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_____________________________________ I can't figure-out 'why', he wondered why, you didn't stop at one of the side roads? Hmmmm... You did the right thing by going to "a well lit area." I think, he got you confused with someone else. The onions were why he didn't haul you in! The guy was a 'bit' out of line. The whole incident sounds just plain aggravating. Chuck

_______________________________________ If, I may stick my nose in here... Bobbi, makes an excellent point here. If, I may add: Avoid auctions or sales. These are for the 'really knowledgeable' horse folks. I've seen some really good looking horses purchased at sales or auctions that weren't worth a shit... after the 'dope' wore off. When you get your 'eye' on that horse that really looks good to you, take a farrier or someone really knowledgeable to look at that horse with you. Like buying a used car and you get a mechanic to look at it first. Chuck

__________________________________________ That's just too cool! Sounds to me like, you're off to a good start. It's going to take time and patience but, it will be so worth it. One thing. When you work with your horse... leave the watch at the house. Don't set a time limit on fun. Horses don't know our time... just theirs. Chuck

I've had to do that before... learned to keep an extra rasp stuck in a back pocket too... they go in to bite and give themself a shave!! _____________________________________ Aw, yeah. Kinda' 'passive-aggressive'. A couple times of his trying to nip that rasp, that back pocket, won't look so good! Chuck

_______________________________________ I would say, separate them. Horses, like people, get 'ornry' when confined together. Also, it keeps the 'Alpha' horse, usually, a mare from getting all the food! Chuck

Hell yeah! Hit 'em in the wallet. Maybe, they'll work on that nipping problem. Laugh Chuck Yup... worked a treat... made me $60 extra a couple times when the owner didn't take me serious, too... of course, the fact that the farrier was right there agreeing with me (I was an apprentice only) didn't hurt any!! __________________________________ That there's funny! Folks have to learn. Sometimes... the hard way! Chuck

AMEN!!! It makes the horses back sore (believe it or not) and it makes YOU uncomfortable because the saddle isn't stable. DOUBLE AMEN!!! *coming from a former blacksmith/farrier apprentice* Want to pay $20 extra a trimming/shoeing... or not be able to get it done at all? Have a "leaner" or a horse that fights/bites the farrier... Chuck It's really interesting, getting a Farrier or Blacksmith to 'get talking' about his 'peeves' in regard to horse owners who don't 'prepare' their horse before the Farrier works on him. Chuck Yup... I'd actually rather trim up a biter than a leaner... I can *watch* his head out of the corner of my eye... but there's no way to get away from 1200 lbs leaning into your hip...and, to be honest, when I ran into a biter, I'd tell the owner that the next time I came out, it was $20 a nip!! _______________________________________ Hell yeah! Hit 'em in the wallet. Maybe, they'll work on that nipping problem. I've tried this and... it works! When the horse goes to nip... tap his shin with the side of your boot. He'll equate that, when he nips, his shin is gonna hurt. Chuck

______________________________________ I don't guess, we'll agree on 'everything' but, I agree with you on a whole lot of what you've said. I'm doin' my best to avoid your kickin' my butt! Love ya' too!!!

_________________________________ Yup! I've learned how to get my horse to do things I want him to do by letting it be 'his' idea. When I first got the horse I have now, I made the stupid mistake of 'loaning' him to a calf roper. It didn't take me long to realize, I had made a big mistake. It took me about a year to un-do what he had done. I had been 'talked-into' believing it would 'be good for him'. Now, I'm the only one who he'll let ride him. We've been through a lot together and we have a 'bond'. Chuck Yeah, but once you have that bond and you learn each others' signals...it looke like you're riding by telepathy, because casual watchers can't see your signals... ____________________________________ Yup! That's a good point. The rider, is like a telegraph key. Whatever the rider is feeling... the horse will feel. I was told to just relax and "Ride him like a sack o' shit!" It works! The rider, gets all nervous and excited... that's how the horse will get. Chuck

AMEN!!! It makes the horses back sore (believe it or not) and it makes YOU uncomfortable because the saddle isn't stable. DOUBLE AMEN!!! *coming from a former blacksmith/farrier apprentice* Want to pay $20 extra a trimming/shoeing... or not be able to get it done at all? Have a "leaner" or a horse that fights/bites the farrier... Chuck ______________________________________ It's really interesting, getting a Farrier or Blacksmith to 'get talking' about his 'peeves' in regard to horse owners who don't 'prepare' their horse before the Farrier works on him. Chuck

__________________________________ I'm in total agreement with you, on this one! Chuck

_________________________________ Yup! I've learned how to get my horse to do things I want him to do by letting it be 'his' idea. When I first got the horse I have now, I made the stupid mistake of 'loaning' him to a calf roper. It didn't take me long to realize, I had made a big mistake. It took me about a year to un-do what he had done. I had been 'talked-into' believing it would 'be good for him'. Now, I'm the only one who he'll let ride him. We've been through a lot together and we have a 'bond'. Chuck

oops!my mistake.I misread what you wrote. Know what you mean about the old ways of breaking a horse's spirit.Its stupid.If you work nicely,comfortably and equally with the horse they will want to do what you ask them to.Never beat an animal in training..it completely negates all that you're trying to teach.Just like with a child..if you yell at them they arent going to listen to you.Whats the saying...The louder the voice the less someone listens? ___________________________________ You're so right. It's like Monty Roberts says; "Adreniline, up... learning, down!" Chuck

________________________________________ I think, you did real good! One thing I might add. You buy all that fancy tack, to make that horse look good!. On the serious side, It all sounds like a lot of money, owning a horse but, it just kinda works-out and you don't really notice it. Just don't try to make-up for an ill fitting saddle with pads. Oh! Keep those hooves clean. Work with picking-up his hooves and messing with his hooves. It is NOT the Farrier or Blacksmith's job to allow his hooves to be worked with. That's the owner's job to 'prepare' the horse for the Farrier or Blacksmith. Chuck

You're too much of a gentleman to be hanging out in these parts.

____________________________________ Yup! ...and plenty of room for them to be 'horses'. Good luck to you! Chuck thanks! plenty of room indeed! 16+ acres, natural stream that's clean, shade, good pasture, i think we're set but I need to do some fence work first. _____________________________________ That'll work! Sounds great! Chuck

Why thank you, kind sir ... 'Shell _________________________________ You're welcome, M'am. Chuck

____________________________________ Yup! ...and plenty of room for them to be 'horses'. Good luck to you! Chuck

________________________________ No, no! I wasn't saying Anderson uses 2x4's or any of the other trainers. I was making reference to some 'arcaic' methods used in the past by folks who only understood brute force to get a horse 'submissive'. The 'old' thinking was to break the horse's 'spirit'. It's a real joy, to see the results of using Monty's methods, or Cameron's. I've seen some amazing results with my own horse, using their methods. Chuck

You were tipping your hat as you typed that, weren't you ... 'Shell _____________________________________ Of Course! Chuck

I forgot about Clinton Anderson. He's not bad. I prefer a trainer who knows horses and works them without whips or 2x4's! I've used a lot of Monty Roberts methods with my horse and have been able to get rid of some (previously instilled) bad habits. What amazes me is, how quickly those methods work. It makes the whole thing... fun. Chuck

_________________________________ There ya' go! _________________________ I do, appreciate that, M'am! Glad, you're there. Chuck Just one more service we offer. 'Shell

____________________________ I've watched Parelli and I think he's funny and a good 'showman' but, I just prefer Monty Roberts or Craig Cameron. Roberts and Cameron seem to be able to accomplish more and get better results in a shorter time with less hassle. JMO Chuck

______________________________ Yeah, like someone in the front office never did that! Chuck

______________________________ Isn't 'whiskey' an 'expected' on expense reports? Chuck Spell it like we do up north. They won't know what it is! 'Shell _________________________________ There ya' go! Chuck