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the figures will also show it's racist

Why are you examining the UK? http://academic.udayton.edu/Race/03justice/crime18.htm stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Agreed. But what about culture? Are some cultures (such as gang culture) more likely than others to commit crimes ... what about the banker and political gang culture - they seem highly criminal

so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? Nobody here is saying that except YOU, Kevin. no, i'm saying that blacks are no more criminal than whites

A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

I think there are other factors big factors like poverty in that equation. Usually the more poverty in a community there is more crime. It’s not just the skin color. so the figures should show that lots of poor whites are in prison with poor blacks - but strangely they aren't. Your statement assumes that there are equal amounts of crime committed by whites and blacks. no, my statement assumes that blacks are no more criminal than whites

I think there are other factors big factors like poverty in that equation. Usually the more poverty in a community there is more crime. It’s not just the skin color. so the figures should show that lots of poor whites are in prison with poor blacks - but strangely they aren't. stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

What is a racist outcome exactly? Are you suggesting the very nature of causality has it in for minorities? i'm informing you that the american criminal justice system is racist against blacks. why do you think that is? And we're back with the axiomatic assertions. Again, what exactly is a racist outcome? How disparate must a statistic across races be for someone to just know that the result was that of malicious racist forethought? When does that become "obvious" as you say? The reason I'm asking you these things is that I want you to realize what happens when you stand on a soap box and say, "listen up you ignorant, pig-headed racists... cause I know that's what you all are... you all need to start doing things the way -I- think they should be done." If you can't accept that people who disagree with you may not be racist, then you should go make a movie about your beliefs. You won't change a damn thing, but maybe you'll make some money off people who think the same way. a racist outcome is when nearly six times as many blacks as whites are in prison (in the same way as gravity is present when you drop the apple - nothing you can put your finger on - but there) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

A Libertarian is an Anarchist with money. The real difference is that Libertarians believe in the Rule of Law, where Anarchists do not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

so definitely not black

What is a racist outcome exactly? Are you suggesting the very nature of causality has it in for minorities? i'm informing you that the american criminal justice system is racist against blacks. why do you think that is? stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

would you say that asians are black or white? (clearly you know little of your countries racist history) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

are you saying that american history is not replete with devious plans to lock up black people (but not this one you say) I said nothing of the sort. I didn't even make an assertion. I asked if it was possible for someone to agree there was a problem with either situation but not attribute it to race. Is a person who believes this, in your opinion, necessarily either fictional or deluded? you can believe that. now, i'm asking whether you believe that these laws have a racist outcome? stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

are you saying that american history is not replete with devious plans to lock up black people (but not this one you say) Are you saying drug crimes were specifically chosen for increased penalites and enforcement because of the race of people committing those type of crimes? i'm saying that, whatever the reason you believe for these laws, they are obviously, blindingly racist in outcome. surely you can agree with that

Of course not. It's obvious that only a racist would ask such questions. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/13/naacp-wells-fargo-hsbc-fo_n_174564.html stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

are you saying that american history is not replete with devious plans to lock up black people (but not this one you say) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

no, it's more racism than anything else. do you honestly believe that blacks are nearly six times more likely to be criminals than whites You can compare the two. Socioeconomic lines and race lines. If there are more of one race than another in a socioeconomic class and the class in question is prone to crime... you could put it that way if you really, really, really wanted to obscure the fact that blatant racism is at play Exactly how do you think it's racist? Where does the racism lie? it's blatantly obvious that blacks are not six times more criminal than whites no matter what their class (are you a marxist) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

no, it's more racism than anything else. do you honestly believe that blacks are nearly six times more likely to be criminals than whites You can compare the two. Socioeconomic lines and race lines. If there are more of one race than another in a socioeconomic class and the class in question is prone to crime... you could put it that way if you really, really, really wanted to obscure the fact that blatant racism is at play stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

no, it's more racism than anything else. do you honestly believe that blacks are nearly six times more likely to be criminals than whites stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

looks like more banking sh*t is about to hit the fan... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5319359/Geithner-enriches-speculators-in-sham-bank-bail-outs.html stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

Being repeatedly accused (either openly or by implication) of racism would tend to make you touchy, don't you think? no, you're just overly touchy. and anyone who doesn't understand the importance of race in the us and its history is being very silly Interesting comment, coming from someone in a country that is much more prone to xenophobia and ethnically based violence. possibly 'as xenophobic' as the us but not 'more' http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64 stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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A Libertarian is an Anarchist with money. and is white

Being repeatedly accused (either openly or by implication) of racism would tend to make you touchy, don't you think? no, you're just overly touchy. and anyone who doesn't understand the importance of race in the us and its history is being very silly (why are all those blacks in prison) It this what your website told you to say? why are all those blacks in prison? (racism you say - surely not) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding