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Everything posted by jaybird18c
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Thank you for your opinion.
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Who is "they?"
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I was being sarcastic.
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So you must be "their" Group Leader. I'll start showing more respect! And thank you for allowing me to "keep on keeping on." I appreciate that!
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Yes! It is in fact referencing a legal standing! And you are correct! It is NOT the defendant's call to make! It's the Judge's call! If the word "saved" sound weird to you, I'll start using terms like "Propitiation," "Justification," Sanctification," etc.
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Here's what I see here. Your reference to "us" in your comments. As if it's me against the group. Maybe you think you speak for everybody? I have an opinion just like everybody else here. I post that opinion just like everybody else here. I don't mean to disturb "the collective," if that's what it is. Heck, or maybe I do. That's what anyone risks when they're in a discussion. That someone or even lots of people might disagree and say they're wrong. That's fine. Believe what you want. But if you don't want to discuss it or have it challenged, why are you here? As far as the tone, I've had to deal with quite a bit of condescension from multiple people here. Pardon me if I start to shoot back a bit. It's all good though. I generally enjoy the discussion.
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I'm not at all concerned with conforming to your "poor form" group think.
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It just helps me to put your questioning into perspective. You're likely relying on a grossly oversimplified understanding based on movies you've seen.
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You didn't answer my question. Have you ever served in a combat unit?
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You're not getting your feelings hurt again. Are you?
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Ok. Understood. You're talking about a person currently obligated to serve (serving out a contractual enlistment). And they have to participate in a war which might be morally questionable. And that they have no choice but to fight alongside others. And assuming we're not talking about following unlawful orders. Yes. I agree. That person must follow orders, must go to war, and fight. And that person would be justified.
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I don't doubt for one minutes that there have been in history and are currently certain churches and church leadership which are very corrupt. I would argue that the Roman Catholic Church has been fairly consistent in its corruption. I can't speak to the Russian Orthodox Church. I don't know enough about it. Besides, I'm talking about the christian's personal justification (conscience).
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You're wrong. I've sat in mandatory briefings with lawyers prior to deployment to discuss rules of engagement. They specifically talked about situations where an order might be unlawful or ethically wrong. The solder would have a duty to disobey. Have you ever served in a combat unit?
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The scriptures were originally in Hebrew, some Aramaic, and Greek. What are you arguing against, an English translation of a word from that language? That sounds dumb.
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We live in a Republic, not a democracy. It is democratic, but representative. I don't know any American Christian who would EVER want a theocracy. And a Christian might kill to defend his country. However, he/she would NEVER kill to get what he/she wanted politically. What kind of nonsense are you talking about? I starting to think you're not smart enough to distinguish between a Christian and a radical muslim terrorist. Again, that's nonsense. It clearly shows that you don't really know much about what you're arguing against.
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"Turn the other cheek" refers to being insulted. I do not believe this implies pacifism regarding warfare. All wars are evil. However, not all participants in war are necessarily evil. God is sovereign over nations and rulers. There can be an example of war where both sides are engaged in unjust conflict. There can also be an example where one nation acts as an aggressor against another. The governing authority of the nation being attacked in this case has both the right and responsibility to defend itself. This is just. No war can ever end evil in the world. However, there are many examples where war has stopped an aggressor and prevented destruction, and saved innocent peoples. In this fallen world, the solder is both necessary and justified as long as he/she is engaged in "just war." I agree that this can be complicated and I do not think America has always been engaged in "just war." The last war I was engaged in was in Afghanistan 2002. I believe that was a just war.
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Well...I appreciate your support.
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Easy sweetheart. It'll be ok.
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I wasn't proving the Bible. I was stating what it says.
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I started this thread?
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So cute.
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Jesus Christ is the foundation of the Church. “For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor. 3:11).
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You're saying Christianity rises or falls based on how some people market it? It's been around for over 2000 years. People have represented it in all sorts of ways, good and bad, sometimes very bad. Christianity has never been sustained by people.
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God does not require marketing.
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You're such a clever Canadian cupcake...
