snowmman

Yeah, you made fun of me, out there pouring 6 ft thick 10k psi concrete with #9 rebar in the cold and rain. but today I read http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/license-kill-intelligence-chief-us-american-terrorist/story?id=9740491 "The director of national intelligence affirmed rather bluntly today that the U.S. intelligence community has authority to target American citizens for assassination if they present a direct terrorist threat to the United States." Note that before they were debating the legitimacy of assassination of US citizens on non-US soil. As far as I can tell, they're making no difference between US and non-US soil assassinations of US citizens. When the stimulus money starts putting Predator drones in the hands of North Dakota county sheriffs, don't come crawling to me looking for a seat in the bunker. The survivalists have it right. They just misidentified the source of the missles. Somehow though, I find comfort in knowing that the end will come with a 20 year old with a itchy finger on the joystick on the other side, staring at a monitor, slamming a Mountain Dew with the other hand, having been well trained on a Xbox 360. "We don't target people for free speech. We target them for taking action that threatens Americans." What, he's saying free speech isn't a threat? Bullshit. Free speech and free thinking is a threat to the American way of life. Isn't it weird that he feels compelled to say he's not going to kill someone for what they say? As if he's thought about it, and decided not to...like it was on the table? I would hope there's a whole list of reasons why they don't target people. But I don't know. Maybe speech is the only safe thing? Is that what he's saying? I guess some Wall Street assassinations are being planned. Toyota also. What about the GM guys? shouldn't they have been taken out, not just fired? "The homegrown radicalization of people in the United States…is a relatively new thing" Uh, what was going on in the '60s? People got killed then.

on Flare guns I liked the story my friend tells. We had a common crazy-guy friend. They were driving around and fired off a flare gun and lit some guy's lawn on fire. But the hair-raiser happened before that. My friend is riding passenger in the front seat and reaches down and pulls up the flare pistol and says "what's this?" and points it at the driver...the driver nervously says to put it down, because he had it loaded with a shotgun shell. Do shotgun shells of some size fit in the normal flare pistols? I always wondered about that story.

ok this is weird timing, I had casually mentioned Bucky the cat, but his story unexpectedly ended this week. Bucky had this growth on his leg bone that grew dramatically this last week, doctor said cancer (kidney issues too), so we put him to sleep. He was 14-15 years old. Was the oldest animal in the house. Although I'm not a cat person, he was a nice cat. Kind of small because the mom was feral I guess. The litter was just him and Molly. My daughter named them both. They were apparently from different male cats (that happens) even though they were the same litter. Molly was a manx, no tail. Bucky was a dusty white with brown tiger-like stripes, with tail. I don't think we've ever had pets from birth..all ours our from someone else. Except Bucky and Molly. So here's Bucky birth story... My wife had always liked to joke that whenever she went away, things went haywire. Well she left on some trip somewhere, and we had this rental house at the time. I must have left the garage door open or something, but one morning I opened the middle drawer in the dresser to get some jeans...and there was a bunch of fur. Half asleep I quickly slid the drawer closed again and tried to wake up my brain.."Did I just imagine that?" I opened the drawer again, and the mom cat jumped out and ran out the door. I thought "That's weird". Then I thought I had seen something else. I opened the drawer again, and there were two kittens. I guess somehow I had left the drawer open, and the mom cat had come in with her kittens into the bedroom while I was sleeping and climbed in the drawer with them (carrying each in her mouth). And I must have closed the drawer at some time. In any case, I thought I had to reconnect them, and put them in a box in the garage, but the mom would have none of that and moved them in the crawlspace under the house. Eventually moving them farther and farther from where I could see them. That all eventually led to a crawlspace safari (no matter how I tried to block all the openings to the crawlspace, mom cat always found the one opening not blocked.." and mom cat trapping (which I fooled her by getting the kittens and putting them in a crate with a string/rubber band setup that I triggered when she went in to get the kittens). Molly was the little kitten I sawed thru the floor for. I thought I had gotten the location right, but just couldn't find anything after I cut thru...finally stretching really far into some pipes, found a lump of fur which I thought was dead, but it was Molly. Mom cat went to the shelter (too feral) and the kittens stayed with us. I guess we had Louie the big old cat at the time, who taught them everything they needed to know about being cats. All said, Bucky was a pretty good cat and had a pretty good life, and accumulated his share of pelts from the outside world and got his head rubbed a lot and got to sleep on the bed away from the dogs during the day. RIP Bucky kitty.

I love that Jo is still taking the details seriously! I mean this ain't pinochle! We got facts here. Can you imagine the injustice of Duane doing the hijack, but it gets lost to history because everyone is messing with the facts! That's worst than an FBI coverup! Here's a video of Duane singing when he was young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IjgZGhHrYY more classic Jerry Lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yRdDnrB5kM&feature=related

I guess since Galen Cook has a witness that saw a red drifting fireball, that means Cooper fired a flare gun before or while jumping over Portland or Vancouver. Sounds like Galen has this figured out, then, if Himmelsbach would just give him the name of the agent that issued the coverup command. I wonder why the witness said the flare was drifting instead of falling? If fired at 10,000 feet, it would hit the ground in what, a minute or so? I guess if you're the guy that's supposed to find Cooper, you eyeball that flare for a minute and then drive to where Cooper lands? I wonder if the chase guy saw Cooper's parachute. Like georger said, lucky no one else did! Sounds like that's what happened. Now we're making progress. But who picked Duane up?

I started at the beginning of the web again, to read it thru another time and found this interesting book title, that I hadn't seen in the list of "Cooper" books, fiction or otherwise, before. Note this was before the money find. He's written other books. The first edition was "vanity" press. (self published). George Montgomery "And The Mountain Cried", Hicksville: Exposition Press, 1978. A novel, published by the author, about the "D.B. Cooper" skyjacking, with Cooper as a Vietnam veteran in league with corrupt Vietnamese officials. Partly set in Vietnam. http://www.ochsnerjournal.org/doi/full/10.1043/1524-5012%282007%297%5B40%3AOILF%5D2.0.CO%3B2 this account incorrectly says "Sierra Nevada" "The author, an Atlanta industrialist, was a classmate of John L. Ochsner, MD, at Darlington School in Rome, GA. The book is a fictional account of the fate of D.B. Cooper, the 1971 skyjacker who parachuted into oblivion over the Sierra Nevada mountains with a ransom of $200,000. In it, a main character is a sportsman/adventurer who learns that his younger brother, a helicopter pilot, has been shot down in Cambodia and evacuated to the States. He vows to see that his brother gets the best of care and proposes to have him moved from the military hospital to Ochsner, putting in a call to Dr. Ochsner (presumably John). The transfer proves unnecessary." listed in this bibliography: http://books.google.com/books?id=mp5uTxzSJOkC&pg=PA54&dq=%22and+the+mountain+cried%22+db+cooper&cd=1#v=onepage&q=%22and%20the%20mountain%20cried%22%20db%20cooper&f=false listed here as published by J. Pohl Associates in 1981 176 pages. Maybe another edition? http://books.google.com/books?id=yGL3AAAACAAJ&dq=%22and+the+mountain+cried%22&cd=1 The 1978 edition had 280 pages. Maybe smaller pages. here's the 1978 edition http://books.google.com/books?id=x2L3AAAACAAJ&dq=%22and+the+mountain+cried%22&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=2 Some others. This one is harder to find a copy of: "Night flight for ransom: the legend of D. B. Cooper" By Leroy H. Gray, Gale Ellis 1980, 159 pages, Publisher Lee Gray Pub., Christ Life Fellowship Interesting that another Gray already wrote a book.. http://books.google.com/books?id=qrPIHAAACAAJ&dq=db+cooper&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1971&as_maxm_is=1&as_maxy_is=1984&as_brr=0&cd=20 (edit) Each time a book was published, Duane lit a flare and smoked it, remembering the good old days. Duane got a haircut when the 1978 book was published. He used the toilet when the 1980 book was published. Jo remembers. Gulf gas station. Door in the back on the right. Duane adjusted his glasses when he left.

Who're you calling a lawyer son? 377 Every time I get called on jury duty, I get dismissed. I've never served on a jury. The lawyers never like my answers to their questions. It totally pisses off guys who want to get out of serving. I remember once the judge made the guy admit he could sit on the jury, even though he really didn't want to, and he got seated. I got up after him. Answered a couple questions, said I had no trouble with the time (I wasn't busy at the time)..and they punted me right away. I don't think I'll ever be on a jury, my whole life.

"The original anti-collision lights on a 727 were red rotating beacons. they were replaced by strobes as they wore out in the '80's and 90's in the US. (1980's aircraft were delivered with strobes). " Any of you guys who jumped 727's in the '70s would know the above. source: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/131958/ Could probably find others. also discussed here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/131958/

Hey Amazon's still alive and kicking. How's the knee healing up? it sucks how things heal slower as we get older. On the flare thing, it's crazy how people throw out something, and want to imply it has meaning ..."red fireball" without fleshing out the entire thought. A characteristic of the loonies, is they leave the implication to the reader's mind..even better if there's implied "secret information"... it's no different than writing a novel. You don't fully state anything, because when you do, it becomes obvious it's stupid. Take this "throw a flare to signal someone on the ground theory". There's no way that makes sense. Lots of planes that night? probably couldn't see them. Could hear them. How would you know when to start looking for Cooper? If the plan was you were waiting in Portland/Vancouver and looking for a flare, heck you could listen for a low plane too. If you really thought there was any kind of plan, you could have been listening in to airplane radio frequencies (or tower) and been able to predict arrival. And the flight path is predictable if you know it's going to Portland. But Cooper didn't specify flying to Portland, unless you believe some of Sluggo's theories. So the idea of pre-stationing someone at Portland/Vancouver to be signalled by dropped flare? Doesn't make sense..even if the concept made sense, the dropped flare idea wouldn't be the optimal solution to the problem (or necessary)..it wouldn't identify a place to find Cooper very precisely either. What's crazy is people hold Galen Cook out to be something other than a nut bag because he's a lawyer. He's just a lawyer nut bag. Same as Jo, Jerry, Himmelsbach, Carr..etc. All nut bags. (edit) In short, if you want a flare theory, the only one that makes sense is Cooper opening something under canopy, getting and lighting a flare, and sticking it up his ass.

I was thinking about the red fireball. Now if Duane knew he was the first to go out a 727, and it's night, he might have thought "WTF" and thrown a lit flare out the back just to see what would happen to it as it got buffeted around. But more likely, since Duane was a welder and could weld under canopy, was that he opened the briefcase after deployment and lit the flare. But how would he hold it? He would want both hands for steering his C9 using the techniques Duane pioneered (that 377 reported). I'm thinking that it's mostly like he held the flare in his butt cheeks. Airtwardo: is it possible to stick a lit highway flare up one's rectum while under canopy? I'm assuming no subsurface migration. Ignore the effect of any clouds. I have a scientific team, but they balked at this experiment. (edit) I'm assuming there's no reason to jump with a lit flare in your hand. So my scenarios seem the only plausible.

good job farflung..I was laughing. I love the moby dick picture. Why do people bother with Himmelsbach? He's just as nutty as the rest.

at sluggo's site (It's interesting how sluggo tried to say his site would keep out the riff-raff, yet the loonies post there?). Galen Cook explained the money find. He said (apparently the result of info from an interview and serious scientific investigation.). 1) More money packets may have been buried at a different level, or, even in another hole nearby at a different depth. 2) Who's to say for sure that fragments were found at "3 feet?" The FBI agent I interviewed (who was on site during the week of 2/12/10) never observed that. 3) Sand at Tena's is not stable. There is a subsurface shifting mechanism, as was proven in one of our experiments. Me, I'll stick with my flock of white-t-shirt wearing lovelies. Don't you love it when people try to B.S. and they use big words as if that means they are being scientific. "subsurface shifting mechanism" Don't UFOs use that to go thru worm holes also? (edit) Me I like the theory that Cheney was Cooper, and threw the money bag up in the air and blasted it, creating the fragments. There is DNA evidence tying Cheney to Cooper. here: http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i28613

The funny thing about the Cooper story, is all these players. Just when you think they couldn't be nuttier, they are. I found a picture from that 1971 fireball event. There were a large number of witnesses as seen in the photo.

not sure how this fits in the case or where it came from, but I'm pretty sure it's a piece of the puzzle.

Jo please do not post any more information to the forum. It's too dangerous. Duane was Cooper. 1945 was just a rehearsal!

I am licensed in all aspects of DB Cooper investigations, both domestic and international. Rights? You have no rights. Get over it.

man, the orders are rolling in. This is like when we were printing money, only it's legal. Stimulus unneeded, we're hiring for second shifts. New one attached.

