snowmman

well yeah, or the bundles were buried in a metal can. But I'm thinking this "burial" idea is just a stupid idea that got inserted in our brains because of the Duane myth. We're acting like burying money is something people did in the '70s. I don't think so. People would know it would get wet and rot. I'm also thinking this idea of Cooper as aviation-industry and engineer might be myth. I'm wondering if maybe someone involved in commercial aviation wouldn't screw over an airline pilot and his crew like that. McCoy did, but he was military pilot (helicopter). Interesting McCoy taught Sunday School, had wife and kids, too. (unlike H.'s "not a normal man" theory) I'm also wondering whether Cooper was Seattle-area resident. I think the Tacoma reference might mean out-of-area. And the McChord reference could be data gleaned from a map. I'm really confused about the raincoat. It just got in the way for the jump. Did Cooper wear it because he travelled a lot that day in the rain? Just a short bit of walking on the tarmac at PDX to get on the plane, or from transportion to PDX. So why a raincoat? I've attached the US NOAA weather map for 11/24/71. Shaded areas show precipitation (rain or snow) that day at 7 A.M EST. So Portland and Seattle areas had rain. Up in Canada too (Calgary). Was Cooper from Portland/Vancouver area? I think east coast was having snow. The second attach is precipitation for the previous 24 hours (in inches) at 1 A.M EST I think we can say that probably wherever Cooper started his day, it was raining?

The FBI "folder" bills seem to have some waviness/distortion that the Ingram auction bills don't. The Ingram auction bills may have been pressed/cleaned up a bit by the PCGS currency folk? It'd be interesting to know if the FBI got the bills "fully dry" or still damp. I suppose if they were wet when the Ingrams got them, they would distort a bit while drying. I'm still perplexed about the apparent "leaching" stains in the FBI folder. All in all, it seems like a pretty piss-poor way to store evidence. The photos from 2/12/80 don't seem to have any obvious distortion, but I think we need more photos to be sure. I'm thinking we can't even be sure of distortion ideas, because of the behavior of the bills while drying?

...just a reminder that "paper" money is not actually paper as most people think of it...(sorry, this pedant in me is hard to keep down). Then again, as it should be more resilient than paper I guess that underscores rather than undermines your quote. I figure the strategy is to be as pedantic as possible till we bore Ckret to tears and he releases some new data... yes about 80% cotton, 20% flax. There's still lignin but I think less than wood pulp based papers. But I think that says that there are so many variables, that the decomposition of the edges etc. doesn't give us much reliable information. I think the color/staining maybe has more information. I'm not sure about claims that being in the Columbia would discolor it. Pictures I've seen of the Columbia bottom are relatively clean..sand mostly? So I dunno..I'm not sure that we can date anything about the money reliably. I was thinking the only theory that makes sense to me right now is Cooper no-pulling into the Columbia near PDX...the body getting weighted down by the chute and the money..maybe getting covered with silt..eventually money releases and moves to Tena Bar. If those are really rust stains on that one bill though, I can't understand that though. (as people have pointed out stainless hardware) One thing I was thinking about: Cooper took the more difficult spot...i.e. before the Columbia? It would have been easier to wait till he saw Portland..the land after Portland doesn't seem impossible...but not as good. Before the Columbia is better. So why did he take the more difficult spot? Did he know? Did it show knowledge? Or was it just random?

