BobKnoss

That is really a rotten analogy. Still alive and well? Get serious. He died in 1995 from nothing having cause and effect relationship to Project Norjak, however, special attention did extend his life. On the subject of rubber bands. Don't make shit. How old were they when originally used? How well did they age at temp./humidity cycles under ground? There was no briefcase involved here. It was a milk can and lid. Taper-lock type. When they tip over the lid comes off. I have rubber bands in the drawer that have dry-rotted. Never saw sunlight, water, elevated temperature. Reactions of rubber degradation double with every 10° C rise in temperature and UV rays are even more destructive since there were no anti-oxidants or UV stabilizers used in rubber bands. To make a blanket conclusion about a time-line of money exposure or it's float-time is as silly as Weber planning Norjak. You know within a half-hour when the money et. al., arrived in the general area. You know when the big high water was there. You know the currents from the high water time. If you review period arial maps a few miles around Tena Bar for farms, assuming water flow, you can make a wild assed guess that has more validity than studying used condom biodegradability. Just a thought. Hint: The spot were the money was originally buried was next to the river. The river changed course here after the period of flooding. A silverfish burped this in code on the phone to me in 1985. He is dead now.

Bob, you are mixing us up with the "Deception thread" across the hall... No confusion. You are crystal clear. Bury anything of eventual value. Ignore any pertinent facts. If you can't discredit facts, discredit the individual. Does not work that way. The truth is independent and stands by itself. You are just blowing in the wind, showing your colors, using anything you can to quiet exposure of the real transgressions of the Pentagon, FBI, and FAA in executing Project Norjak for the Nixon Administration. Ask your buddies in high places. The truth is there for the asking.

------------------------------------------------------------ I am always suspicious of TK's conclusions. Remember this guy does science for a hobby. He may have taken high school chemistry. His wimpy analysis and conclusions may be because he lacks formal education, training, and experience in scientific inquiry. We'd be better served with someone with real credentials in science. MeyerLouie I flunked Nat Sci 101 almost twice, but The Society of Plastics Engineers verifies that I am a Plastics Engineer, so I must be as qualified as necessary to run your dog and pony tests on planted evidence. A criminal degree from prison would be what YOU guys are looking for, certainly not real facts from real people you could actually ASK~~ The money is real, stored underground in a milk can, maybe even stainless, and was probably attacked by mold spores from the dark moist earthy storage. I doubt that moths did it. I doubt that chiggers did it. Maybe it was done by lime Kool-Aide.

I'm a Far Side Fan, but every now and again Farf scores. Let me fill in the holes in the sandy money. First, it didn't start there. It ended there. It floated there during a high water incident from a nearby spot where it was buried by Duane Weber. Some of the money went with Duane, but everything that was left went floating bye-bye. There used to be an abandoned dairy farm near Tena Bar. Sometimes the water there has been said to flow both ways. I do not know. I do know that all the money is toast, mostly little pieces that were found as deep as 3 feet beneath the dredged up sand. There is NO money to be found any more. The truth of the caper is buried also and the holders of the silver ring will not tell the story it holds, but for the most part, you can read what really happened in these Dropzone pages. Nowhere else.

Honestly, never heard so much gobblety-gook from so many cover-up artists. Time to poke my nose in for another review. You are all singing turkey tunes at the moon. You beat down a poor old lady with a secret. Jo, your secret is true, it is real and these guys are supposed to keep you occupied. Duane Weber trained for jumping out of the back of a 727 in my front yard (apartments) during the summer of 1968 for the express purpose of executing Project Norjack. Project Norjack was used as a political leverage ploy to spur Air Piracy Conventions in the Hauge, Japan and Montreal and to leverage Congress to pass air safety standards. They refused, Nixon enacted an Executive order based on Norjack, and we all lived happily ever after. This is what really happened, the details are in my notes and more of the story continues in McCoy's writings. Jo has the truth, she just won't accept it because she does not like it. Bite me. Them's the facts, Ma'am.

From Boeings historical milestones.... "Dec. 11, 1967-- First 727-200 delivered; Northeast Airlines put it into service three days later." 'What if' discussions between pilots started a few weeks later. Pilot safety became an issue. Look it up. Project Norjack was approved that winter/spring. Not quite a publicity stunt, but it comes mighty damned close by my estimations. But I don't know a damned thing.

