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___________________________________ Seems to me, the politicians could've found something better to work on during their past year, '3-month' work period! Chuck

Such a level of education and ability to use the English language is not exclusive of illegal aliens. In any case, why is that so important? As long as they are working their asses off for a few dollars to feed their families and not causing any trouble, why does it even matter if they are fluent in English or not? _______________________________ Years ago, I had the opportunity to meet an 'illegal' from Mexico City. He was working as a cabinet maker. A trade, he had 'dabbled in' in earlier years. His true occupation was that of a university professor. He said, he could make more money for his family as a cabinet maker here, rather than a professor in Mexico City. I've met many 'illegals' who spoke better English than a lot of Americans. They had only been in this country a very, very short time. I'm not buying all the generalizations. Chuck

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______________________________ Read it... you're right. Chuck

#-4... no black. Yellow, instead. Chuck

I'd say it's pretty fair to apply this statement to certain brackets of American Society. Replace the word "illegal" with bloke, and "hispanic" with Caucasian. Lack of education is not the provilege of immigrants. On a tangent, is English the official language of the US? __________________________________ Now, that you mention it... we don't have an official language. Chuck

It depends what your definition is. I know of many illegals I reckon would not fit your definition. I think people would be surprised what the number of illegals coming from Western Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc... is. It sounds like you're basically talking about white people. They make up something like 6% of the total. More than four out of five (81%) illegal aliens are hispanic. Fifty-seven percent of all illegals are Mexican. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to say the average illegal is an uneducated, hispanic male, who doesn't speak English above a rudimentary level. _____________________________________ Like Carlos Mencia said; "All the Mexicans are HERE! All those people lined-up waiting to cross the border are from Central America!" "Behind them are folks from South America... we're runnin' out of roomere, people!" Chuck

Hell we have the perfect island to use..... acutally a few of them... they would make such perfect prisons....Attu...Kiska....or anyone of the Aleutian Islands.. __________________________ Hee, hee! Chuck

Perhaps, but don't confuse that with "the majority of Hispanics are illegal", because that just ain't so. ___________________________________ With fake papers, it is hard to tell. Chuck "Legal" Hispanics don't have fake papers, and it's unfair to paint them with a presumptive broad brush just because many illegals are also Hispanic. Your take on this issue disturbs me a little. I think you need to be introspective a bit, and be honest with yourself about what's really bugging you about this. I understand the concern about illegal immigrants. But I have less patience with the undertone - maybe not from you, but I detect it generally - that the latest wave of immigration, even that portion which is legal - is somehow less desirable because happens to be largely Hispanic. Unless all your recent ancestors are Native Americans who migrated here from Siberia 10,000 years ago, the only thing that separates legal Hispanic immigrants with your own ancestors is relative recency. ________________________________________ Nothing is 'bugging' me... I thought, I was just in a discussion on 'illegal immigration'. With over 12,000,000 illegal Hispanics in this country you say that? I have nothing against Hispanics. I have had, over the years friends, who are Hispanic. I've been to their homes and they've been to mine. Surprisingly, many of them (either born here or naturalized) share my feelings. Playing the Native American card doesn't cut it. It is only the idea of being here illegally that I don't care for. I don't care if they are Martians! It just so happens, the majority of illegals are Hispanic. Chuck

We should deport them to Australia, or if the Aussies wont take them then to the penal colonies in the Province of Georgia. ____________________________ Why, Australia? Better yet... re-open Devils Island!!! Chuck

That goes in both directions. Especially with pedophiles and drug addicts. We get a lot of US individuals involved in child pornography/child abuse, and many of the drug addicts and mentally ill people that walk the streets in Tijuana are American. Enrique __________________________________ Exactly! Why, would Mexico, want our perverts, addicts, criminals and the like. I damned sure, don't blame you for thinking that way. Maybe, we could work-out a trade! Seriously. We should trade even-up. Chuck

"Catholics, line 1. Baptists, line 2. Hindus, line 3..." "The correct religion is... line 45,322 - Church of the Reformation 1531 Redeemers. All the rest of use exit door 8." _______________________________ There ya' go! That there's funny! i don't care who you are. Chuck

__________________________________ Now, somebody's thinking. You don't suppose, that idea is too simle for the politicians to grasp do you? Seriously. it sounds like a good idea. Rather than spend the money on huge fences along the border... build immigration offices. Keep the Border Patrol to make sure that everyone wanting to enter, passes through the offices. Then too, with your idea, maybe, more folks would consider going to an immigration office than fighting the desert. Chuck

It's gotta be good. The local preacher gets a rent-free house, a free car, and a stack of cash. What's the downside? If someone f-s up, you just remind them that you told them not to steal. "Today's sermon will be pretty short because we discussed a commandment for each of the last 10 Sundays. There's been no new ones, so just drop some cash and take off." ___________________________________ Ain't that the truth! Catholics, have all those Rosaries and Our Father's to say... oh yeah... a big donation really helps too! I'd hate like hell, to reach the Pearly Gates and be told that none of that stuff works... you're goin' down! All those donations for nothin'! Chuck

My hairdresser is Vietnamese. Apparently her sister has been on a list for 17 years. I think you could say she's following the system. She has no sympathy whatsoever with the illegals. So that's one point of view. Personally, I think 17 years is an appalling length of time. Wendy W. ___________________________________ I would have to agree! That is, a bit of a stretch. The thing I really appreciate about the lady is... she is doing it legally! Chuck

