RhondaLea

I think you, bill and unformed should stand in a circle and shoot each other. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

All of you stop. Now. I mean it. I can't stand it anymore. I've never seen more trolls in a thread than I've seen in this one, and my brain is starting to buzz. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

What am I gonna do with you? rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

The real reply is up above. I just had the weirdest thing happen with my browser, and when I tried to refresh, I ended up posting a post that was just bill's comment and Richards' reply, without my response (which had already been posted). It was strange. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

No, he is merely trying to improve his property and you have a simple dispute which you can take to the city council. In the other case there was a deliberate pattern of harrassment so parking in front of his house (instead of their own) could be seen as harrassment. I am not saying that what he did was right by any means. I am merely saying that we need to hear his side before we label him a wingnut (I presume you want to give him due process). If there was a pattern of harrassment and intimidation, and a jury finds that they where deliberately harrassing him on the night in question then thay could take that into account when deciding whether they want to convict him of murder or a lesser charge. I always advocate walking away from violence but if you are being harrassed in your own home (I don't know if that is the case, it will take a jury to decide that) and threatened,it can take a terrible psychological toll on a person as there is no-where to walk away to. I am just saying the mans side of the story should be heard before we declare him a psycho. I have dealt with stalking victims before and have seen how much stalkers can psychologically wear a person down. Again neither you or I know the whole story so I feel we should let the jury decide on this one. Richards If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

If we're still talking about bozo's story, they jury convicted him and sent him to jail. Define harassment. Playing loud music? Parking on a public street in front of a house that's not your own? What, exactly? To use Scott's example in different way, what happens when one of the neighbors comes to the dropzone and starts shooting the skydivers because the jump plane flies over his house making so much goddam noise? If you hate where you live, move. I don't care if you "can't afford it." Move anyway. That's a whole lot better than killing people who annoy you. BTW, the man wasn't being harassed "in [his] own home," but outside it...and he shot them on the street, not coming through his door. If you give me an instance where someone has come into the home of another and gotten himself shot, I'm probably going to be on the side of the shooter. But when you're talking about people outside your four walls, well, forget it. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Then maybe you should shoot them. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

As is fatherhood. No disagreement there. If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Women do what they must to survive, but motherhood is a full-time job, and those who fail to recognize that...well... I was a single mother, and I worked full-time in an office. My daughter and I missed out on a lot--school events, time together. And I certainly didn't have any time for myself. We don't stop being people just because we're parents, Scoop, even if we have a tough row to hoe. Someday, when you have kids of your own, get back to me on this. In the meantime, I suggest that if someone tells you she is a homemaker, writing down "unemployed" is poor policework. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

He was a real bad kid. http://news.communitypress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060322/NEWS01/603220320/1078/Local And apparently he was in his own yard when he was shot. http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=6678 If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Ask me again when you shoot someone for walking on it. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Unless I miss my guess, our friend "unformed" began this thread with misunderstood irony and is continuing to egg everyone on just because it's an interesting study. But I could be wrong. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

You're declaring that the guy is a "nut case" based on his actions and in his caring for his lawn in a news report. The same could easily be said about skydivers/BASE jumpers by a lay person in the general public reading about an incident related to skydiving/BASE jumping . I am not comparing what he did to anything, only your reason for labeling him a nut case. There's no harm in being a nut case, generally. If the man wants to obsess about his lawn, it's fine. When he shoots and kills a 15-year old boy for walking on said lawn, his obsession has become pathological, and he is a danger to others. If a skydiver presents a danger to others related to skydiving, then those others have an argument, but most of the time, skydivers do not pose a danger to anyone but themselves. I understand what you're trying to say, but my reason for labeling him a nut case relates to my experiences in dealing with control freaks and the elderly, along with a random read of some of the additional articles (google gave me 219 from which to choose) about this incident. (More than a few of these articles characterized the dead boy as "a good kid" not as a "neighbor harasser.") IMO, behaving outside the norm does not make a person crazy. Shooting someone for walking on your lawn, however, is a pretty good indicator that you are not thinking clearly. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I reached my limit, and I moved out. Some people have a shorter fuse and a greater sense of entitlement. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I don't see your analogy as being comparable. But about this case, we won't know the answer until the requisite mental evaluation is done on this guy, so I'm not going to argue it further without additional data. But I will say that up until last week, I did an awful lot of work with older people, and my take is that control freaks generally get weirder as they age. It is not unusual for them to become totally obsessive and paranoid. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Killing three people for drinking beer and playing loud music just doesn't cut it with me. There were more than a few times when I thought it would be very satisfying to push my drunken roommate down the stairs (it would've taken no more than a tap), but it was a thought that I would never put into action, even though I admit to moments of being driven nearly insane by the kinds of behavior I lived with. There have been plenty of times in my life that I have wished certain people dead. They haven't had the grace to accomodate me, but I've never felt that it was up to me to make my dreams come true. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm thinkin' of ya. It'll be over soon. But it's never soon enough. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm here. In New Jersey. It's cold. And although I just finished packing three days ago, I now have to unpack all of it. I'm thinking of getting back in the car and driving...somewhere else. Somewhere warmer. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

After my experience with you here I remain open minded that your neighbor could tell a very sympathetic story. It may be that his neighbor can tell a very sympathetic story, but a threat to poison my dog would lead me straight to the telephone to call the police. If the animal is a nuisance, then there are ways to deal with it, none of which involve injuring an animal. People who shoot children and threaten their neighbors and their pets are kooks, IMO. But I'm glad we disagree on this, at least. I was beginning to think I was about to be assimilated. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-11,GGLJ:en&ncl=http://www.iol.co.za/index.php%3Fset_id%3D1%26click_id%3D22%26art_id%3Dqw1142977693294B223&hl=en This isn't political reporting (although I suppose some people will turn it into something political). A man shot a 15-year old boy who was outside his house. Not inside his house. Not on his front step. Not one time. On his lawn. Twice. If he's not mentally unstable, I'll eat your socks. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm surprised at you, RL. I didn't expect you to form fixed opinions of strangers after reading a sensational psuedo-article like this one. We'll have to wait and see, LJ. I'm well aware that newspapers don't generally report the facts very accurately, but regardless of the words used or the slant, certain things jump out at me. I think this time, I'll stick by my bet on the state of this man's mental health. Just a feeling. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

A man who measures his grass and gets into disputes with the neighbors about people walking on his "perfect" lawn is strange in the head. He's a nut case. Wait and see. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

Dude, TOTALLY!! () 'K, that's 2, 2 Rebecca worshippers! Ah ah ah! Anyone else? Well, you've always had me. And I suspect that if GTA were reading this thread, you'd be able to add him to your list of worshippers too. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I'm very sorry for your loss. There's no such thing as "just a ferret." They're like little people, and they're more fun than ordinary human beings should be allowed to have. My Farley died several years ago, and I still miss him. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

I haven't been keeping up, but a quick scan has revealed several instances of the above. I know a lot of gay men who are not at all feminine. They are quite wholly male except that they choose male sex partners. I've never seen any research that indicates that gays generally have less testosterone as adults than their straight counterparts. So I'm not sure that the use of feminine and masculine are appropriate in this context. Something very complex is at work in all this, because as men age and their testosterone levels decrease, they do become more like women (in some ways), just as aging women experience an increase in testosterone and become more like men. But I haven't noticed that sexual "preferences" change as a result. I think we need to be very careful how we characterize our biology. "Masculine" and "feminine" just don't seem to work in this discussion. rl If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb