gonna' get their interest. The banksters are gonna get their cash to. The only ones who will get hosed are those expecting a certain level of Social Security payments. You paid in and you are presently one of the biggest deficits on the gov't accounting sheet. You are fucked!! Your promised payout is about to go toward the deficit. Sorry. I didn't do it. Have a drink of water. Relax

*** Don't confuse political control with military capability. The two are closely related. Our "political control" has to do with enslaving other countries with debt. When they realize they have been hoodwinked and refuse that control is when it's time to send in the military.

***That sounds like a more logical explanation to the vague and ambiguous drivel most people tout when trying to pass claim to ultimate knowledge... Have you got any links for that type of information please?Quote Dude! Do you know how to search? If so research! If I pull you by the nose hairs to the well would you be ready to drink? And never rely on me to provide you with credible information. Do your own research and know the truth. Sometimes I just like to play around on the web and fuck with the webbites !

Gold is always a wise investment. The trick is to invest when the prices are fair. Nanooks, "you better hope the economy never recovers" is a bit dramatic. The fact is that the Federal Reserve Notes we call dollars are worth absolutely nothing if no one wants them and considering our militarys' poor showing in Afghanistan and Iraq not too many countries are going to be cowed down to our military non- threat. I expect Hugo Chavez to be the first head of state to expose the dollar as the charade that it is.

You know , I can sympathize with you and I have empathy for your losses but, Should we really lock up every drunk driver? It's not the drunk driver that kills it is the driver who crashes that kills. How many drivers cause a wreck everyday because they're putting on their make up or chowin' on a Big Mac? Drinking and driving isn't a problem and shouldn't be a crime (although it is a great way to boost revenue for local and state gov't) . Crashing should be the crime!! Driving drunk isn't hurting anyone. Crashing may and it doesn't matter if the crasher was drunk or simply reading the paper,applying make up ,or perhaps driving after 30 hours without sleep. The crash is the cause of any injury. Blood/ Alchohol content has no revelence.

***Was it your intention to deceive when you asserted that Israel was created on Palestinian turf? You were very wrong on that basic assertion from your original post of this thread. Should we be "anti-you", or give you a pass for being wrong and glad that you have learned something fundamental to the issue you have raised? Israel was established on Palestinian turf. There is a reason the land has been referred to as Palestine over all these centuries and the inhabitants referred to as Palestinian ,Sherlock! Noodle it out if you can.

OK Jaybird, I've tired of this thread. I'm going "nookular". Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems? Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling? Should I? Should I petition God to send rain over my garden? Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin? Should I? Because I can't help but think that he already knows of these problems. If I pray will he come to my aid fasdterthan he came to the aid of those who perished in the last tsunami? Is he listening? And even if he is listening is he paying attention? And is it rude for me to even ask??? Look.., Your God, this Supreme Being has a *master plan* does he not? Who are we to petition Him in prayer and asking Him to Change His plan? Seems to me there is never reason to pray unless you have a better plan than God. Oh yeah, .., .., one more thing.., God spoke to me the other day .., He said, "Dan, see what you can do to stop these a-holes from congregating and petitioning me every frickin' Sunday !!!" " It's my day off"

***there is a power greater than the banks...politicians Quote LOL! You have it backwards. The banksters have the money, thus the power. They have the leverage to place people in the position to be elected. When they place both a Democrat and a Republican in position to be elected they can't lose. You are a mouse. Do your civic duty and vote for one of these two cats.

Ok you didn't ask so I'm just gonna add part 2 how you have been duped, hoodwinked and made into the banksters' bitch. Credit Default Swaps. If you'll remember the Banksters are the ones that pushed for the policy requiring themselves to make loans which they had a pretty good certainty would go into default. They made the loans, bundled those mortgages,over and over into mortgage backed securities(those *toxic assets*) and sold them off to unwary investment firms. Now comes the " Credit Default Swaps" A Credit Default Swap is a gambling mechanism. The purchaser of the CDS is betting that the mortgage will go into default. So these same banksters who pushed the policy and then made the loans they knew would fail also bet that they would fail. No Bil Von .., It aint the people who defaulted on the loans .That was the plan all along .., they didn't get rich. It was the criminal banksters. The ones who own this country. They put the screws to you and me and most everyone reading this forum tonight. They did it with the help of those they set up to be elected to Congress. You aren't aware of this ? You seem to be a pretty bright guy! Have you simply let your guard down and never realized you were being made into a bitch, or were you fully aware? Maybe you are in cahoots with them ?

***Did I say they weren't? call it semantics but when people say anti semitism, the meaning is anti jews usually.Quote You were the one that brought anti semite into the discusion of anti zionism. Did you mean anti Jew? If so why didn't you say anti Jew? It's because you wanted to paint anti zionists as anti Jew . I'm not anti Jew but I'm finished with any discussion with one faoxrori . I'm not anti Jew but I am anti liars, anti decievers so in turn I'm anti you !

***I don't know man.....the system in the US may be broken for good. But what choice do you really have? Peaceful revolution. End the Federal Reserve, ditch any debt the old govenment held and start over with money which has value rather than money which represents debt.

Obviously you have been hoodwinked, duped ,and generally just been made a chump and the banksters bitch! Here is how it worked. Wealthy bankers conspired to make law requiring that they lend to unqualified buyers. No problem they own Congress and the country. The policy passed. Next they made a new *investment commodity* the Mortgage Backed Security. Basicly a MBS is a bundle of mortgages which a big investor can purchase. Thing is the banksters are very naughty men!!! They decided to put the same mortgages in several diferent bundles a hundred thousand times and more. Basicly they sold the same mortgages to many different investors. Clear fraud. When the big investment houses got wise the US Gov't stepped up to the plate and put out enough of your hard earned money to buy back these "toxic securities". The bailout waqs actually a buy back to hide the criminality of the banksters. Now, Would you like for me to explain Credit Default Swaps?

Hear se !

>I want my $15k... Everyone does. Which is why we are many trillions in the hole. Actually besides the price of the unnecesary wars , the majority of our debt comes from the trillions we've spent buying back those fraudulent mortgage backed securities that the banksters sold to unwary investors. When our bankers were caught in their criminal actions the politicians took the average Joe's cash to hush up those upon whom the fraud was perpetrated inorder to avoid criminal proceedings against their banker buddies and to protect their own investments. That is why we are trillions in debt, not because the people would each like 15 G.

So are anti semites... Oh!!! Now we see some colors. Anti zionist you want to paint as anti semite. Let me tell you somethin' pal, the indigenous Palestinian population is nearly 100% Semetic. The zionist Israelis aren't even close to that number. The vast majority are from a blood line that never even lived in Palestine but originated in Turkey . They come from Christian Turks who converted to Judaism. So is your blood Semitic ? Or are you crashin' the party? Christians , Jews, and Muslims got along very peacefully in Palestine before the 51st state of Israel was established .Since then not so much. That factoid in itself should be nearly enough to cause most thinking people to swing toward anti zionism.

***Actually, it's not. The finer details you could argue over, but there's no doubt whatsoever that they truly believed a guy named Christ was crucified and rose from the dead. Quote People are duped into believing absurd things all the time. Many are so fooled that they will willingly place their life on the line for their false belief. One example is all the dead and maimed for life US soldiers who fell for the "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction"lie.

*** After having lived in Switzerland for a year, I can tell you with certainty that anti-Zionism is widespread in that country, as it is in most of Europe -- even in places as remote as Iceland. I recall sharing my views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in many a political discussion with Swiss friends, and things suddenly going quiet or the subject changing. They hear only what they want to hear in regard to this subject -- the Palestinian side of the story. I believe that most informed, critical thinking people are anti-zionists . Then there is the Fox news watching crowd.

I seem to remember during the Reagan years a push to stop teaching sex ed and teaching abstinence instead.