Was at a stop light in the rain, and this guy rolls up next to me in a white 1976 Cadillac Seville. He's got the rap thumping, and his windows are open even though it's raining. I think nothing of it, as he guns it on the green. I take my time because I know the lights aren't synchronized. As his rear flashes by, I notice he's got the weirdest bumper sticker. I roll down my window and yell to him "where'd you get it" and he yells "what?" "The bumper sticker"..."Oh yeah, everyone wants..Some dude on ebay sells them.. he's always sold out so you have to watch for when they come in" I dunno. I think there's a revolution brewing. This may be a rallying point. (attached. I finally got one of them..but from a vendor at the weekly flea market)

I read on the interweb somewhere that there's a woman in Florida who is accusing some folks on a skydiving forum of making fun of her because her husband was DB Cooper and they are part of a conspiracy to hide the truth by attacking her. Luckily she's managed to keep her wits about her and keep supplying information that will help bring the hidden facts to the public. She's doing this all for free, also. And the FBI lied to her at one time.

Cave or rock art consists of engraved or painted works on open air rocks or on the floors, walls and ceilings of caves, some of them in deep and almost inaccessible crannies. They were created during the Upper Palaeolithic period (40,000 to 10,000 BC), and the best were done by what we call the Magdalenians (from the name of a site), peoples who flourished in Europe from 18,000 to 10,000 BC. Such works have a unity, and can be described as the Magdalenian art system, the first in human history. it was also the longest, lasting for more than two thirds of the total time when humans have produced art. In any history of art, then, the Magdalenian system must occupy a place of importance. Alas, of all the forms of art practised on the planet, it is the one about which we know the least. I can only hope, that someone reads my cave paintings in 20,000 years. I can picture the Professor....'Eureka! I have figured it out..one called "Snowmman" says "Duane Was Cooper"...and apparently the Earth was ruled by an entity called Snowmman Industries, with all communication being done thru machines whose purpose and operation were unknown, apparently deposited on earth by Alien beings' Jo: I found a credible witness that ties the UFO aspect of this in. Mike Wallace interviewed him in 1958. I think he knew Duane Weber. Did Duane ever mention Major Donald Keyhoe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtBrUVBehvQ

Jo: I know that if you and Galen Cook agree on something, that's basically rock solid truth. But I did uncover all the records you are looking for and I destroyed them. Duane was Cooper. Why won't you accept that? Also: You can count on me to tell your story for you. No need to twist and turn. I have it all down.

Every time I mention someone by name here, they get killed off. J.D. Sallinger is the latest (yesterday). That was a quick response. http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/books/01/28/salinger.obit/index.html?hpt=T2 (edit) Jo only has to worry to about script writers. If I only!

I thought we discussed this. no conclusions. pics at the first link. We talked about some of the species of ants and termites that eat paper in the northwest, and at what soil depth they go down to. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3508568;search_string=money%20holes;#3508568 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3459228;search_string=termites;#3459228 I guess I don't really understand the question. If you identified the holes as insect or ant, I don't see how that precludes Tena Bar. Is Cook suggesting ants and insects don't operate at the depths the bills were found at, in the sand/clay on Tena Bar? If so, where did he get that info? Note it's not clear if the holes are ant/insect anyhow. (edit) if you look at the pics (which are just a sample) you can see remnants of the hole action at the edges of the bills, not just the centers. (e.g. the I* bill) (edit) My science team is all women. They are required to dress for work in tight T-shirts. (edit) I attached the two examples from that post here again. Note not all bills have holes, if I remember correctly. Didn't check.

It was a couple posts back but may have been deleted. The Science Team is apparently investigating Ridley Scott. He has a funny first name, minimally.

Jo theorized "Naahhh. Snow posts "too much" here to have enough time left to write TV scripts" Let's pursue that theory. What does it cost to post here? Typing and mouse clicks. Assume touch typing, maybe 60 wpm? Even at 10 posts a day, I think it would work out to me spending more time on the toilet or in the shower per day. Although I don't any more, I used to work thru hundreds of emails a day. I think at 200-300/per day, that's about the limit for a full work day where you're doing nothing else. What makes you think this thread consumes a lot of time? (edit) Jo also theorized "Whoever they are they are too busy being pirates to be trusted." Which implies non-pirates are better to trust. I don't think that's true? The trust issue probably is unrelated to piracy issues.