Freeflaw

i had the same question...these various theories answer why as to why the barrel is inwards but none of them as to why the short side (relative to barrel) is towards the top. I done heard them military folks put the long side up and barrel in in case them barrels unwind.

Same guy, different suit. 18kmh vertical...and not out of a dive V3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q3vL7vlPss V4: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1970794388051

Hate your rigger, buy a pop top.

id look a clown trying to fill his shoes. Footprints like swooponds. Do you mean your route it under left and right, (before closing) out from under left and right flap up to pin and then back down and stow excess regularly?

I used it completely for effect...Im just wondering what causes pc's in tows beyond the "stupid mistakes"... a properly maintained, properly packed and thrown pc cannot entangle with its apex (skirt entanglements are conceivable)...what do ya think? Chance of Inversion mal can be minimized through low pro handle selection or possibly eliminated through alternative pc design? Far out man, far out...or just plain retarded...as long as I got shit over my head im happy. As to the vector bridle routing: isn't the velcro there to insure proper slack to insure that the pin does not pierce the bridle?...conceivably if you route your pin from right to left and tuck bridle into too tight under top (left and right flap) and release pc with the left shoulder really low or rolling left as you let go, then this could create said mal.

Questions: What causes pcs in tows? What factors can not be eliminated? What kind of pc in tow: 1-pin rips of bridle 2-pin pierces bridle 3-pc catastrophic structural damage 4-bridle wraps handle (failure to inflate) 5-bridle wraps skirt (failure to inflate or partial though insufficient inflation) 6-bridle wraps person 7-uncocked pc what causes it? 1- material failure 2- improper stowing of bridle and body position on opening 3- material failure 4- and 5- this type of malfunction can presumably only happen if the bridle gets behind the pc on deployment 6- your burble or your vice grip or your unstable body 7- lack of attention or bad packing 1-Can be eliminated through proper inspection 2- leave slack in between bridle and pin 4- selecte a low snag handle 4 and 5- the risk can be minimized through pc packing and throwing techniques 6- don't deploy unstable, hold on to pc or toss lazily - grab and toss in one swift, smooth and extended motion (one very experience jumper i know holds on to the pc until all the bridle makes a an arc in the wind...he swears by it) 7-pay attention, recock pc once its in the bag by pulling the kill line with foot on bag. pack your own shit, check your main system...your job! saves your life all the time as regard 4 and 5 ...check out how base packs pc's. when i pack my priority is my pc not my main...think about it... shit over your head=more time (I left out more esoteric mals like, bridle caught under main bottom flap or d-bag not attached to pc etc..) Please amend, criticize, lament, congratulate or even thank, don't care i'm spent. Go rig yourselfs

100 feet possibly lower

Thx everyone!

Hey Tracey What material is used for Base Bridles? Am I right to assume that it is webbing type material? What's the thinking behind using flat and wide webbing rather then say a dacron or spectra bridle on a Basejump? (Less likely to move under the pin or be pierced by the pin?) To paul: I just tested popping pins through Type 3 vs 4. Huge difference. Type 3 is quite easy to pop through, 4 I did not even manage (though I did use 1/2 inch rather then the inch wide Type 3). I think a type 4 bridle is the next on my list of rig mods... anybody jump one? What are potential downsides to a Type4 bridle? Still the original question remains... why use something flat rather than string like

Is it only because of the kill line? If yes, then why do Base jumpers use binding tape bridles (and some skyjumpers with bungee PCs)? Is binding tape less likely to knot around pc/hackey? Is it more durable and shows wear better? Is it easier to stow/pack and thus makes for cleaner pc deployments? Is it more likely to quickly catch wind and blow up and clear of the jumper or maybe even the exact opposite, so that the bridle does not blow past pc? I know some crew and military folk jump Dacron bridles on rings. I don't like the idea of my bridle being behind my pc and assume that binding tape catches air better. Trying to learn as much as I can, help appreciated

