Bob_Church

I'm just not familiar enough with swooping to get the connection. I didn't know that body strength made a difference, but now that you mention it I can see how it would. I was thinking of it as strictly a timing and technique thing.

The restaurant owner and her staff have a lot of like minded people out there. https://www.pharmacytimes.com/contributor/alex-barker-pharmd/2015/08/pharmacists-refusing-to-fill-spark-national-controversy

What is flaking? When you count the number of cells and make sure they're all lying flat.

Usually I'd be worried about an advantage but this seems to be one of the rare competitions where I don't see how it could matter.

An old skydiving buddy is 19.5 years into a 12 to 40 in West Virginia and me and another old skydiving buddy visit him as often as we can. They recently transferred him to another prison and when we got there last Saturday I noticed something and had to get a photo of it.

Makes sense to me, Bob. H8RS gonna H8 on ya. F-em. One thing that helps me? S-fold the top 2/3rds of the canopy, put it in the bag, then S-fold the last 1/3rd of the canopy, the bottom part, into the bag, just like we used to do when we packed round canopies into bags. To the OP, there a dozens of little technique things that make packing much easier. Watch, ask for help, copy, imitate, learn. You'll get it, brah. Someone mentioned practice and I saw a great example of that. Packing my first ZP was a serious pain. It would be all over the place and almost impossible to get into the bag. Then one weekend at Xenia I paid one of their packers to do it. I saw this guy holding the S-folded canopy in one hand, the bag in the other and just sort of slip the canopy into it. It looked like the easiest thing in the world, but unfortunately when I tried packing it again it was another messy disaster. They have some great packers over there. Practice practice practice.

I'm afraid it's been too long since i've been in a Central Office and technology has changed too much for me to help. I can add one thing though, not that it will help. Do you remember the line in 'Strange Brew' about mice in a bottle where the old line boss said "well, it didn't use to happen" The PUCO used to watch the phone companies for just this sort of thing, usually the stuff that doesn't get reported because of its now and then aspect. Things like high and dry, that is, dialing a number and it doesn't ring at all, busy signals that don't work, all that.They pick a problem each month and measure for it and the results would affect the amounts they were allowed to charge when the next rate negotiations came up. That was something I'd tell people but they ignored. Someone with a chronic problem was so burned out and frustrated calling the various numbers to complain that they'd give up, but a call to PUCO would be taken so seriously that you'd suddenly have enough phone trucks in your driveway to start a coffee shop. Each one affected billing based on the complaint and how well it was resolved and it was done under the assumption that one person calling PUCO meant there were thousands with the same problem who didn't. The phone company took those reports very very seriously. Sorry I couldn't contribute much more than a walk down memory lane. Dereg changed everything, mostly for good but there are some things we could still really use.

Well you laid it out! What do you think? I thought I already said, but anyway I'd starve to death before I'd eat at this place. They weren't being asked to do anything but their jobs. Instead of being adult and professional they acted like sniggering assholes. 'We can do this and we are, hooray.' Here's their chance to show the world that they're bigger than Trump but they did the opposite. And I would never eat anything that this crew has been alone with. What if they got a glimpse of me from the kitchen and didn't like how I looked? "He's got a skydiving shirt on, he's one of those rich military type assholes who are ruining our world and obviously a Trump supporter." Spit soup. Imagine how low you have to go to make Sarah Sanders look good by comparison but in my opinion that's exactly what they did.

I think this can be pursued in two distinct ways. One, was it legal? I don't know and that's not what I find really interesting about it. The real question is whether or not it was the right thing to do.

I know several people that I really trust who like the psycho pack. Maybe it's time to take a lesson from pro packing. Back in the 90s a friend was showing me this new way to pack, a pro pack. But as I watched it became familiar "oh, you mean a trash pack." "uh, we don't call it that anymore." Maybe it's time the psycho pack got a respectable name.

Thank you for verifying that nothing you say regarding packing should be taken seriously. To OP: Do not push the air towards the bottom. Slider control is one of the most important aspects to packing. Get with you DZ packers and they will show you the way. Also don't stress too much about the top skin, it really doesn't matter. At least you've done a good job of stressing the importance of getting local help.

That's a great scene. I'm going to have to get the movie now. Thanks

"I think she had the right to deny service. However I would have served her party. She's hungry and out with friends, why interject politics everywhere. Her job is no different than that of a lawyer representing a child molester. " And I don't think it's Sanders who is coming out of this with a black eye, reputation wise. A lot of old stereotypes got reinforced here.

"Yes, so when the canopy balloons up on the slider side all the flaking is negated and the slider probably moves around too. It makes even less sense when you realize you are shoving air further into the tail as opposed to away from the tail and towards the nose. " Strange, it's never done that for me in hundreds of pack jobs, but if that's your experience then what can I say.

I have no idea where some of the interpretations of what I wrote came from but please ignore anything that I wrote or the followups. I can't figure the stuff out myself and I don't want you screwing up your packing with it.

This sounds like what I'm doing, apologies if not. The only difference from my packing and the standard one is that I push the air from the top down and out the bottom. Once I'm at the bottom and pin it with my knees I then S fold it the same as anyone else. Pushing the air up into the canopy with ZP material just doesn't make sense to me and is so difficult that it ends up messing up the flakes. When the air balloons up the canopy it does that at the bottom where all your lines and slider are neatly arranged. I'm not sure what you're saying. If you look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIB6XQ3bpJk and go to the 12:18 mark the difference is that I lie down the other direction. I squeeze the air out of the bottom, then block the bottom with my left arm then turn and block it with my knee. Everything stays neatly in place and I get much more air out of it that way. Maybe it's a height thing. I'm 5'4" and jump a 210 but lying on it the way he does leaves air in the top.

"This sounds slightly terrifying to me. Isn't the whole point of bringing the tail up and rolling it closed that the other end isn't open? The technique you're advising sounds like a recipe for a hard opening to me. Happy to be corrected, though. " This is what I do. The only difference is that I push the air from the top of the canopy out the bottom. Once the air is squeezed out I proceed the same as ever.

This sounds like what I'm doing, apologies if not. The only difference from my packing and the standard one is that I push the air from the top down and out the bottom. Once I'm at the bottom and pin it with my knees I then S fold it the same as anyone else. Pushing the air up into the canopy with ZP material just doesn't make sense to me and is so difficult that it ends up messing up the flakes.

I completely agree. The problem is that for generations, minority and blue-collar children were pushed into votech tracks, regardless of their affinity for that kind of job, or potential if educated at the college level. So now we've gone too far the other way. Hopefully, instead of swinging way over the other way again (as is happening with politics), the swing will be dampened somewhat by experience. Wendy P. One problem though is that the pendulum isn't swinging free this time. Too many people are making too much money fleecing young people to let this go without a fight.

The only difference in the way I pack is that I push the air down out of the canopy rather than up into it. I'm surprised that anyone who isn't jumping F-111 still does it the other way. Wouldn't this essentially destroy all of the flakes? No. You flake out the canopy and lay it down. Then you tuck the sides in until it's the shape of a cigar. Then, as I was taught, you put your knees on the base of this tube and use your arms to squeegee the air to the top. That's the normal way, or at least the way I was taught and how I see others packing. But for ZP pushing the air up doesn't make sense. I kneel on the top of the canopy, and squeeze the air down towards the other end where it's open. Once I've worked my way down to their I block it with my knee to keep the canopy from reinflating and S fold it. Your weight keeps any of the canopy from moving in exactly the same way as when you push the air upwards. Once you've formed the canopy into a cigar shape how do you get the air out of it?

As are you John. The business you work for are in lockstep with the government and the student loan ponzi scheme. While you might not have them, your business is laden with people who continue to suckle at the teet of Uncle Sam because they're unprepared for the world we live in. It's only after the student loan teet is ripped from their mouthes do they start complaining about how much student loans cost. And you can bet they will live their lives indebted to the government until they croak. The push for a four year degree for everyone has screwed over an entire generation. Badly. Degrees help some people but not all. Votech type schools give young people the skills they need to do a job without saddling them with debt. Too often a degree ends up as four years of grade 13 and more debt than they'll ever get out from under.

There are some bizarre beliefs out there about education. I think education is a very good investment by society, but it also means that grade inflation is welfare fraud and should be treated as such. Instead I've actually heard this from faculty. "The students have paid for their degrees so they should get them." The truth is that even if tuition covered 100% of costs, and at OU, a state university, it's less than 30%, the idea of paying for a degree is something right out of the ad on a matchbook. Ohio University keeps cutting tenure track positions, filling them with adjuncts, then evaluating the adjuncts by the evaluations the students filled out because it fits right into the computer and is easy to scan. Then they actually say they don't understand where the rampant grade inflation is coming from.

The only difference in the way I pack is that I push the air down out of the canopy rather than up into it. I'm surprised that anyone who isn't jumping F-111 still does it the other way.

It just sounds so embarrassing coming from adults. The last time I heard the term Nazi tossed around like this was in Junior High School, complaining about the Principal.

Great advice to give a newbie Bob, working on your fatality count? Does this make any sense to anybody? Is it pushing the air down and out of the canopy, or not using vinyl that you consider lethal?