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193 listed 20.13 x 9,59. 176 is closer. Have a little guy test jump it? I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

I took a look through PPM Vol II and couldn't find anything that matched. COE? Of course you could always call Ralph. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

PD didn't make a 210 7 cell, They made a 176, 193, and 218, (plus others) They did have a 210 nine cell but the span was 23' The size of the 176 was published in 1993 as 19.22 x 9,15. I have a 1995 PD-260 and their part number was simply 260-c. Are there logos on the end cells? Most canopies had something there. If not are there stitch holes where they were removed? I can't find or think of any 7 cell F-111 canopy that was called 210 in 1993. Using my excellent reference ParaGear catalog. Not sure how long GQ made X-210's. Here is a ling to the manual for the reserve version. http://www.parachutemanuals.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=40&func=startdown&id=436 Cord not quite right but different folks measure differenly, It's not too far off. See if the lines spec in the manual match. They would be different than most stuff. Buying from Ralph was always tough. You were never quite sure what you were going to get. I hate questions like this because I spend two hours trying to figure it out! BTW if you can return it you probably should. Clearly not a "PD 210". Or dispute it with ebay, paypal or credit card. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Of course I've yet to see a new canopy come with the lines daisy chained. There are other methods. And I can believe someone in the business of selling used gear wouldn't advocate using line cards. They're not useless for new canopies or other canopies not on links. They give a starting point and eliminate the need to sort out all of the lines not on links. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

You can't. Before ZP canopies wore out by becoming porous and their flight characteristics degrading. We rarely replaced lines because the dacron line lasted the life of the canopy fabric. Roughly 700-1000 jumps. Now, canopies made out of ZP material can last thousands of jumps and need several line sets. One that is jumped in the grass, always bagged, never left in the sun and with new lines might have 500 jumps or 1500 jumps. I doubt I could tell. Other things like DOM of the canopy and the rig it is in might add a clue. Fading of the canopy fabric also might add some hints. But neon fabric can fade quickly and my 1997 sabre neon rainbow with 800-1000 jumps essentially hasn't faded at all. Wear on other parts, bags, PC,s etc might also help. But all of these could be replaced. The wear on the label might give a hint but it would still be guess work and depend on the conditions where jumped. And with ZP canopies it may not matter. The difference between 500 and 1000 jumps may simply be the need or not for new lines, bag or PC. Don't misunderstand me. An abused canopy might go from worthy for purchase to junk in that 500 jumps. But it may have another 1000 left in it. Overall condition of the fabric, tapes, lines and other components may be the real decision criteria instead of absolute number of jumps. BTW I've never known anyone (other than me) to overestimate the number of jumps. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Don't like any. with only fly or flight in the name whuffo's will think airplanes. I put in Euro Body Flight I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

At least they have someone who will ground them. Although there have been indications this may change for the last 13 years the FAA has been unwilling to issue airworthiness directives for parachutes. Last one was for the amp fittings on Vectors in 1999. When I found a problem with Quasar's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d39xqpKPX_w Ted Strong was quick to react but the service bulletin did not have the force of law. I expect there are still Quasar's with steel 'flingers' out there. I know other manufacturers have wanted AD's but were unable to get them because a parachute was no longer considered an appliance and only aircraft, engines, propellers and appliances could have AD's. Other question, main in or main out? I know many riggers (most?) in the U.S. who routinely pull the main out before firing the reserve. Some changed their practice after seeing the above video. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Again, the DZ may/will have suits for you too wear. They may be a little big but most of that will be under the harness. Remember, when you really skydive you'll have lots of webbing/container holding the body tight. Your AFF instructors will be able to guide you about suit drag when you get into AFF. Custom suit might take you 6 to 8 weeks or more anyway. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

It may take you all winter to find a complete rig or to piece a rig together. IIRC Germany has a mandatory maximum life on gear? The used gear available may be less and it may take awhile to find something. And depending on what rental is in Germany you may be better off getting your own to resell. 40 jumps at $25 in the U.S. is $1000. The price of an older used container First I wouldn't take gear advice from someone with 60 jumps. We used to have those folks around the dropzone and had to correct all the wrong information they gave students. You can get a used H/C that will hold a 190 on the full side and a 170 just about right. IF you have a lot of gear available either in Germany/Europe or willing to purchase from here you can put a rig together. Harness containers tend to take a fair amount of abuse from newbies. If I bought anything new it would be a reserve and AAD. The reserve should be fit to your size, and then the container fit to the reserve. The AAD can move to your next container or be sold for the appropriate price. After your done with the 190/170 or decide to stay with a 170 but get custom gear you can either sell the reserve with the rig or move it to your new container. When you go to a 170 where you might stay for awhile you could buy that new custom. Then buy a new container when able /available. If you decide to downsize drastically you may have to compromise on the reserve size. You may not be able to fit a large enough reserve in a rig that would hold a little hot rod swoop canopy. What this usually means is if you land unconscious under this small reserve you may not survive. So buy a reserve that is appropriate for your size AND will work in a container that holds a 170 comfortably and a 190 full. Buy an AAD. Buy a used container (a container/reserve combination or even a complete 190 rig may be easier to find) Buy a well used 190 ZP canopy. When ready sell the 190 and buy a newer or new 170. Used if your headed smaller before 500 jumps. When I was at an active but smaller dropzone we had a lot of rigs that got sold from newbie to the next newbie. Some went through four or five owners before they either became to old or to obsolete. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

i once tried to dock on a balloon suit. Like trying to palm a basket ball. No grippers. I finally pinched the binding tape at the cuff between two fingers. Only thing I could get a hold of. Didn't know grippers went back this far. My first custom jump suit in 1982 didn't have them. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

No, that's for the rigger's CUSTOMER! The rigger isn't the one going to die. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Now you have to patch it before you make it your regular main. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Wait till you land under that 126 unconscious. That will be tough. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

What was exit weight? I looked for years for a Phantom 28 that was cheap enough. I finally found one and jumped it in 2005, with about 240 lb exit weight. I planned on landing in the grass but hit the pea gravel. Was glad I did. Hadn't jumped a round since I busted up my leg in 1987 and put on a bunch of weight using a cane. I've got it and several others ready for jumping. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Remember, you don't have to buy a complete rig. You can buy individual components to make up what you want. You do need good advice from a good rigger or instructor. I don't know what's that like in the U.K. but there is lots of BAD advice available in the U.S. And if you buy something new you don't need to buy everything new. You might as well buy an AAD new. That you can move to your next rig. Your reserve shouldn't change much unless you go from normal to low bulk. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Okay, they're paying $10,000 to the FAA so they aren't fined more. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

In the quote above from Relative Work Underground it was the Richmond Festival in 1972. And boogie was what someone did during the jump. But all before my time. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Four excerpts from Pat Work's "United We Fall". http://users.cis.fiu.edu/~esj/uwf/uwf.html ALL newbies should read this The first is from Fall 1972 and refers to the Richmond RW Festival. Talks about boogieing at night. The second is from March 1973 and refers to the Bayou Boogie but I don't think it's a skydiving event yet. The third is from June '73 and refers to 'boogie goggles". And jockey goggles. The norm for many years and still for me are Kroop googles which were really designed for and still used by Jockeys. I would have thought that boogie googles WERE Kroop googles. Pat if you read this what were Boogie googles? The fourth refers to boogies as fast action jumps, or different style of jumping. 1973. A couple of different places Pat is referring to boogies as events in 1975. Chime in Pat.

PM Peek, Gary Peek on here. His college Jean Potvin (sp) has a very large collection of ejection seats. He may be able to help. Update, Here's Jean's email jeanpotvin@sbcglobal.net potvinj user on dz.com I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Demilled stuff on ebay all the time. Don't know what you can't find. There are both round and ram air military canopies on ebay right now for under $100, some under $50. They don't get much cheaper. Or go to http://www.govliquidation.com/ and type in parachute. You can by them by the pallet. Amazingly I just did and there aren't any current auctions. There will be soon. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Some thing is wrong. Much too cheap for 50 jumps on any component, let alone if it's 50 on all. More information is needed. The AAD must either be expired or not approved for that container (some have a hard life limit, some a soft life expectation and some are not approved and some are not worth having). Even discounting the AAD it's STILL too cheap for 50 jumps. More information is needed to know what's up. Oldest spectre could be is 97 but rig and reserve could be much older. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

83 container, 97 harness, and probably and 57 canopy. And this is cheap compared to what some of the aviation dealer want for this stuff. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

96 sq. ft.? There are NO old canopies that are that small. Anything that isn't a zp pocket rocket like a velocity was never that small. Closest is some of the smallest reserves that probably still have value as airworthy. Besides a dirty ram air canopy isn't particularly decorative. Try a demilled never issued military C-9 round and cover the ceiling too. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

When you have a Class 7, an electronic bar tacker, a 308 zig zag (maybe that was in there), 3 walking foot machine along with a needle feed, and a 31-15 just because it's on a real nice wooden table, along with the regular zig-zag, double needle and straight stitch machine. THEN we'll talk. Other than upgrading the double needle to a split bar version I'm actually done for now. The most machines I've seen outside of a manufacturer is MEL's shop. When I was there 2 Juki 1900's, 3 mechanical (maybe 4) bar tackers, 2 Consew class 7's, and 10 or 15 other machines set up ready to go. Then he talked about his warehouse of machines. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE

Here is one on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute-/310185888601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4838850b59 They are routinely put up for sale at prices like this and higher. I don't know how often they find a sucker. It's not something I'd ever recommend to a civilian pilot. IF someone wanted to be cheap but legal and could find a rigger that would pack it I'd tell them to spend $150 on one as old as yours. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE