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base283: I am interested in your above statement. do you have any links to justify your statement? Beerlight Nope, no specific links. Maybe I can find it in the same links that said that Kuwait/US were "lateral drilling" Fair. "lateral drilling" ,reservoir, kuwait http://www.tanganyikaoil.com/s/Syria.asp http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4093.htm http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/12-14-00.html base283: Ok, the world is still waiting for the WMD´s. where are they at? How could they show proof of WMD´s if they didn´t have them (the logic train says)? Beerlight Oh comeone now, do you really believe there were NO WMD's in Iraq?!! Seriously, he gassed how many Iranians and Kurds? I guess those weren't WMD"s? base283: 3000 is my propagandized guess until I made this search http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/12-14-00.html now I have no clue. base283: 22.7m population/6.4bn world pop is equal to 0,03% How does your math view this? How can this minority cause the downfall of the world? Beerlight Kinda like OBL can, eh? Takes very few freaks out there to change the course of something, don't you think? Method used against USS Cole? base283: not to diss the dead but 17 killed in suicide bombing. This method is a bit old. What did these suicidal killers change the course of? Do you really think that the Cole incident defines the “downfall”? base283: I am Asking questions and relating to the Propaganda That I Hear. I have no stance on anything, So would it be too much to ask that you give me the propaganda spins to support your views? I just spent an hour researching this theme, be fair and do the same. I think that the internet is like the bible in the sense that one can transpose it to say what one wishes. I invite you and others to do it. so please don´t take ANYTHING that I quoted or linked to as my belief. I am just a small insignificant mouse caught between the rolling wheels of Propagandi trying to figure out wazzup. take care, space

I maybe understand the human characteristic of what you speak of. If this is "Normal" then why did they (US military) allow cameras? what ever happened to "outta site, outta mind"? take care, space

This is totally scary that I or you (collective), that If I / you had that much power, we would certainly go this route. I thought I had more control over me. BUT when I think of it, most of the Monsters had public support giving power in the beginning for them to have the ability to go to the dark side later. hmmmmmmm take care space

"If they wouldn't have attacked Kuwait the first time around, we wouldn't be there today." From the Propaganda machines that I hear from this side: "Lateral drilling" from Kuwait to Iraq by many US and other countries Companies resulted in a drastic drop in the Iraqi Oil reservoir pressure. Then SH tried to stop it thru diplomacy and when that failed then he attacked Kuwait and this was the kicker for the Gulf war. This is not my view necessarily but I would like you to respond to this. "Image hell. That place is a terroristic cesspool. Let's remember the big picture here. They (Iraq) have been at the forefront of running terror in the Middle East for many, many years." I am interested in your above statement. do you have any links to justify your statement? "Again, UN resolution not met, we are there for that reason. Not any other." Ok, the world is still waiting for the WMD´s. where are they at? How could they show proof of WMD´s if they didn´t have them (the logic train says)? "Iraq = terror..... and will be the downfall of the world if it's not put to rest" 22.7m population/6.4bn world pop is equal to 0,03% How does your math view this? How can this minority cause the downfall of the world? I am Asking questions and relating to the Propaganda That I hear. I have no stance on anything, I am just a small mouse trapped inbetween 2 or more propaganda machines trying to figger it out meself. Thanks in advance, take care, space

I think the Stanford study was cut short. Some prophet once said something about "absolute power corrupts absolutely" (Lord Acton, in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887. 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men'.) hmmmmmm, interesting take care and thanks for clicking on my first clicky "clicky". I was posting foot long URLs before.. space

Try clicking on the "clicky" and you will see that this has not been posted. I am aware of the other posts you and you refer to. Any comments? take care, space

show me please, I can´t find it. thanks in advance, take care, space

Interesting take. any comments? take care, space clicky

Maybe he was referring to the sentiment. Iffin it´d been me with that sentiment, I would have posted something in reference to it being photoshopped but stating my sentiments. It would give it more credence. Read the title of the starter post "This is so true.. Pic attached..." It is in fact not true. sorry bout the gullibility link, I to am gullible at times also. Normally, that is the first clue of a fabrication of this type. It states ones sentiments almost exactly. take care, space

