Gravitymaster

If they went through all the trouble to engineer a scandal, why would they engineer one that made them look bad? Why not engineer one that makes someone else look bad? Either your theory is completely stupid, or Obama is a genius beyond recognition. Gosh Dan, are those our only 2 choices?

You apparently approve of Obamas extension of the Patriot Act. Obamas version is Bush x 100. Nice you are ok with that. You do support drone strikes on Americans, right? Just as you support the IRS targeting groups based on their political leanings.

Where does that Buck Stop, again? I believe I can find numerous times during Bush's term that you used this meme.

What OX is that? You are rambling this morning. Everything OK?

How's that Hope and Change you voted for working out? I guess it's not OK to waterboard terrorists but OK to launch drone strikes on American Citizens without due process. You BDS is in full delusional mode today, I see.

Will they get free Obamacare?

You funny. Completely wrong, but none the less funny with your pathetic arguments.

Indeed - in 2000 and 2008. You implicitly supported the Patriot Act right up until it came back and bit you in the arse. WTF did you expect? Lots of us ARE on record against it. But not you nor gravitymaster. Your whining now smacks of hypocrisy. So, what is done about it now? Seeing that this admin has yet again unilateraly extended its power beyond the law Nothing? Because it is Bush's fault? Come on John Forget it, BDS prevents the infected from ever admitting they are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU You're the one who voted for Obama. Quite trying to blame Bush.

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus'.

Where I live, we also pay personal property taxes, but it goes towards school funding, not road maintenance. Much of road maintenance comes from sales taxes, though, IIRC. School funding comes mostly from real estate taxes, here.

Road use taxes should go as the cube of the axle weight in order to accurately pay for the damage caused to roads. Shouldn't depend on the power source. I'd be fine with that. It might reduce the subsidization I provide for motorists as I pedal from point A to point B, paying far more in road maintenance than justified by the wear and tear I cause to the roads I use. Where I live, some of the taxes we pay are based on a vehicles value. Thus, someone driving an old clunker that leaks oil and spews smoke into the air, pays less than someone driving a new, fuel efficient Honda Civic.

Indeed - in 2000 and 2008. You implicitly supported the Patriot Act right up until it came back and bit you in the arse. WTF did you expect? Lots of us ARE on record against it. But not you nor gravitymaster. Your whining now smacks of hypocrisy. Actually your support of the current Admins policies smacks of hypocrisy. All you are doing is looking for someone else to blame. Your ilk voted for him, so you own his policies. (Waiting for a left winger to chime in and toss the race card)

Maybe because it was decades before I was born YOU, however, were around in October 2001 when GWB signed the "Patriot" Act. Interesting to see that BDS is alive and well and that you continue to support an administration that has put the Patriot Act on steroids. You did support the "Current Administration" didn't you? Or should I say "do currently support". Mostly I just oppose the GOP agenda. Why don't YOU provide us a link to a post in which YOU went on record opposed to the Patriot Act. It's irrelevant. You are supporting an admin that has taken the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. I "hope" you are proud of the "change" that you currently support. Translation - GM is NOT on record, pre Obama, as opposing the Patriot Act. Your faux outrage impresses not at all. Translation-Kallend supports an Admin that uses the Constitution as toilet paper. Your faux attempts to blame Me and Bush do not impress at all. In fact, it's rather pathetic IMO. Want to discuss Able Danger? Nice attempt at deflection. I am on record in opposition to the Patriot Act in all its forms - unlike you. You support your King, don't you? I haven't heard you speak out against him.

It's like blaming the previous owner of your car for a collision you had, even though you pimped the car out and increased the engine to 600hp. This argument is pretty silly

Maybe because it was decades before I was born YOU, however, were around in October 2001 when GWB signed the "Patriot" Act. Interesting to see that BDS is alive and well and that you continue to support an administration that has put the Patriot Act on steroids. You did support the "Current Administration" didn't you? Or should I say "do currently support". Mostly I just oppose the GOP agenda. Why don't YOU provide us a link to a post in which YOU went on record opposed to the Patriot Act. It's irrelevant. You are supporting an admin that has taken the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. I "hope" you are proud of the "change" that you currently support. Translation - GM is NOT on record, pre Obama, as opposing the Patriot Act. Your faux outrage impresses not at all. Translation-Kallend supports an Admin that uses the Constitution as toilet paper. Your faux attempts to blame Me and Bush do not impress at all. In fact, it's rather pathetic IMO. Want to discuss Able Danger?

Maybe because it was decades before I was born YOU, however, were around in October 2001 when GWB signed the "Patriot" Act. Interesting to see that BDS is alive and well and that you continue to support an administration that has put the Patriot Act on steroids. You did support the "Current Administration" didn't you? Or should I say "do currently support". Mostly I just oppose the GOP agenda. Why don't YOU provide us a link to a post in which YOU went on record opposed to the Patriot Act. It's irrelevant. You are supporting an admin that has taken the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. I "hope" you are proud of the "change" that you currently support.

Maybe because it was decades before I was born YOU, however, were around in October 2001 when GWB signed the "Patriot" Act. Interesting to see that BDS is alive and well and that you continue to support an administration that has put the Patriot Act on steroids. You did support the "Current Administration" didn't you? Or should I say "do currently support".

I don't recall you opposing the first traffic light. Now look what's happened. Think of all the gasoline and productivity that's been lost. Why oh, why didn't you see this coming?

I am amazed at how some on this board are unable to grasp the fact that the scope of the original Patriot Act has changed and what's going on today is unrecognizable. It's almost as if some are looking for false self-validation for some reason. Strange. How many GOP senators and congressmen voted for the original act? How many voted for its renewal? How many posters to this forum spoke out against it when it was passed? NOT YOU! I'm reminded of someone I know I'll call "Timmy" Timmy loves to look at current events and proclaim, "I knew that would happen". He's also known to make all kinds of "predictions" many of which turn out to be untrue, but he likes to ignore those and only focus on the ones that are true. Pretty pathetic of "Timmy" isn't it? Have you ever known someone like "Timmy"?

Road use taxes should go as the cube of the axle weight in order to accurately pay for the damage caused to roads. Shouldn't depend on the power source. Agreed.

I am amazed at how some on this board are unable to grasp the fact that the scope of the original Patriot Act has changed and what's going on today is unrecognizable. It's almost as if some are looking for false self-validation for some reason. Strange.

First of all, I never said Bush manipulated the intel. In fact, it's a pretty well proven fact that he was fed manipulated intel. THAT, my friend, is the issue. It might surprise you to know that I happen to agree with you on the point that Bush received bad intel. I jumped into this thread when the bullshit claim was made that Bush "Cherry-picked" the intel. I then posted a link to many in the Clinton admin making the claim tha Iraq had WMDs and asked what intel they "Cherry- picked".

Show me the history book that says he launched an invasion over it. What's that got to do with your ridiculous claim that Bush manipulated intel? I also love how you left wingers blame Bush for all this bad intel 8 months into his Presidency tey absolve Obama for anything nearly 5 years in. Want to go back and discuss how Jamie Gorelick devastated American Intel? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/apr/15/20040415-094758-5267r/ Seriously, get over your BDS.