Zenister

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and they get back up and do it again

i was trying to get the hang of that after my first few birdman jumps to help slow the forward speed..the first one i pulled 'normally' and went for one hell of a ride...lots of fun, but i'm damn glad my sabre opens nice... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ooooh we got to put together a 'good tracks only' tracking dive during the Xmas boogie. your right though, the majority of tracking dives are social flocks usually inviting any and everyone, so the leader has to split the difference between flat and moving out and slow and delta so that everyone gets a chance to play together.. i've been on several nice 6-8 way tracking dives at Eloy with some great trackers.. FF & RW types.. they are lots more fun and challenging when you have to really focus on lift and drive as well as staying together.... its funny, but sort of sad, when you have 3 or 4 people flying daffy in the middle of your tracking dive I think on average FFers get spoiled tracking since you dont have to be as efficient to get good separation when you break off from HD speeds.. ps. booties are cheating on tracking dives ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i'll agree with the limited utility, but on large jumps where we've lost a few i want the extra piece of mind.. if your already moving out you wont lose much lift. I barrel roll in tracking dives for S&Gs regularly (and switch from belly to back tracks) without falling out, but i'm never usually at a max track then either.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

agreed, pointing out how ignorant they actually are, to a person with a thimble full of authority is asking for that tiny bit of power to be used to make your life miserable... be calm rational and back up your position with lots of documentation and its much harder for him to exercise that power against overwelming evidence and polite assertions. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

just as a quicky SW is one of the better airlines for skydivers IME. Ask right when you check in specifically about sport parachutes and Airtec Cypress, they have a ticket sized print out they can give you to show the TSA. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

its been replaced by 'the armed camp where everyone feels secure even if they arent' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

passes to moses, he's out of coverage! he shoots! he scores! ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

pompass asshat! as if E & F havent been used by musicians and composers for hundreds of years. particularly funny since those are probably the only 2 cords Lars can recognize.I guess they are finally admiting they've been plagiarzing their same two albums for the last 10 years and need to 'copywrite' the interval...lol i almost wonder if they dont do stupid shit like this to boost flaging record sales... Poppica - theres no metal in it. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Rocky was a cool flying squirrel. Kind of an odd freindship, that, a flying squirrel and a moose. a moose once bit my sister.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

As you like to say: Have any hard numbers to prove that? Or is it just a guess? wish i did, i've been pretty vocal about the lack already, but lets just ask 'experience' then, how many people are there who are flying wings successfully in 'violation' of the proposed numbers? how many do you know? have you met? have you heard about? in comparison to the ones everyone hears about when they screw up? i'm one. I put nearly 200 jumps on canopies at 1.3 before my 'numbers' caught up with me. I guess i shouldnt have made those 200 because someone else with the same jump numbers hurt themselves doing it? really? how many people hurt them selves? out of how many jumps and number of people who did not? until you can prove there is a clear threat to the majority I will not be in favor of any mandatory regulations. Increased education i will always back. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i think most people do listen, and dont want regulation forced on us for the few who do not and then fuck up spectacularly. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

sorry should have specified yes i meant Canopy Control class by CC (should have been CCC i guess) those are not all the same, your distorting my arguement by implying they are.. how about this then. At what point is a jumper qualified to decide what canopy they can put on their back as part of thier regular skydive experience? when can you say (for example) " a Vengeance? sure i havent flown one of those i'll try it." without having to ask permission from the 'adults'? and or tell the 'adults' who are concerned about you flying it "i have heard your concerns however its my life and i'll risk it as i chose, thanks for caring."? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

aka the guys who the opening to 'American Psycho" was written about. Actually most of the movie was written about them.. i need someone to come make over me & my life...and someone else to pay for it so it doenst interfere with my skydiving budget.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

i was travelling alot last year and didnt have to many issues at all, I always make a point to ask about parachutes on check in to see if the airline can give me a print out of thier policy, but i've only had to show it once...usually the xrayers never blink at my rig in a bag or out, and i've never had to show my cypress card. from the horror stories i've read about i've been lucky. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

actually it isnt a waste at all. it adds continued visibility to a growing problem and lets people vent about related experiences. now if this is all your doing and you expect it to change then your SOL... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

wonders how the 300 way participants got to eloy i think i would have had a kiniption and started demanding some supervisors if someone told me that... ive carried my rig thru PHX at least 10 times in the past year..someone must have really had a case of the 'i have the power to ruin your trip' ignorance ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

so your implying that no matter how many courses you take your still not responsible for your own choices and actions? please. FJC teaches you to save your life. More canopy control should certainly be included in that and pushed as good things later on, but are you going to say now, (once someone has completed a CC) that they cant make decisions about what to fly on their own? even when others think it may be to much for them? that exactly the "brothers keeper" problem, trying to protect someone from themselves. We have to define at what point is a jumper qualified to make decisions about their own safety jump #'s? completion of Canopy Control courses? years in sport irregardless of jump #'s? D license? at some point you will have to rely on peer pressure and ST&As to do their job, and learn to shake your head when it still fails (because it will, and anyone who thinks all the safety measures, training & regulations in the world will actually prevent any particular accident needs a reality check.) ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

A BSR is going to pull for you? no you are, you are responsible for yourself. BSR's define basic safety practices come on, now your being disingenuous. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

can we stop with the comparison of licensed trained jumpers with 1st time wuffos? Once you've been signed off your A your a licensed skydiver, currently that means you are now responsible for yourself and what you fly (actually you were in your FJC too you just had some extra help incase you couldnt save yourself) we've been getting closer to the development of better canopy control training at early levels, but even then, once someone has been thru the course (FJC or CC) it is up to the peers to 'regulate' the risks the people they care about take. If those concerns are still ignored, it is not anyone elses responsiblity accept the jumper (unless they are flying in a manner that puts others at risk which should be addressed the min they walk off the landing area by the ST&A. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

but what it actually shows is that some ST&As (and more importantly the jumpers friends who claim to care about him) didnt do thier jobs and seriously talk to him about it, explain exactly the risks he was taking and that they were worried about him flying that. Mandatory regulations wont change that. Peer pressure does work if the peers (and ST&As) do their job, and take the time to talk to jumpers they are concerned about. If its still ignored after all that, then it falls in the "oh well, your an adult and are well aware of the risks' catagory.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

like NOW! that is insanely assine, the phrase 'reckless endangerment' comes to mind, if it were me and i could pin it down more firmly as to where it could have happened you can bet i'd have a good lawyer if any airports are doing this as part of regular parachute inspections somebody better be on it... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

depends on the insurance, most homeowners does... my renters insurance here does i'm not sure if the policy i had in phoenix did or not. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

bah. might as well go to the store and buy it out of the freezer. Once you stoop to 'shooting' you've already let someone else do the work for you. hunt anything you wish. Do it with tools of your own creation. far to easy to pull a trigger and call it 'sport' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.