Did you also know that there is no such word as "Gullible" in the dictionary. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gullible&x=21&y=11 http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/patch.asp Have fun, take care, space

It´s flatter gliding 9cell, take care, space

Very well put!!! take care, space

Hi ManBird. I only took issue with the possibilty of the use of the word "generally". I worked as a PG tech for 4 years and repacked 2 rocket systems out of around 800 repacks. i was asked to remove them from a few more. They are very rare and the top pilots that I know prefer to use cutaway systems with a direct freebagged RSL system. The rocket we used is good except that one could seriously injure or kill ones self or another on the ground due to a premature activation if one erred in packing or handling it. The vid at the start of the post was hot though don´t ya think? It out did me over hard ground, I am impressed, anyway take care, space

Yo Tom, is correct, I was the genie who helped Peter/rocket man achieve his wish. I built the harness/container/rocket/motorcycle harness system for him and after around a 100 jumps on it he got it dialed in. Its strange to here someone talk about a 20m FF that he almost took too long of a delay. WARNING!! On the Paraglider sytem it is made for a basically horizontal trajectory under many square ft of Malfunctioning (resp) paragliding main and is totally useless for this application. It is mainly a gimmick and not many glider pilots use it as the system (for PG pilots) is heavy/expensive and does not provide better performance than throwing out the pod in the correct direction vs incorrect in the common case of the spinning Mal. If you have any Technical questions i would be happy to pass them on to Peter as we have an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) and anyway he was the ballistics expert and I only provided him with the platform and guidance to do it as safe as possible. His lowest jump was an astounding 4m dropoff to a glideable slope. de guy got biguns! take care, space edited to add a P.S. P.S., The snowboard jump was with the same system.

Quote Thankfully you are the only one to even attempt to answer. does anybody have any more insight on the denial? Michele: On which denial - OBL's? Yes, OBL, I found it really strange while researching the quote from OBL denial that there was very little to be found on google, 7 hits on Google for “Osama Bin Laden, Denial” only on was exactly what I was searching for but I got a “ file not found”. Really strange. Your answer doesn´t fit the MO of terrorists. They normally claim responsibility (AFAIK). Michele: Can you lay out what you understand is the Euroview? The main Euroview (from my understanding) is that the US is not answering questions and in some cases lying. this is leading to the conspiracy theories IMHO. This is being used to fuel the fire of USA being on the quest for oil missions to supply the SUV´s, ( the gulf war, etc) As a strike against the credibility of the US ( I think) was the denying of flying out OBL´s family on the days successive to the attacks when all other flights were prohibited. This seems a major point, along with The US military C130 flying about which is rumored to have either a remote control system for airliners, or for a death ray thingy, and the crash into the pentagon which destroyed a section that was unoccupied and match a scenario proposed by a gov study some 3yrs (?) earlier. Here I am an American, in Germany caught between 2 propaganda machines The news I see is different from yours. Michele: I think people - including myself - believe you are stating *your* position. Maybe it's the languaging of the posts, but I sure thought you were advancing a position which slammed the Jews. If that's not the case, as you stated, then I apologize. Here is the link I took the quote from: http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/taketwo.html I haven´t stated any position other than I think GW string pullers are guilty of murder The Germans, at least, say nothing about the jews, All Nazi media and memorabila (unless family heirlooms displayed in the home) are banned except for educational venues. Michele: So, what are your questions specifically? Not that I can answer them, but I would be interested in knowing your questions precisely. From my previous post on this thread OBL denied being a part of the 9-11 attack. what gives on that? (I have no clue). why did they fly out his family? What was the modified military c130 doing flying around in the area at the time of the collisions? These are the questions that interest me the most just to compare it to the Euroview. Take care, space