__________________________________ I think, you have some pretty good ideas. By getting a 'fix' on those entering this country, I mean by, getting I.D., backgrounds, criminal checks and etc. Too bad, you couldn't get withyour Congress man and share some of your ideas... I'm serious. You know, I wonder, just how those folks like your relatives and ancestors, who come to this country legally feel about those who sneak into this country and just take, what they worked so hard for? Chuck Chuck

Perhaps, but don't confuse that with "the majority of Hispanics are illegal", because that just ain't so. ___________________________________ With fake papers, it is hard to tell. Chuck

_______________________________________ You have some good ideas! I do believe, we need to get control of our borders and get a better 'fix' on who enters. The way it is now, anyone can cross into this country, assimilate and get lost in the crowd. As we know, we have acquired a great number of criminals from across the border. We've also gotten some good, hard workers. We are also, realizing 'new' cases of diseases that we had wiped-out, years ago. It's kinda' funny. You mentioned 'making it easier for those who want to work to come here'. The politicians, want to make it harder for them to enter 'legally'. Where's the 'happy medium'? Chuck

___________________________________ There's big money in 'faith'! I kinda pissed a preacher off, one day. I asked him how the God business was? Chuck

If you're only referring to 'ILLEGAL' immigrants, why did you say this in your previous post? __________________________ As it happens, the majority of illegals are Hispanic. Chuck

More reading on the subject. It's ill-informed remarks like the above, imo, that characterize the anti-immigration position. _______________________________ I read what you posted. Once again, the author is confusing 'legal' immigrants with 'illegal' immigrants. I'm referring to 'ILLEGAL' immigrants. I wish to God, folks would get that straight. Get your facts straight then, come back and we'll discus it. Chuck Chuck Come on, Chuck. You know and I know most of the arguments made on behalf of illegal aliens don't hold water if you separate them from the arguments for all immigrants. ________________________________ I wasn't trying to be 'ugly' about this, at all. I just get upset when I read or hear some of the crap that is written or in the news, about the subject. I've seen things first-hand and listened to folks. Most of the arguments for the 'illegals' is mostly 'pie-in-the-sky' and bleedin' heart thinking. The fact of the matter is, we have a problem that is over 40-yrs. old and just now, are we wanting to do something about it. We've had laws on the books to try to control illegal immigration but, in recent years, we've been saddled with 'catch and release'. Oh, I'm trying to keep it 'real', too! Chuck

More reading on the subject. It's ill-informed remarks like the above, imo, that characterize the anti-immigration position. _______________________________ I read what you posted. Once again, the author is confusing 'legal' immigrants with 'illegal' immigrants. I'm referring to 'ILLEGAL' immigrants. I wish to God, folks would get that straight. Get your facts straight then, come back and we'll discus it. Chuck Chuck

Case in point, that's an ill-informed remark. When hordes of laborers throng across the border, who do you think gets hired to manage them? This paper analyzes the effect of immigrant nannies on wage income on natives. Brush up on your Spanish. Many of the problems are caused by the laws themselves. Our immigration laws are damaging to our economy and to our society. Illegal immigrants are people too, much the same as people who already live here. They suffer many of the same trappings of crime and poverty as existing residents. Would you favor deporting the poor? That's an unsupportable conclusion. Economics applies the same to that time period as today. There are different demographics, different incomes, different politics and different technologies today, but that does not disqualify the economics. Well I suppose the politics will cause some people to just shut off their minds, but such people are ignorant. ____________________________________ I don't know where you get your information but, come down here and live for awhile on the Southwest Border! That bullshit about 'illegals' taking only minnimum wage jobs is just that... bullshit! Big business has bought-off the politicians to get what they want and make their wallets even fatter and the hell with the rest. Check-out the big auto makers up North where you are. Check-out the good paying jobs, such as construction and the like. Then, come-back and tell me how many of those high-paid workers are Hispanic! The way it works is, they get a ride across the border and straight to Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, Millwaukee and etc. They don't want the veggi-picking jobs... they want what you and everyone else wants... the big bucks. Many of the supervisors are Spanish speakers so, no problema. If, you'd quit reading the biased crap that is written on the subject and get out into the 'world' and see for yourself, you just might see, how it really is. Chuck

______________________________ Aw, crap! I'll report back! Chuck

Once again, I see the use of 'immigrant' rather than 'illegal immigrant'. I am in favor of legal immigration. Yes, it's good, it's great! I'm just tired of the sneakin' illegals who cross our borders and we don't know shit about them. They join gangs, they damage property getting into this country they take good jobs away from U.S. Citizens for lower pay and etc. They are stealing 'legal' immigration and they need to be dealt with. I know many, 3rd., 5th. generation people of Mexican descent who are citizens of the United States, who feel the same way I do and who are mad about the fact that more isn't done about 'ILLEGAL' immigrants! Those folks are mad because of the insults 'they' recieve because of the 'illegal' immigrants. I've been around the situation and have seen it first hand. Whatever happened in the 1920's, was a different time in our history. We also, weren't getting as crowded as we are today. This, is a whole new ball game. Chuck