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Well, you were very intense-certain about your theory. I seem to recall you saying it was OBVIOUS!!!!! the tie showed smearing consistent with wiping. At least as serious as you are now denying ...... it was your idea. I wondered at the time why Kaye had missed what was so obvious to you! You posted several photos documenting your theory. Your claim that I said Cooper used the tie to wipe everything is false, you made it up. I suggested he may have used the tie to try to wipe his prints. Is this a new riddle? "Your claim that I said Cooper used the tie to wipe everything is false, you made it up. I suggested he may have used the tie to try to wipe his prints." Since prints are on surfaces of things, how do you wipe prints without wiping surfaces and areas ...................... Or is this a grift or graft or cock-n-bull ?

Did Cooper swallow? Use his bladder? Walk on to the plane? What will you allow Cooper to be and do ?

Why would "I" make up your posts about using the tie to wipe .................. you posted photos showing what you said is evidence of using the tie to wipe .................... make up your mind ! Nothing you post should be taken seriously.

I thought you said Coop[er wiped his prints off everything, using the tie ? You have changed your mind ?

Dr. Meyer Louie and I went through the dairy runoff settling pond (which is just over the bank from Tena Bar) about 10 years ago with metal detectors Meyer told me about this, at length. Meyer was a dedicated researcher ......... I still have three boxes of sand he collected! I keep them almost as a memorial. FWIW Meyer did extensive searching at the wing dam north of Tena Bar. I know you and Meyer worked closely together. Meyer told me he enjoyed every moment working with you. He had great respect for you.

any approximate dates in this theory ?

I think thats exactly right...

My impression is from what I recall, he was a serious person. Globe wanted their money back. He did a thorough search. Somebody seriously thought Cooper had dropped into Lake Merwin. That is where things fell apart ... no body, no parachute, no money. BTW Ive been reading up on how/when sand is actually deposited at Tena Bar. Daily high tides deliver 'nothing'! Its unlikely the money could have been covered by that. If the money was covered by the same event that brought it to TBar, what event is that and when if high tides do cover what they deliver ? The premise is 'the event that brought the money to TBar had to also cover it from sight' ?

Did he bill it ... ?

The guy with the private submarine. After technical problems he found and saw nothing ...

MaYBE 3.9 miles!

No. Provide one person who was actually involved in the packaging of the money who says paper straps were used.

works for me... congrats Ryan! I assume it meets Brian's test ....

The bands Chauc used may be too large. I think the bank bands were smaller-thinner. Good post. Jeez that a large 'bundle'-stack of bills. I have no problem believing that paper straps would break! Straps are flimsy at best and have no flexibility whatever!

Ask Brian about the actual chain of events. Brian has been forthcoming and participated in CC24 .... and I think he and Ryan have worked closely together. Ryan may know more about the actual chain of events etc.

Precisely what the Ingrams did ie washing and cleaning the money, is almost entirely 'rumor' and 'anecdotal' and only subject to speculation in the public domain! Only a few people talked to Pat or Harold Ingram about this. The official photo of 12 groups turned in by the Ingrams pretty much tells the story... what Im saying is: any criticism of the Ingrams is highly premature and probably pointless or untrue! Preservation and restoration was uppermost in their minds at the time. The Ingrams recovered wet mush and preserved it for posterity!

Interesting. I talked to Tom this afternoon. So far as I know, Tom has not changed his opinion. Tom does NOT believe 'the money rolled along the bottom of the River.' Tom has your email and may reply to you, but Tom is very busy preparing for a trip etc. Tom stressed today that the bills were not constrained or compressed in the middle - diatoms were able to enter the middle of the bundles - bundles were compressed near the ends probably due to rubber bands at those locations which constrained diatom entry. Has anyone done any tests with bank straps? Tom hasn't. Tom did not do any strap tests because at the time straps were not part of the money packaging scenario. I know one person who has started doing tests with tests in pond water but this is brand new. The straps have not dissolved and after a week dont appear to be dissolving.They have swelled very slightly. They have become opaque. I mentioned this to Tom today. I suggested to Tom today that if straps were part of the packaging perhaps by the time the Ingram encountered the money 'the straps or strap remains' might not have even been visible or identifiable! Tom laughed and remarked: 'that might be a distinct possibility'. Tom remarked that the Ingrams engaged in a serious cleaning effort and any remains of straps might have been washed away. I would invite anyone who wants to do some strap tests, since straps are now a part of the Cooper discussion. On a personal note I applaud Tom for making an effort to stay current and respond to people. Tom makes announcements and is staying current.

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Good question. Tom knows _ see his website.

Nobody is trying to do anything to you! Never have been. Why all the paranoia ?

Have you talked top Carr about this? Didnt he interview a bank employee (or two)? Carr's issue at the time was paper straps vs bands. Carr called Brian and Pat about this but I thought he found a bank employee (security guard? who was there during the packaging) and was told 'bands only'. Does Carr have information you arent aware of? Talk to him - see what he says. Something is missing from this debate. Why is Larry not a part of this debate?

Thanks but I am not, never have been, wedded to ANY theory.

smile... Thank you Tom. And thank you Nick! Well done!! Happy Day for Bacteria !

Thanks. I remember that now.

Now that wasnt difficult after all !!!!! So its some reporters version vs Palmer;s own words. Things never turn out to be quite what you claim ? .............. its DB Cooper!