your not going to have much of a choice soon Bob, how long did you think you could throw names around of public figures and not expect legal action? you have fumbled everything you say all the way down to your own past! where are the oil pipelines along the Columbia Mr truth? how could Janet see a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 when you yourself put him on the ground before she could see him? anything Mr truth? I got plenty more Mr truth......need some more that you refuse to answer? The things you mention have all been gone over with a fine tooth comb by professionals much more versed in cover-up than I could ever be be in uncovering. I'm not an Agent, I'm a witness, selected by McCoy and fed information by McCoy for his protection, should I be needed. They opted not to use me. McCoy told me a lot more about his activities than just Project Norjack. They can not be told. At what point is it OK to tell or not tell? Mac said to go ahead a tell it. "IF you are smart you will figure it out." I really wish he hadn't told me, now. I just don't like hearing the lies I hear about what never did happen. Better not to say anything than to make up lies. Some of this stuff I actually saw and heard myself, other stuff was just told to me by McCoy. All in all, my story exhonorates any criminal activity by any of the people you mention. My take on your comments is that you are just trying to keep the truth quiet. Right?

what you tried to tell the FBI and Grey a while back is nothing to what you state today! You have assumed much I do not agree with. Not the case at all. Facts don't change, people do. I will only speak to law enforcement as a whistleblower.

I have never had intention to harm or implicate anyone, as stated frequently. I am on the side of truth, and not willing to intentionally mis-state facts. As Carr stated, if true there is no case. I know this to be the situation without question. These are a bunch of good guys, not criminals, a catch 22. Is telling the real truth wrong? I was taught to always tell the truth, it is the best thing to do. Now the truth as a good thing is not a good thing??? HUH?? Explain??

The above are your perceptions; not reality. Agent Carr and the FBI had every right to publish info about the Cooper Comic, since it theoretically linked with the known signatory on the flight ticket: Dan Cooper, and more. Everyone including Carr acknowledged Snowmman who discovered the Cooper Comic. I thought Larry was very fair with you, both professionally and personally. I thought your actions were completely selfish and uncalled for, and counterproductive to you personally. This is all old ground and hindsight now, in any event. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. showed me a Dan Cooper comic book and explained the origin of the hijacker name he gave to Duane Weber at the beginning of Project Norjak when Mac searched out Duane at Jefferson and got him released. I have the whole sequence of events exactly as McCoy stated it. It appears to be consistent with what has been stated here. Just that nobody can prove anything. Nor do they WANT to. And THIS IS the truth. PPPPLLLLLFFFFTTTT! Bite me.

"If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust? If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life." Accept what I have said, because everything I said is true. What does not fit into your story is where YOUR story is wrong. Think about it. Remember, you often don't hear what I say, you tend to confuse what you hear. I have no reason to lie, but I have plenty of threats to not tell the truth. I told you what happened because you wanted to know. You can't handle the truth. Think about it carefully. Eventually it won't matter anyway. Nobody really cares now.

Really DUMB questions after I GIVE you the true answers!! Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different answer. Beyond belief, Banded Badger Baloney.

" Could it be the FBI thinks they will look bad for not have looked at this evidence sooner? I think the FBI would be so interested in solving the only hijacking case they haven't solved that any reasonable evidence would be looked into. " That is beyond the realm. The FBI is fully aware of their involvement in Project Norjack and are not going to tell you idiots the truth and expose their little pet joke, embarrass the FBI, FAA, Pentagon, besmerch the credibility of their volunteers and the memory of the Great Richard M. Nixon. They will just snicker under their breath at the stupid crap that shows up on this forum by the Brainicrats egged on by the conspirators. This is funnier than "Married with Children." Amazing what a little knowledge can do to expose how funny you people really are.

Yes, you are a figment of your own mind. Everything you say is not real. History is a fabrication written to make you think you are in charge and everything is peachy keen. In fact, it is upside down and inside out. Bottom up, top down and moving faster and faster. Buy gold and store canned goods. Glenn Beck.

Sorry, that's more phony evidence, buddy. The only "Smoking Gunn" in this case that could tell you anything is Mike Barton. But he won't, because he's a team member. You float in Never-Never-Land with your string of lame-brained theories. Talk to Nick O'Hara or Ralph to get the real skinny. They MIGHT tell you the truth, if you promise to keep a secret...... You are a discredit to honest men.

I believe you understand the situation quite well. I can verify that Weber had very little input to the plans. He did pick the jump spot based on past knowledge of the area. He called it, "My place."

I'm still fond of you Jo even though you are getting pretty bossy in the prior paragraph. You still are putting the cart before the Clydesdales. Put Duane in a parachute and THEN I'll give your material a lot of immediate attention. 377 I have done that, Sir. Would you like a deposition?

Actually, this statute of limitations thing is all bullschidt anyway. Since Duane passed the hijacking note before the passengers were released, the charges could be raised to kidnapping which has no limitations. But since it was a Government plot and they wanted it to go away, they blocked the pathway to the real instigators of the Project, which may or may not be judged a crime by a jury. Carr says the FBI would not be able to prosecute with these facts, some State Prosecutors would like to try to nail the FBI and the FAA at least. And a short list of conspirators before the fact, and tons of aiders and abetors after the fact. Including author and printer of "Blast". Good ol' PT Barnum had it right. About one a minute. More frequent now. Like Jo states, I also can't believe anyone could be so nieve as to buy into what you guys try to peddle. Some of us actually know the difference. Tena Bar? Who says the flight didn't go over Tena Bar or closer to it? Fits the information a certain key person told me... and he should know better than anyone.

Welcome to the world of reality, Farf. You might make it yet. Bleep is a write-off. Bought-off screw-off.

"The only chance of getting anything new is for me to GO to WA. Just do not know how I can do that. Money and my health stand in my way right now. I need to go before the snow falls in the mountains near Coure'd Alene and Missoula and in mid Oregon." All you need do is accept the facts I have provided and all of your questions are answered. EVERYTHING I have told you is the truth as it happened. I have a really hard time trying to understand what it is that makes you not believe what I have said. I may not have everything perfect, but I most definitely have the true story. Must be ego on your part. You admit stuff to me, then deny it on here. Is your image really that important? You blew that long ago. Just accept the fact that Duane was a pawn in a political game, not a mastermind criminal. He did what he was told by TOG and Mac. And I am here to verify exactly that. You come up with more trash nonsense than even Blevins. And THAT is a frickin' record. Just sayin'.

An old hooker in Vegas says she is NOT your mother, no way in Hell! But, she claims she gave Duane her pearl bellybutton ring on a tie clasp when you were born.

Been there. Dropped me right to my knees in screaming pain. Felt like a drop kick from an AFL star. When I arrived at the hospital in a fetal position the Doctor refused to give me anything, saying I was just after drugs. Was that you? I spent a week in a different hospital 50 miles away drinking a quart of water an hour until I flushed out this tiny little pit the size of a ball point pen tip. It took 30 years for the pain to go away every time I urinated. It haunted me just like the Cooper case. Difference is, Cooper is a pain in the ass. THAT was a kick in the nuts! McShudder, you're just a kick! Drink more cranberry juice. Cut down on the milk. Don't assume to know what you think is obvious. Mac is a Hell of a drop kicker. Combat boots, you know. Invisible, too.

I will be happy to speak with a law enforcement officer or a State Attorney General's office. No 'for profit' buddies of yours. My wife was not told anything of the Project by anyone at anytime until recently. She knows nothing, except where we were, when. She met a few people, but does not know their involvement. Moreover, she has a rotten memory. I, on the other hand have a perfect memory, tons of notes, and friends in hidden places. I am not here to prove a case, accuse anyone of a crime, or libel anyone. There was no crime. It was a Government authorized pilot demonstration of a lack of safety that was changed into a political football for President Nixon and his new FAA chief, who was the first pilot in that position. Now, you can poo-poo what I say, but it is what happened and some brave civil heroes stepped up to the plate when asked to do a service, like TOG, McCoy, O'Hara, Haapala, Hemmelsbach, and Duane Weber. Now they just smile, or chuckle at the buffalo that few over the chicken coop and you "foxes" act like stupid idiots trying to pretend to be super sleuths coming up with all this phony baloney crap you call evidence. The facts are all right in front of your face, just read it off the FAA History page. Step by step, it's all there from the Air Piracy Conventions in the Hauge to Japan to Montreal and the Congresses reaction, and Nixon's solution, based on Project Norjak. Weber's hijacking and McCoy's hijacking all under the direction of our Heroes. Bashful, blushing, heroes, and one rat fink. Bite me. Mac said to talk.

Fact is that BOB KNOSS has grown sick of your childish banter. No Bob, no activity. I control the horizontal. I control the vertical. Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and the was trained by TOG for Project Norjak. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. was Duane's custodian assigned by the Pentagon to Nick O'Hara who was in charge of the Project. Like I said before. That's the way it was. Bite me. Your benevolent Government at it's best. "For the better good!"

There you go again. Mis-quotes, wrong information, trying in vain to discredit one of two (sometimes Jo) factual sources on this forum. What I have stated is true. You do not have the facts, so you assume so incorrectly. You are the joke, not me. Bernie Haapala was FAA and twice my age, not a University classmate. David Haapala was a NW pilot and a friend of Bill's. Eggface! Ignorant. Coverup instituter. And what my dog thinks. And you are always wrong. WHY? Obvious. Very obvious. AGENDA!!! I do not lie about this case. It is a crime to lie to the FBI. Why would I risk that penalty without purpose? (deleted expletives expressing concerns for your associative mental sourcing.)