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My bad, I just read back and realised I had not made it simple enough. I didnt' type "In Canada"... merely "I don't know about in the States but....." I can see how you might have, while skimming through, got the wrong idea. lol From the very same post... and concerning your IT'S NOT K-MARTS FAULT reply to it... did you see this part or go off half-cocked? Now please, your opinion on segregation of duties... it's comparison to "Hey, it's not my fault!" My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

I think it's disgusting really. We are all arguing but getting nowhere. The reason: peeps defending things that are not being attacked... it's bloddy counter-productive. I would like to take this moment and ask John specifically: "Why do you suppose more people kill eachother each year with guns in America, then in any other similar nation?" please don't get to hung up on the 'gun' part... I'm just interested in why you all destroy yourselves and eachother so much. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

According to this it was 20,000 but what you don't mention in your rush to prove your point is that the amnesty included air guns, antiques replicas and toys. Whoopdee doo. I feel much safer now. Quote No... No... No-torious! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Pleeeeeease comment on my Holocaust comparison. Please John. I want to know what you think about segregation of duties. It had nothing to do with bad taste, it had to do with the law. Many drug stores still sell cigarettes. It's against the law to sell them to kids. Really? In Canada? No! Drugstore cannot sell cigarettes... and it is because it's in bad taste. I draw the comparison between two countries and see it as valid... if you cannot see it at all, don't comment on it. (Thanks, btw, for cutting out the "In Canada" part of my post that you have quoted... you know, you will become notorious for this sh*t if you keep it up John) I'd like to see all guns and all gun related items sold only in specific ereas. A gun shop for one. Mind you, I did spend last weekend firing the shot gun and the 22 with rounds pruchased at Canadia Tire Well if your solution is to punish people who aren't guilty of doing anything wrong, then I'll pass on that option What option? What option John? Read what I wrote, read what you repplied... what option? That "punishing people" crap? 'Cause I didn't write that. And who was unjustly punished? Kmart for taking the rounds off the shelf? Please! They've got all sorts of crap to sell and all sorts of prices to alter to make up for the loss in sales. I would present that Kmart need not be in the gun market at all! That it is just a convenient market for them in your country (wink wink). And it's only that particular round that was removed anyway. Again, please comment on my comparison to the Holocaust. The criminal is responsible for the crime... but is he responsible for a society which makes the crime so very easy and damn near acceptable? Here's a though, read the post you are repplying to instead of just using the "Find (on this page)" function to seek out the word "gun". edited: I had typed Apocalypse instead of Holocaust. oops My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Thought I'd bump this thread as I've done a little research on this topic. (provided to me in a letter from a Whitness friend of mine): Rather thean condemn those who may have committed serious sins, elders seek to heal and to lead to repentance if that is possible. They rejoice when they can help someone whow has gone astray. It saddens them, however, when a wrongdoer fails to repent. Then God's righteous standards require them to disfellowshitp the unrepentant one. Even then, like the father of the prodigal son, they hope that some day the erring one will "come to his senses" (Luke 15:17, 18) Thus, elders take the initiative to visit certain disfellowshipped ones to remind them how they can return to Jehovah's organization. Elders especially need to imitate Jehovah's justice when handling cases of wrongdoing. Sinners "kept drawing near" to Jesus because the felt that he would understand and help them. (Luke 15:1; Matthew 9:12, 13) Of course, Jesus did not condone wrongdoing. One mealtime spent with Jesus moved Zacchaeus, a notorious extortioner, to repent and make amends for all the suffering he had brought upon others. (Luke 19:8-10) Elders today have the same goal at their judicial hearing - to lead the erring one to repentance. If they are apperoachables as Jesus was, many wrondoers will find it easier to seek their help. Because the elders are, after all, only human, I can imagine it does not run picture perfect everytime but the setup sounds sound. A sensitive heart will help elders administer divine justice, which is neither harsh nor unfeeling. Interestingly, Ezra prepared his heart, not just his mind, in orgder to teach the Israelites justice. (Ezra 7:10) An understanding heart will enable elders to apply the appropriate Scirptural principles and to take into account the circumstances of each individal. When Jesus healed the woman who had a flow of blood, he showed that Jehovah's justice means understanding the spirit as well as the letter of the law. (Luke 8:43-48) Elders who administer justice with compassion may be likened to "a hiding place from the wind" for those who haqve been buffeted by their own weaknesses or by this wicked system in which we live - Isaiah 32:2. In the first centry, there were some who abandoned the faith for loose living. Others were turned aside because of apostate doctrines. (1 John 2:19) The same thing continues to occur among Jehovah's Witnesses in this 20th century. Sadly, in recent times it has been necessary to disfellowship tens of thousands of unrepentant wrongdoers each year. Prominent elders have been included among them. The same Scriptural requirements apply to all. (Jas 3:17) Jehovah's Witnesses realize that maintaining a morally clean organization is vital in order to continue to have Jehovah's approval. Sometimes, in order to keep the congregation clean, elders have to disfellowship an unrepentant wrondoer. (1 Corinthisans 5:1-5) This protects the congregation. It may also help the wrongdoer. Often, such discipline has helped to bring a sinner to his/her senses. What, though, if the one disfellowshipped is a close friend or a relative? Suppose the individual is our father or mother or son or daughter. Do we nevertheless respect the action taken by the elders? True, it may be difficult. But what an abuse of our freedom it would be to question the dicision of the elders and continue to associate spiritually with one who has roved to be a currupting influence in the congregation! (2 John 10, 10) Jehovah's people as a whole are to be commended because of the way they cooperate in such matters. As a result, Jehovahs organization remains undefiled in this unclean world - James 1:27 What about being submissive when it comes to judicial decisions? Granted, this may not be easy, especially if a dicision is made to disfellowship someone we love - a relative or a close friend. Here again, it is best to yield to the judgment of the "gifts in men." They are in a position to be more objective than we can be, and they may know more of the facts. These brothers often agonize over such decisions; it is a sobering responsibility to 'judge for Jehovah' (2 Chronicles 19:6) They make every effort to be merciful, for they are mindful the God is "ready to forgive" disfellowship unrepentant wrongdoers. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13) In many cases the wrongdoer himself accepts the decision. The disciplen may be just what he needs to come to his senses. If we, his loved ones, are submissive when it comes to the decision, we may thereby be helping him to benefit from the discipline. -Hebrews 12:11. So I found this very interesting as I found that disfellowship is a protection and definately not the be all and end all. The witnesses, as I've said, follow the teachings of Jesus to a T. Thusly, all corruption issues withing the organization aside, (there cannot be a group of humans without a level of corruption) a disfellowshipped member can always be saved. Just as God is always 'ready to forgive' the Witnesses are alway ready to re-welcome a wrongdoer who has repented. Ian, as painful as it may have been for you childs mother to have been 'removed' and to have her mother be so cold, it's important that she realise that in her own congregations eyes, this is for her own good. Though having a child out of welock is a sin, is does not damn you if you truly seek the forgiveness of your maker. Her mother is administering no more than 'tough love' in this instance. Karen, I hope this helps you as the very mention of 'disfellowship' is enough to send a chill down ones spine if not properly explained. I've got to say, it can't be hard to live with such hard discipline, it can't be easy to live your life according to the teaching... to the very letter. In the end, bad things do happen to good people... But the concepts of disfellowship are to protect the standards, the morality, the ethics and principals of the group as well as the individual. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

No Kelly, finding "Mr. Right", no matter how right he is, will never make you not be interested in other people. Make you never want to persue anything else yes. But you're mistaken if you think all temtation will cease the day you find the 'perfect partner'. Now, back to the thread topic: [checks left hand for metal] No rings, no strings! [\checks left hand for metal]

Well congratulations Kelly!

Nice new Avatar Vallerinagirl!! Christmas movie? I loved that part! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

True that. If I'd have to identify 'the Scariest' moment... it's dealin' with traffic in the pattern. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

See what I mean?.. next there will be smarta$$ coments about why don't we also ban this and that and.... Ahh, there it is. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Why? Did their wounds come from cartridges purchased at K-Mart? What exactly took guts? To others in the thread, is that not blaming both inanimate objects and the people who sell them? Yeah, the bullets came from K-Mart. It was a small 'victory' for those kids to have that particular round removed from the department stores shelves. Is it blaming inanimate objects? Don't know, sounds more like blaming k-mart for making said bullets so readily available. I don't know about in the states but a long time ago, you could buy cigarettes in any drugstore... now you can't. I guess it's bad taste. It's sorta like that. Does Moore think the shooting would have been avoided if K-mart didn't stock the rounds to begin with? I don't think him that simple. Think about the first scenes... the Lockheed Martin plant... Does Micheal Moore truly blame the plant for the shooting? No.. but he does kinda doesn't he? Shock value my friend. I think of the issues this movie presents and I think of the holocaust... That is, I think of a day in history class when the teacher told us about segregation of duties. You could think of all the people it took to make the holocaust take place (a great number) and wonder: "How can so many people follow and obey Hitler and actually partake in a Genocide attempt?" The answer is segregation of duties. It's easier for you to do your job if your job is just to pull the gas lever... it's someone elses job just to heard everyone into the 'shower' before you pull that lever and it's someone elses job just to shovel the bodies out after you've pulled the lever. You are no longer the guilty party 'cause all you do is pull a lever. A very drastic comparison I know but a valid one as K-mart just stocks and sells the bullets. Lockheed Martin makes big weapons... Not at that particular plant but to state that they don't is just uneducated. I think Moore points to a number of accumulated factors for the shooting. The most frustrating part is that it is well known that there is no single answer to violence in America. Everybody knows if there is a true problem, it's a collection of accumulated troubles... but attempt to address one at a time and all you get is "Hey, it's not my fault... I just... yadda yadda..." My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

