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So in order to maximize the aggressiveness of the turn and time spent in turn, as these two things run counter to one another, you add more rotations. You argue that at some point, given a static first input that is then held, the canopy, albeit remaining in the rotation, will start to recover and loose speed (for any given wing/loading combo this will be different but constant for that combo) So the goal is to find that point, constrict the rotation there (like an ice skater pulling in his/her arms) and use this momentum to fling yourself as high as possible thus achieving the greatest dive: as the tighter the rotation the higher the centrifugal force, the higher the centrifugal force the higher the dynamic loading, the higher the dynamic loading the longer the dive? I imagine that this is not a: a ok max speed reached, whip it around on harness type thing? Ideally this tightening of the turn should occur as one smooth transition from a big wide initiation to as tight as possible 90 (do you end up on the same horizontal plane as the canopy or in fact higher)? This means an ever increasing loading as the centrifugal force increases due to the constriction of the rotation and thus an increase of speed? The max loading coincides with the radius of the rotation being zero? [confused] What I have done so far with my 270s: Start with a double fronts, dive for 3 seconds. Slight riser offset. Carve the 180. Whip the last 90 degrees of the rotation around as fast and hard as I can. (All on my storms...I am back to very gentle harness 90s on the Katana) p.s. Ironically this has now turned into a thread about canopy piloting in general.

I demoed a KA 107 today and immediately fell in love. I had a 99 Xfire and that as demo options. I haven't had this much fun skydiving since my first solo. I was hesitant after reading and hearing all the stories: Velo without brakes, dives like crazy, super ground hungry etc... I did one HAHO and 4 hop and pops.Coming from a loaded up storm the transition was as natural as any could be. The openings sucked - as expected. Harness input was a little easier and produced the desired output quicker. The canopy to me seemed about as ground hungry as my storm - not more so at all. The forward speed, in static flight, was a little higher, though not significantly so. The fronts seemed similar in effort to pull down - almost felt a little sluggish on the KA even though their range was greater, the output more pronounced and the effort to hold them down remaining constant (unlike the storm). Rear riser pressure and toggle pressure seemed a little higher. Flat turns were not quite as flat as on the storm. Not surprisingly, in very deep brakes, close to the stall point, the canopy would buck more (very aggressive dive arrests would do this too). The main difference however was the flare - incredible. This canopy produces lift for days even after planing out on rears. Maybe my technique is shit but this canopy shuts down so much easier. With all this being said, I am glad I started my "swoop" training under a Sabre2 at a 1 to 1 and learned everything up to 450s on a 1.2 loading. Without the proper know how this canopy will murder you quick. Panick turn without automatic dive arrest response - dead. There seems to be a point in swooping where light loadings and quick recovery arcs become dangerous. edit: I guess I had it wrong in my first post...the KA 107 was what I thought was a 120 and the 109 was in fact a 99.

I mostly hang in deep brakes and let everyone land before me whenever possible. Flat turns and toggle hook to flare carves are a lot of fun and if you intend to touch your fronts this better be second nature - no? I don't understand why this always turns into a discussion about canopy control in general. The Storm 120 is a steep trimmed 7 cell. It's not exactly an efficient wing. Yes people load Storms up to 2.0 (have you seen one land?). According to PD I am loading the canopy fairly high. Plus: Where did my attitude indicate passive piloting anyways? I am just curious as to what people think would be a nice wing to transition to. Frankly I can make these decisions on my own. I like to test my ideas against other people though. I don't think this indicates lack of experience...it simply shows that I take other viewpoints into consideration when making my decisions. To dave and dutton: I learn/learned a lot on these forums. It does however irk me that questions often do not get answered. Some of you use these forums to vent your general frustrations with the sport in any thread that allows you to do so. I understand this frustration but bitching about it on DZ.com doesn't solve anything. Get proactive with the USPA if you so desire. It would be a lot more useful if questions got answered rather than any thread dedicated to swooping and technique first turning into a bitchfest about the problem we have with people hooking themselves in and anyone asking this question getting pigeonholed into the category of DGIT. You are not stopping the next Sangi...that dude already has his mind made up. Out of 4 of my friends that downsized too quickly 2 knocked themselves out, one broke his back and pelvis, the other was out for 3 months (luckily only bruised). I pleaded and pleaded and they were my friends. Your heroic little internet antics however do nothing beyond turning a potentially useful platform for the exchange of ideas into a pathetic spectacle. A lot of people hate these forums because it is a fucking circle jerk. If there was less bullshit and bickering and more dissemination of information, I bet a lot of people would not view these forums in this light. To everyone else: Thanks for your input

Hey Justin, thanks for the lengthy reply. Demos are hard to come by up here. My goal is hassle free beer line swooping. I never thought the storm was a swooping canopy. It was an nice transition canopy coming from the Sabre2 with wingsuiting in mind. It did however allow me to learn the basics of modern canopy flight (tight whipped 90s vs carved 90s, flared turns, quick rear to toggle transitions, dive recovery, setups, basic double front to harness turn transitions etc). I really fell in love with the canopy and never downsized as I could learn so much on the thing. It was an appropriate canopy for my skydiving at the time. It is not anymore...I have progressed to the point where an all around wing suits neither.

You are just jealous of my skill. Don't hold me back bro. I think I'll just get a Xfire2 119 and keep that one for 400-500 jumps. Not quite as steep as a Katana, great openings and more appropriate for what I am trying to do... (back to double fronts)

Hey guys I am currently on a Storm 120 at a 1.6. Bought another Storm as I was doing a double downsize from a Storm 150 at a 1.2 ish (put around 500 jumps on it before the downsize). The 150 opened beautifully and was great to learn the basics of swooping. Loved the canopy...bitch to dive though...needed very aggressive inputs close to the ground to keep speed. I bought the 120 in the hopes of a wing that would allow me to progress canopy wise and still be manageable for wingsuiting. Long story short I hate the 120...it sinks like a brick, has no bottom end and the openings are shit compared to my 150. It is much easier (dare I say safer) to swoop (dive, plane out etc) but after planing out on rears after an efficient turn there is nothing left in the brakes (50 ish jumps on the wing now). Anyways- I decided to keep my 150 and pack it back up into my old container as a dedicated wingsuit rig. I ultimately would like to fly a pocket rocket (speed speed speed - i need to look cool, remember). So what's a good next step coming from a steep trimmed seven cell. I am used to falling out of the sky, I want a canopy that is really responsive on harness, has a lot of range on the rears and does not require a herculean effort to keep in a dive. I am thinking Katana, Xfire2 maybe? I am somewhat hesitant to transition from a 7 cell to a 9 cell elliptical considering that I recently went from a 150 to a 120 in one leap (fine given the same plan form and my experience with that wing). Input appreciated. Not many demos around - except for a Katana 120 and a Xfire109 that I am hesitant to jump. How would you proceed? Background: Took two canopy courses (One for learning how to swoop). Have gotten quite a few compliments from very proficient canopy pilots regarding my flying. I can do everything on Bill's list.

So what's the verdict on the JFX?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdOrqGSsYok

This rig will carry him through two downsizes. I jumped my first rig for about 3+ years. Put between 800-900 jumps on it. If you are in a hurry to downsize then maybe not. Plus...it is an awesome wingsuit rig.

Curved pins rotate before releasing, alining with the direction of the pc tug. The main pin protector flap is almost identical to the vector, wings, icon and others who use or have used the smiley method...so it shouldnt matter. Maybe there is some reason behind it given that they close left before right...call them and ask them. You might want to check out the alternate version for closing a vector. It was created to prevent pin pierce bridle mal.

go to Hollywood and buy the frequent flyer 600 dollar block...You fly for 10 bucks a min...however it is standby time and you have to wait for open time and cannot schedule in advance...most of the time that is no problem, especially around non-peak hours...call ahead and ask them if there is a bunch of time scheduled before driving out, mention you are a frequent flier...they are more than happy to let you know...further, after you have bought your first block you can just keep adding money to your now existing frequent flier account at the 10 dollar rate another option would be to contact atlas freefly at Perris or Elsinore...they can schedule time, and you will be flying at a rate of around 15 dollars if not less with a coach...If you need contact details for the guys let me know...cheers -A

Will a 7-31 make a decent harness machine? The guy selling it does not seem to know what it is. So who knows the condition. He claims it is complete and running (whatever that means). I am interested in making an offer. I figure Id offer him 300 hundred and see where that gets me.

How many jumps are on the stiletto? How many on the specter? Is the stiletto tight in the bag and/or in the container already? How good of a packer are you? According to the PIA chart there is only a 2 cubic inch variation between the canopies.(http://www.rigginginnovations.com/files/Docuemnts/Other/PIA%20Canopy%20Volume.pdf). You could probably force a 190 into the tray. I have a tray for a 500 ci canopy with a 370 ci in it currently. I have managed to stuff a 700+ ci canopy into it. Pretty fucking stupid.

sure...as the retarded sykdiver that I am I will be carrying my gopro along with me and thus might even have footage to share.

:)

Here is another data point for you muppets to bicker back and forth about http://vimeo.com/52332979#at=0 Check out the last 30 seconds. Giselle...say thank you Tony

so what is the status on the thumbs up or down thing?

So...heading out to Indonesia for some diving. Looking for a good diving forum to mine. Posting on scubaboard.com. So far Raja ampat and Manado are on the list. Have about 12 days. Flying out from Jakarta. Not sure where to fly into. Suggestions appreciated.

I used too do a mixture of speed skydiving and power tracking in the beginning of my jumping carreer. The forward speeds that came about were ludicrous. My lowest recorded fall rates in the last 20 seconds of the dive were in the low 70s with jeans and tshirt. I imagine this type of lift to have been the result of extremely high forward speeds. I shall try again with my flysight. W

I don't think anyone disputes that education improves safety and that creating and mandating a standard assures a certain level of preparation for newbs and thus encourages safety. What is being questioned is whether the danger associated with wing suit flying is so much greater than other skydiving disciplines so as to require an advanced rating, and, whether the non existence of such a standard is the only way (or the most effective way) to cure the problem of tail strikes (and thus the only way to keep the discipline alive) and promote safety. That awareness has seemingly stopped the occurrence of tail strikes undermines the idea that a rating is necessary or the most efficient way to stop tail strikes: the most pressing issue at the time (the impetus as well as political tool to get this rating of the ground) No one argues that bad exit techniques can and have been the result of bad training, but so far the only recorded fatality has occurred due to complacency and not due to initial bad training (demonstrable by the fact that the dead guy taught others the importance of proper exit technqiue). But even if the evidence suggests that tailstrikes have occured because of bad initial training the fact remains that communal awarness and self monitoring have done a sufficent job to curb the problem (as current evidence suggests). Thus implementing an advanced rating (and opening pandoras costly box) is not the only nor most efficient way to curb the primary problem associated with wing suiting. The burden of proof remains with the pro rating side. It needs to be shown that a rating is necessary, that the problems of wingsuiting cannot be addressed otherwise and that the benefit of such a rating outweigh the costs (which are to a degree unknown).

What counts, horizontal speed only?

tracking isn't wingsuiting. Straighten your effing legs. Arms to your side. Dearch! Focus on your legs, arms just help with dialing in the angle.

mo vote is base first. That way you wont be tempted to go huck the wingsuit of the cliff after your 3rd terminal E.

i stuffed anything from a 266 FOX to a 150 Storm into my 190 Sabre2 fitted Wings. That's the beauty of a closing loop that is anchored to the reserve tray. But I would advise against doing what I did.