http://www.forester.net/msw_0103_beyond.html Author is involved with The Garbage Project which has exhumed 15 to 40 year old readable newspapers from landfills. The whole article is interesting, but key paragraphs: "First, contrary to a commonly held belief that fluid - and especially water - greatly speeds biodegradation, most archaeologists are elated to excavate a waterlogged site. In cases where perishable materials are thoroughly saturated with water and there are no significant currents - certain marshes, swamps, small lakes, fill behind retaining walls in harbors, and even outhouses - archaeologists have found papers, textiles, leather, and a variety of food intact after 100 to even 1,000 years of burial." "On the other hand, any archaeological site that goes through seasonal wet/dry cycles or that is submerged in moving water is not likely to produce many intact degradable or biodegradable remains. That is why the Garbage Project found clear evidence of significant biodegradation in the lowest lifts in New York City's unlined Fresh Kills Landfill, which began in 1948 on Staten Island in a swamp where tides wick water in and out of the bottom levels of refuse every day. This understanding of the role of moving fluids is behind the concept of bioreactor landfills, which are carefully designed to circulate leachate in an effort to facilitate biodegradation."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/207137_spill08.html The Hayden Island anchorage is S of Mathews Point. Hayden Island extends to I5 crossing of the columbia (topo attached) Greek shipping firm fined $12,000 for oil spill Saturday, January 8, 2005 SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER NEWS SERVICES OLYMPIA -- The state Department of Ecology has fined a Greek shipping company $12,000, saying the crew of one of its tankers made mistakes that led to an oil spill in the Columbia River. The agency estimates that 519 gallons of oil spilled from the Rosa Tomasos on Aug. 30, 2003, when a fuel tank overflowed onto the deck and over the side of the vessel as it was being refueled at the Hayden Island Anchorage west of Vancouver, Wash. Department of Ecology investigators said the crew did not slow down the transfer of oil after the tank was 80 percent full, and they alleged the chief engineer ignored an automated monitoring system that signaled the tank was getting full. "The crew members responsible for monitoring the fuel transfer were not keeping an adequate watch," Mike Lynch, a state investigator, said in a statement released Thursday. Some of the oil washed up on beaches near Frenchman's Bar and Caterpillar Island. There were no reports of harm to wildlife. The ship's vessel master notified the U.S. Coast Guard and hired a private contractor to handle the bulk of the cleanup, Ecology spokeswoman Mary-Ellen Voss said. The company, based in Piraeus, Greece, has 30 days to appeal the fine.

this is just addressing access to the Columbia from roads. It's easy to think that all of the Columbia shoreline is equally easily accessible. If you look at this map (I think from georger) that was focused on drainage areas, you can also see how roads don't typically parallel the Columbia on the Vancouver side. it's close down by I5, then by Frenchman's, then by Tina Bar. So if you didn't want to walk far for a plant, then there aren't a lot of good choices. (edit) Although to be fair, assuming a random float dispersal, it also addresses a "why found at Tena Bar" question...i.e. humans likely to only be at a couple of places? p.s. The driving time from "town" to Tina Bar is about 8 minutes, according to Sadow's Marina (which incidently was sold in 1987, previously called Leeward Marina. Not sure when the Marina was first created there in Caterpillar Slough. The docks for the houseboats seem to be there in the 1975 topo, but I'm not sure. They called the Slough "tidal flats" in the 1975 topo. Source: Columbian (Vancouver, WA) 15-NOV-06 Neighborhood focus: Lower River Road. Byline: Justin Carinci Nov. 15--For a decade, the Northwest Lower River Road area was the kind of area in which cows outnumbered people. That won't be the case much longer. While suburban growth continues elsewhere in the county, no new homes are springing up here. This stretch of road has only a house or two, with 18 more floating in a marina. Rather, the cows are packing their bags and leaving town. The Port of Vancouver is planning a wildlife restoration project on the land it owns north of the flushing channel between Vancouver Lake and the Columbia River, and the 300 or so Herefords that graze there don't count as wildlife. Kadow's Marina, across from Caterpillar Island in the Columbia, will continue to hold most of the neighborhood's human population. The Kadow family took over the former Leeward Marina in 1987. "The summers are like living in a resort," Bev Kadow said from her recently completed home, which doubles as the marina office. "You can take your boat and just go tootle around on the river." The area has proved suitable for more than just river rats. The entire stretch of Northwest Lower River Road doubles as a wildlife viewing area, lined as it is with state and federal bird habitat. Shorebirds mingle with herons and egrets. Canada geese fill entire fields. And kestrels, red-tailed hawks and harriers patrol from the air. And then the road just ends. Other than hunters and dump truck drivers hauling sand and gravel, not many people use the road, leaving the area remarkably private. "It's wonderful," Kadow said. "We're eight minutes from town, but we're out in the country."

I know I'll get beat up for this. But I was looking at the photo taking by the person who posted at the waymarking site, of Tena Bar. (1st attached) It's obviously wet sand (looking N on Tena Bar). The sand is smooth and there is no loose sand on the surface. The money find pictures though, are very different. There is an obviously wet area near the water line. But up by where the money was found, the sand is dry and loose on the surface. But moist and fine enough to maintain the trench under the surface, I suppose. I'm confused by this description of the money being found where it was recently wet. It seems like it was found in dry sand. (at the surface). Since Brian "brushed" the sand away, that also confirms "dry". The dig apparently started 2/13/80, 3 days after the actual find?...maybe went for more than one day (was the backhoe brought in on a 2nd day?)