I know what you're talking about. As Jt said, it'll all but go away as you become more confident in your packjobs. Also, when you know the dynamics of the opening and know exactly "What's going on" between releasing the PC and inflation of the canopy. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

NSFW My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

John, have you even seen Bowling for Columbine? Just curious. 'Cause the movie is about violence and oppression in America. Are you trying to tell us that the crime rate in the UK went up BECAUSE guns were taken away from the people? Or merely putting 2 and 1 together to form 4? The above actually says that the best they can figure is that there is no direct link. IMHO, that has nothing to do with anything. So anyway, if it seems like I'm picking on you, it's because I think you are the reason this thread is 'looping'. A great number of people have already agreed that guns themselves are not to blame. That it's quite daft to place any sort of blame on an inanimate object. Yet you persist in defending them. Will you accept that The movie we are supposed to be discussing is about American social issues so that we can start discussing American social issues? Otherwise, I'm affraid this thread is dead. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

look back a page I know I was repeating lol My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Well, a pilot chute 19 inches in diameter would give you a 1:1 loading on your 2lb setup. Could probably affor a little smaller. Now, how much force would that apply? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Good point! With a sidemounted camera... and a helmet meant to protect from impact, your camera could potentially be saved if only decelerated a small amout if the helmet hits first. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

It seems to be looping... has anyone noticed this? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

That's what I always thought. Man, think of all the people that have lived and died since 'the begining'... even if ya threw half of 'em away would we even have enough square-footage on the planet for 'em all? lol I've never taken numbers from the bible at face value. The language it was originally writen in is all but lost. Even those who have dedicated their lives to studying biblical times will never have full understanding but what they do know now applies. I remember learning that saying the number 40, in the time of Christ, was like saying "Millions!" today. Meaning it's a real number, but is often used just to say "lots and lots". example: Jesus didn't literally spend 40 days and 40 nights in the dessert but just a very long time. Peeps were like "My Goodness! He's been out there for 40 days!" meaning "Holly sh*t he's been gone awhile!" hehe. I find stuff like that interesting. Also, I've never thought that people really lived in excess of 800 years (Genesis). That saying they did was merely reflecting that "people lived well" The JW do however, think the numbers are real. They say that the bible is a series of prophecies. If they can tell the future, then they can certainly get their numbers straight (even via many many many generations and translations) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

It's 140 thousand... and it's in the Bible. Lot's of 'believers' just tokenly think: "I die, I go to heaven or I go to hell." Nowhere does it state this in the good book. It is said that 140 thousand will have a place in the kindom of heaven. That all others will either rise up from the dead on the last day and live on earth for the rest of eternity (mind you, this is "perfect world" now) or be cast away for their sins. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Oh that's plenty insentive-enough. Bet some would give up more that smoking fo dat

Congrats Clint! And good luck sticking with it. True the worst are the threes (3rd day, 3rd month, 3rd year) Stay the path and see how much better you feel in a coupla weeks

Your friend could always just ask TonySuits to send it as a repair or alteration. As in, hypothetically: The pants already belonged to him; He sent them to Tonysuits to let them out or something. And now they are sending them back. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Well, I sorta have a shine on for the Sony PC105. Pretty expensive (but a real beauty) But then I get to looking at others like the Canon ZR60 or the ZR65MC MiniDV Camcorders and wonder. I've not read anyones comments on Canon camcorders. Is it sturdiness? What about service? I know the Sony guys come out to DZs and stuff. They understand what their product is going through. When it comes to making a repair, will other companies be like "You did what with it?" lol. I don't know... there are just so many choices. I won't be jumping it for some time though. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

This is what I was picturing. The bridle of the pilot chute would be 'S' folded on the side of the helmet nearest the cutaway for the hemet itself. The tefflon for the helmet cutaway is attached to the bridle. It would function like a pullout system where the pilot chute is deployed and a half a foot later the helmet would be cutaway... this way, if the pilot chute got away on you, it would cutaway the helmet. Still pretty risky if you ask me... considering the helmet comes off one way and you body can be in any number of positions. I'd be thinking of it constantly. True that, imagine the guilt if you saved the camera only to have someone else fly right into it? [shudder anew] My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!