To the OP.... Im sure you could learn how to fly that thing safely (as in one car on the race track vs racing with a bunch of other cars) if you just dedicated yourself to doing hop n pops and learned the canopy inside out. Why do you want to decrease your safety margin, when you know that making errors is vital part of any learning process (especially in a situation where the cost of those errors can be quite significant). I'm still under my 190 at a 1 to 1 loading at 400 jumps. I'm sure I could fly and land a 150 no problem at this point, if not even smaller. But why? I have pounded myself in with my canopy learning to swoop. If I wanna go real fast, I take it downwind (good luck learning that on that beast of yours). I have done it multiple times on hop and pops for training and love it. My canopy has become too fast for me on more then one occasion. Suffice it to say I swoop better and know a lot more about canopy piloting then most of my friends who started with me and downsized to 150s and lower. My canopy is forgiving and thus allows me to push with a higher margin. This, I think is what allows for faster and safer learning (I may be wrong, who knows). If the cost is not high the bigger challenge may produce the bigger learning result, but since the cost is so high the loosing battles can't be fought for one to gain experience from them I think logically, not based on any experience, that you could learn to land your canopy safely and even with elegance, but your skydiving would have to be completely limited to learning your canopy. You can't just go jump with people... you would pose a significant risk to yourself and others (whole other skill set)...reaction and canopy understanding has to be completely intuitive but you gotta fly with your head. Your gonna bounce at some point... learn survival skills on fogriving things. To know the edge you have to have stepped over it or something. Here is a video for your viewing pleasure, not mine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNbg-DD96rw&NR=1 p.s. worst injury severely bruised ankle from gopher hole at jump 25 or something and a couple of bruises here and there from experimenting (deep braked approaches, deep corner swoops, downwind tumbles, downdrafts)

Some pictures of the Venom...source is the French BASE Forum

thats a gorgeous looking suit.. the wingtip grippers and leg stance are interesting. Looks fast. Who built the thing? NTNU tunnel so VKB proto?

Call the mnfctr and ask. The gargoyle has been tested in head down I believe (too lazy to check the website). I know Tod (apex) tests his rigs in the tunnel in perris. You probably got this idea from the soulflyers...those guys jump snekors (flyyourbody). I would imagine that the bridle cover flaps like on the TL/Gargoyle are probably the most suited for such insane nonsense. I have no idea though, im just starting out and am talking out of my ass! So...call the manufacturer and ask...and don't bother asking on bj.com...you'll probably get laughed at (and likely so for good reason...not that that has ever happend to me )

Wasn't RW considered nuts at one point?

Some little bird told me there was going to be a tracking comp happening at Elsinore...can't find anything on it so I assume its just a bunch of bull....if someone has a link...please send! Thx

knowing does not guarantee your survival but it sure raises the odds...keep on researching fella....great job btw!

very nice

I recently managed to do this with my 190 sabre2. Sweet deal for the last load of the day. Otherwise probably a bad idea to float around in an updraft for 20 mins over the dropzone on a busy wknd. Fun Stuff.

It might still be flying around in the loft. I'll check. I doubt it's still around though. If it is, I'll post a pic.

On my seventh reserve pack job I managed to rip a cypress washer from hole to hole. I was closing the bottom flap (last flap) of my wings container with a very short closing loop when I suddenly felt the tension slowly melt away. It was not the sudden breaking that you feel when loop rips but a very gradual decline in closing loop tension. When I opened the container I found a sliced washer. The washer had not been visibly damaged and had been used for the last three pack jobs on this container. Pretty weird.

...you gyus raally get exsited about wrappings huh?

Would you try this if you broke your spine given the information I have posted here?

Spinal cord injury can be divided into two stages. First is the mechanical injury, then comes the death of the neurons which causes surrounding neurons to die as well. It is this cascade reaction that causes a lot of the damage. Polyethylene glycol can protect the injured neurons (the white matter/axon) and restore function, thus stopping the cascade reaction in its tracks. Apparently this holds true for brain injury as well. What it is: http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Polymers/Polyethylene-Glycols-PEGs.htm Some articles http://www.fasebj.org/content/14/1/27.abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1471-4159.2002.01160.x/full http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/neu.2005.22.1092 http://www.vet.purdue.edu/cpr/riyi/papers/64-Neuroprotection%20from%20secondary%20injury.pdf http://www.apparelyzed.com/forums/topic/13350-findings-show-nanomedicine-promising-for-treating-spinal-cord-injuries/ Potential problems (toxicology) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T4P-4754BM8-W2&_user=10&_coverDate=01/01/1989&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor&view=c&_searchStrId=1530255620&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=06027ae15b5591bc3528b42d6a2961b1&searchtype=a http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T4P-4754BM8-W2&_user=10&_coverDate=01/01/1989&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=dc17a0e25fc847b5344255fa2184f1d5&searchtype=a http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6P-3YKM374-3R&_user=10&_coverDate=02/28/1995&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=4eceeab33d2b3febdb89dc2bd26f91e0&searchtype=a better now?

there are two theories punch reserve or cutaway punch reserve....cutaway main risers have apparently collapsed deploying reserves.... make sure your fucking pc pull your pin ....