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Tell your coach what you will, but disclose ANY injuries to the tunnel instructor, ALWAYS. Non-disclosure will lead to furthur injury. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Yes they fucking do, when the saftey and protection of a wuffo is concerned and the trust is placed in the Tandem Instructor to keep the student safe from all the things that they are not aware of. Stop mucking about before another student dies and we end up in a world of shit. ***SIGMA TANDEM SYSTEM OWNER’S MANUAL Page2: Section 5: Student Techniques • Chapter 3 - Other Activities 11301- 00.00.0000 These guidelines are not optional. They must be followed, or the Tandem Instructor and Tandem rig owner will be in violation of the User Agreement under which Tandem jumping is operated and will consequently no longer be allowed to legally perform Tandem Jumps. PARTICIPANTS QUALIFICATIONS For any relative worker to accompany a Tandem pair, the following criteria must be met: 1) Relative worker must have a minimum of 500 relative work skydives; or 2) Relative worker must be either a current Tandem Instructor or a current AFF jumpmaster. 3) Relative worker must have made at least 100 relative work jumps in the last year. 4) Cameramen must meet all the above guidelines, and in addition, must have at least 100 camera jumps. RW TANDEM BRIEFING If the Tandem Instructor does decide to take a relative worker on a jump, a briefing must take place before the jump between Tandem Instructor and relative worker which covers these points: 1) No one should ever pass directly over or under the Tandem pair in freefall or droguefall. On exit, the Tandem Instructor needs room to deploy the drogue, and at any time after that, the drogue could suddenly become a deploying main canopy. 2) Once under the drogue, the Tandem pair has very little ability to change drogue fall velocity or to move horizontally (track). This means they can’t get out of the way of someone who is closing too fast or someone sliding under them. Therefore, NEVER let anyone who is not a skilled relative worker accompany a Tandem pair on a dive (see fatality report section). If the grips are taken, take them on the student, not the Tandem Instructor. 3) Because the Tandem pair cannot track very effectively, they must obtain opening separation by opening higher than everyone else. Accompanying relative workers must not attempt to open their main canopies with the Tandem pair. A minimum of 1000' vertical separation is required - to avoid collision situations. BRIEFING REVIEW To review: when you dirt dive Tandem drogue relative work, tell the participants four things. 1) Give me room to deploy the drogue in the first five seconds after exit. 2) NEVER pass directly over or under us. 2B) Grip the student, NOT the Tandem Instructor. 3) Approach slowly and dock gently. 4) Wave-off signal given at 6000ft 5) Let me pull first at 4,000' or above, and give us at least 1000' vertical separation. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

And it's because AFF instructors and programs have slipped to sloppy standards that we have so many skydivers injuring themselves through poor judgment. "Instructors" don't just train people to get past physical goals, but create skydivers that exercise sound judgement, are capable of making sound decisions, and know when to ask if they are in over their heads. The lower we allow the training standards to drop, the more incidents we'll see 2 and 3 years down the road. I am sick and tired of seeing this thought process. If an AFF Instructor is incapable of teaching canopy control, they have no business teaching students. The TLO's and the training towards them IS NOT AN OPTIONAL portion of the ISP. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

What utter tripe. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

By the looks of your profile, you have no business deciding, nor recommending what camera equipment poses a risk or not. Adding ANY camera adds risk. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Thanks for the info, I learn more everyday.

I stand corrected. Thanks!

Does that include your 15 minute reserve? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Skydiving has. Being pretty sure that student were going to be looked after by the skydiving community, and that they would heed the advice the community had to offer is no longer a real expectation. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Who's angry? And Perris hasn't banned wingsuits, they have created a plan for their safe use. Deland (as far as we know in this thread) and other DZ's haven't. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

My point exactly. The A/C was never designed for those stresses. What's your thought on 5 in a C182 Chris? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

I've spent quite alot of time jumping 182's. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

This of course begs the question of why the hell do you sleep in jammies anyway?! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

What's your fuel consumption at max climb? I'm thinking that average weight for 1 pilot 2 tandems and 1 more jumper ought to work out to about 1300lbs. Fuel is 6 lbs a gallon, I've never heard of an operation fueling for just one load but anything is possible. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

What is that weight? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Does anyone think what happens when the engine quits? So just because there is an extra seat belt DOESN'T mean there is an increase in the maximum weight the A/C is certified for. What weight is used as the average for each jumper? Most w/b sheets I've seen use around 175lbs, which is way under the average of most jumpers with gear. Unless every jumper at your DZ is 100lbs I still can't see 5 jumpers in a C-182 as safe. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Incorrect........... Hence my post on stirring the pot. "Turns greater than 180 degree can be made in the pre-designated swooping area only" The only grey area is where this will be. Since it's unknown, turns over 270 are out of the question right now, right? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Still don't get why operators think 5 in a C-182 is acceptable. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Not once have I said anything about being upset if I have to walk furthur. That argument and infact the entire thread to that effect has been stated by non high performance canopy pilots. Most HP canopy pilots don't much care if they walk IMO, they do care about safeguarding their sport. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Interesting, I find KA's and TO's to be much louder than a single like a Caravan. Anyone have a DB meter. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

1 - Nice solution 2 - I have yet to see anyone recommend actually banning swooping. Yet this comment keeps coming out. I do expect to see a DZ or two do just that if people keep overstating it. According to the OP DeLand has. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

You are incapable of having fun without a 270? Sometimes it's a 450. Some people in this sport have chosen high performance canopy flight as their passion. Your question is akin to asking a freeflyer if they are incapable of having fun without freeflying. It's what they do, not just a bonus to their skydive. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

There are still course directors who will let you write a check for your ratings and same for renewals. It all in who you know. Look at teh list of Course Directors on the USPA's website and you'll be able to see how low the standards have slipped. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3qotFD5iI ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

Right, but then women can't remember where they left their keys or how to turn on the VCR/TV/Satellite system. I have the power of annoyance. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.