Hi Michele, I am not looking at the jews, not even peripherally. The quote was from the media quoting OBL. NOT ME! Whats up with you guys? I am not prejudice against any group. Jeesh. What is my position? I have none to research. I asked a question. So far in this thread I have been accused of being German, AntiAmerican, conspiracy theorist, condemner of the US military and now you have accused me of blaming the jews. I am none of those things. Never have been and never will. I am a full blooded American and proud to be one. I would never give up my US citizenship for any reason, I was Born American and I will die American. Thankfully you are the only one to even attempt to answer. does anybody have any more insight on the denial? I am trying to understand the Euroview as well as the US view, I am being objective about it me thinks. Please continue. take care, space

Please read this quote from my post, I am asking a question, I do not know the answer. I then make a statement saying "I have no clue"- quote " OBL denied being a part of the 9-11 attack. what gives on that? I have no clue." I in no way am bashing americans, relax guys, I am asking whattupwiddat? Am I the only one who saw this in the media? "Bin Laden was interviewed September 28th by a pro-Taliban newspaper. Here's a summary: "In an interview with 'Ummat' -- a publication sympathetic to Afghanistan's ruling Taliban -- bin Laden said both he and al Qaida had 'nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in America' and that 'hard-line Jewish organizations might be involved…'" take care & please stop reading things into my posts. space

My bad, Thanks for enlightening me. I was calling GW´s string pullers the murderer not the members of the armed forces. sorry for the induced misunderstanding. BTW, i am American. Germany is where I now reside. Thanks for not ripping me a new one. I only wanted to give the Euro view as it was told to me. take care, space

I apologize if my writing ability fails to communicate what I wrote. I posted the euroview and now you think it´s my view also. click the attatchment and you will see that there are 168,999 other links than the one you chose. certainly we can posts urls back and forth all day , but to what avail. This has escalated into an argument and communication has ceased. But at least you did click on the link. 2/3 of the Germans think that 9-11 was a US government plot according to media sources. I don´t post my opinion on it. I am just trying to tell the Euroview. go ahead and kill the messenger if you wish. it won´t change anything. cya take care, space

OBL denied being a part of the 9-11 attack. what gives on that? I have no clue. why did they fly out his family? What was the modified military c130 doing flying around in the area at the time of the collisions? This has really nothing to do with anything in my post. One can go crazy with the conspiracy theories, I prefer not to. My post stated the euro view. not even my view. take care, space

There is nothing political about murder. I stated what the Euro view was. read my original post and top off on reading comprehension before. take care, space

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Relevant links http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Afghanistan,+pipeline&spell=1 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1049522;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread base283: In respect of his passing, I totally agree with you. But in the Euro view he was only a bush henchmen to clear the way for an oil pipeline. same like Iraq. take care, space Tunaplanet: Is Base the same guy I see in the local bars drinking his whisky, looking over his shoulder in paranoia as he tells anyone that will listen his version of America and all of his conspiracy theories? base283 responds actually it´s the other way around, I listen to what the others are saying if you can comprehend my first post on this subject you might get a clue. Read this again “base283: In respect of his passing, I totally agree with you. But in the Euro view he was only a bush henchmen to clear the way for an oil pipeline. same like Iraq. take care, space” Do you understand what “Euro view” means? Its not my view. Polish up on your comprehension please sir. crzjp20: please move this thread befre i rip into base in a fassion that would not be exceptable on this forum.... ... ok ill be nice, but still please move it, then ill give my opinion base283 responds; OK, lets do it. kmcguffee: To take the attack to the terrorists instead of sitting around trying to defend everything. Remember the country that was hiding UBL after 9/11? Maybe we can just pull out and watch Afghanistan collapse back into the Second Taliban Government. There is no oil or natural resources that we want or need in Afghanistan. Now, you tell me why you think we are in Afghanistan. The poppies? We're not in Afghanistan to protect our homeland and family? You've got your information a little twisted. You're also showing complete disrespect for someone who had the courage to sacrifice for his beliefs. base283 responds; How did I diss this hero? Please work on reading comprehension and the twists will unfold. Take care, space

It´sa deal. take care space

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