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...and I sleep like a baby. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

I'm sure you lie to yourself everyday about something or someone and delude yourself into believing you won't have to face judgement and pay the piper. I don't have to delude myself. I have faced my mortality head on...and I had a lot of time to think about it. I was supposed to die, and at no point did I resort to any of your bullshit delusions. That Piper you refer to is a myth that you created so that you wouldn't have to face your own death. That's cowardice. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

http://www.freeweb.hu/playmate/html/6501.html "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

It takes more courage than deluding yourself with some bullshit "I'm going to a happy place" story so you don't have to face your end. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

The only truly obvious thing to come out of this thread is fact that your Bullshit Detector is completely fucked. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

"Russel's Teapot". "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

What makes you think that it's not just something we haven't found YET? There are countless cases where we attributed something to the supernatural only to later find out that there is a natural, rational explaination for it. It's been going on as long as man has existed...it would be silly to think that it can't happen in this case. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

you claim to bow at the throne of science, logic and reason (as per your signature) yet, it seems as if you don't really understand the true definition of the terms. objectively speaking, emotion is NOT a logical system. meaning, it cannot be explained or rationalized by the methods and discipline laid out by aristotle and still used today. It does not exhibit consistency, soundness, validity, and completeness, all of which are required by logical systems. this is the basis of what I am saying in my posts. Pure logic and reasoning cannot explain faith or emotions. All other inferences made by you regarding the terms "rational" or "logical" are entirely connotative and are NOT what I am talking about. Yet pure logical reasoning is the basis of the scientific method. science is a logical system. This is why they are NOT mutually exclusive. here, an easy to understand refresher (or primer, i don't know your educational background. This is basic philosophy course stuff though, so any philosophy 101 book would have a nice description, too) http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-logic/ wikipedia also has a decent article, but no one here trusts it, so meh. Thanks for helping me understand your position, BB. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

Joe, when you describe yourself as spiritual, what exactly do you mean? "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

For me, emotion does follow logic and reason... Faith(the suspension of rational thought) should not be required to believe something that is true. If what the religious (or "spiritual") would have you believe were the truth, why is faith a prerequisite? "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

Yes, I read the NPR article. I understand what you and BB are saying about keeping the two (religion/faith and rationality) seperate. I cannot do that and maintain a sense of intellectual honesty. Yes, it's the fundamentalists that frustrate me the most, because their beliefs are directly opposed to things we know to be as fact, but even the "casual" believer faces the same contradictory issues. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

I don't think emotion is irrational. Can you explain why you think it is? Evolution and creation (as written in the bible)are mutually exclusive ideas. They can't both be right, which is why we have the fundie nutters fighting so hard against science on this issue. It is yet one more thing that shows belief in the supernatural(god, spirits, whatever) is ridiculous. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

The answer ultimately can only be found in God. Nonsense. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

I'm denying that anything supernatural exists, Those claiming to be "spiritual" are making supernatural claims just like the "religious" do. "Dwelling on spirituality"? What does that mean? Psychologists many times treat people who are religious or spiritual, but Psychology is a science, and not based in anything supernatural. You're wrong, The debate over evolution is one of the current conflicts, and there have been conflicts between the two for a long time. See attached. If you were to apply that same ability and training to other areas of your life, you wouldn't be religious or "spiritual". Nothing supernatural stands up to rational scrutiny. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

There is no more evidence for disorganized religion than there is for organized religion. I always laugh when I hear the declaration "I'm spiritual, not religious". "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

Were you searching for atheism in your Oct. 25th thread? I can't tell if you believe in God or not. My position is a belief in a God; but difficulties with organized (dis-organized) religion. I admit I had less questions when I was a young altar boy, but felt an emotional bond with "God." Having said that, I don't know if it was an emotional relationship with God as much as it was the church fellowship of my peers, Priests, youth groups, etc. Anyway, with all the strife in the world today... decided to dive deeper into "a beginning of all religions." It's actually quite interesting. No, I was not "searching" for atheism in that thread...I've been an atheist for the a long time now. If you are fond of your belief in god, you may find that knowlege is your enemy. Proceed with caution... "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

BTW, it was when I explored what all religions had in common, that I realized that none of them were based in Truth. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

Yes, they all have many things in common. Each of these religions claim to be right and if you're not a believer in THEIR tenets, they all claim that you will be tormented for eternity. I call it the"mutual exclusivity clause". They also share the prerequisite of suspending rational thought (faith). They require it because without it, religion would quickly become extinct. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

It's kinda hard to have a religious war if you don't have weak-minded religious people. Then you'll just have the normal atheist wars... Very good, Coreece. Here's a cookie.

As luck would have it, Christian history is full of all kinds of colourful thingies. Like the tens of thousand of people murdered over the fictional crime of flyingaroundwiththehelpofanointmentcontainigchristianbabyfat a.k.a. witchcraft. Let's not forget Abraham. (The Father of a few religions, I think) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO129-RfhVE "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

It's kinda hard to have a religious war if you don't have weak-minded religious people. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

Maybe people shouldn't blow up Doctors offices, drown their kids or start crusades. See, we agree on a lot!

Full story: Fox News and The Telegraph Religion...Ain't it great?

It is called the Blessed Hope in Christ Jesus. AMAN!! "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."