"Pipeline and hopper dredges at work removing sediment clogging the shipping channel in the Columbia River below the Trojan nuclear power plant on the Oregon shore." (see attached photo) it almost looks like the pipeline extends to shore in this case..close? (edit) another nice pipeline dredge photo added from same url. 2nd attach "A pipeline dredge at work on the Toutle River, vacuuming material from the river bottom and moving it through the pipeline to shore for disposal." from http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ohq/106.2/willingham.html

great, then there must be more data you can share. You've implied it was a bladed dredger, which I take to be a hydraulic dredge with a cutterhead. Tosaw said a pipeline dredge was used, which would have a pipe/hose on barge or floats, extending to shore or close to shore. I've attached two pictures of a typical hydraulic dredge output hose. It's hard to believe it would end on shore. It seems to be an open water mechanism. How did the sand get to shore? Additional barges or what? Was the sand deposited somewhere and bulldozed onto the beach? also here's a link to an article describing dredging transporting trash (undesired trash) http://narragansettbaykeeper.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html added another hydraulic dredge with long hose

I always wondered about this georger. I was wondering how a geologist got to be expert in dredging layers. The beach probably has natural layers, I always wondered what the difference between a natural layer and a dredge layer would be. And also: if you dredge the columbia, you would first get sand, then you get clay...so it should be reversed wherever you dump it: first sand, then clay...so the clay would be at the very top? But even that is just guessing. Note my email response from the guy across the Columbia (I've posted this before). He says they didn't get any sand on the beach on the other side either? quote: The last dumping of dredging spoil on Reeder Beach was in the mid 1960s. All of the 1974 sand on this side, went to Hutchinson Ranch and shortly after that, the environmentalists got into the picture and declared that the water, which ran off of the sand back into the river, was polluting the river, and the Corp of Engineers is no longer able to pump the spoil on to the riverbank. We are no longer able to restore the beach, even though the major flood of 1996 washed away over 150 feet of our beach frontage. endquote

Snowmman this is the post you attached a photo called Tina's Bar and it is a picture of Caterpillar Island with a Blue marker above it. This was when I gave you a hard time about Tina's bar and the Island - no one corrected me and like I said I thought I had bought the farm. Because that was not how I remembered it. This is when a phone call is so much easier - I still do not see the trenches you are talking about. There is an inlet above the beach which went NO where - just someplace rutted out by someone to protect their boat - a landing of sorts. The trenches are in the photos, not the maps. yes, the inlet is at the top of the map attached. Right above where the topo shows large sand area. The smallness of it seems to correspond to your memory. I didn't add any markers to the marine or topo maps I posted. I figured everyone should be able to geo-locate by now. I think the triangle you maybe be refering to, was a map symbol (in the water) maybe private anchor point or something (the marine map had a "private" reference in the water) the triangle is on this map too. In any case, the money find area is in the green, just below the large sand area at the top of the attached map. The API-94676.jpg looks like it's 1975 data. You can see it's almost right across the river from the beacon, which I think is visible in one of the photos. I attached a more recent marine chart that I think was from georger, but matched what was in the marine chart I posted. it has the little map marker N of caterpillar island also. Not sure why. I looked at an index of map symbols. It may be a buoy. (edit) added a larger topo snap Sluggo had done at one point. Looks like 1975 data also. Note that the "Reeder" beach across the columbia is visible in the photos also. There isn't as much sand as you go up and down on that side, so that helps confirm location too.

I noticed this a couple days back. No one mentioned it so I will. (and no it has nothing to do with me) (edit) HEY wait a second..drug dealer? he stole that from me! Now I know why Jo gets mad! man, that paragraph they quote is so cliche! it reminds me of reading Penthouse when I was a kid. D.B. Cooper, Where Are You: My Own Story By D.B. Cooper (Publication Consultants, $15.95) The blurb: "D.B. Cooper is wild and conservative, smart and stupid, careful and courageous. ... He is a pirate, a friend, a schemer, a drug dealer, a nurturer, a murderer, a family man. And now -- a writer?" Excerpt: "Candi was the type of girl young men's mothers warn them about and pray their sons will never bring home for Sunday dinner -- she was also the type of girl young men hope to encounter and experience at least once before they become old men. The moment I laid eyes on her I knew I was in trouble." from another page: An Alaskan named Walter Grant has written the "autobiography" of D.B. Cooper. "My Own Story" says the cover. It's fiction, says the publisher (wink wink). But, he says, Grant sure knows a lot about the legendary hijacker who vanished out the back of an airline over Oregon in 1971 (wink wink), says a promo.

The color money bundle photos which I tagged as being taken on 2/12/80 by comparison to other b/w photos: The Brian Ingram website, created to announce his auction has that same photo that CNN published in '96 (that's on sluggo's site too). here: http://www.dbcoopermoney.com/History/History.htm Brian credited the FBI with the photo. So Ckret has it. Give it up Ckret! bundle photos from 2/12/80 and what about those black bills? are they all backs? what do they look like on the other side? Hey on the total # of bills...brian got like 140, the insurance company got like 140 (and now all those are who knows where) and the FBI got 13-14...Lawyer got 15? (but gave some away to family/friends) So we don't know how the FBI decided which 13-14 they'd keep. That would be good to know. Maybe wasn't random? Maybe they picked top/bottom bills? and there's all this about the auction house piecing together more serials. Assuming the bills the insurance company got also has some "extra"....well we don't have a clue how many bills were actually found there!

My understanding is they used at least one dog to look for the bomb on landing. There was definitely one dog there, Rommel. Photo attached. No idea on the efficacy. But saying "no dogs" is not exactly right. Supposedly surrounding neighborhoods were checked too? (if I remember an article correctly)...in case he ran off the plane on landing...?

The most important thing about a circle jerk, is announcing a time because everyone has to be there simultaneously. This is not a circle jerk because we don't need simultaneity. It's more like mutual self-masturbation. Still good.

georger: The strikers could have been removed (paper) and the little hard drop of chemical paste at the top (strike area) could have been removed too. (edit) It's interesting Cooper chose 8. He could have fit more in his briefcase. Did he know that 8 was about right to scare experts? Why not 4, or 12? Was it just random? I've been reading up on blasting caps. I'm not going to post too much detail otherwise I'll probably be on the next rendition flight. But it got me wondering about why we all assumed Cooper's bomb was fake. Blasting caps depend on current. V=IR for determining the voltage you need. The R is specified for blasting caps. ...so the short answer seems to be that for a reliable use of a blasting cap, you'd want 3V. A 6V battery might have actually shown some training, based on some typical examples I've seen in manual. What amazes me, is that I don't think many people have thought through why they would think the bomb was fake or real. Maybe because no detonation switch? The small size "flares" say to me could be either real or fake. So: I'm willing to agree that the probable single #6 cell means "fake"...But I'm more surprised by the general impression everyone had here, I guess based on Cooper's actions, that the bomb was fake..kind of the ready rush to judgement. Cini had real dynamite right? and he was a flake apparently? Is it that we somehow want Cooper to be an ignoramus? But maybe the choice of a large dry cell, actually was trying to convey some intelligence. I'm wondering if bomb experts that night, heard the description of the battery size, and thought "Hmm..could be real bomb"... Maybe even the choice of smaller size flares, rather than the more typical longer ones. My main point: his bomb was "close" enough to real, that experts on the radio wouldn't be able to confidently say "no way" Here's a court case about a guy with a bomb in '69 in Eugene, OR, using Dupont Logger's dynamite. OR/WA, with logging, apparently dynamite could have been relatively common. Would we change our views if Cooper actually had a real bomb? I'm still curious about whether Cooper taped his "flares" together. This guy used copper wire to bind. http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/448/448.F2d.892.26481.html (appeal) 448 F2d 892 UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff and Appellee, v. Richard J. OBA, Defendant and Appellant. No. 26481. United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit. August 23, 1971. Rehearing Denied September 29, 1971. Barnes Ellis (argued), Portland, Or., for defendant-appellant. Michael Abbell (argued), Dept. of Justice, Washington, D. C., Sidney I. Lezak, U. S. Atty., Charles Turner, Asst. U. S. Atty., Portland, Or., for plaintiff-appellee. Before BROWNING and CARTER, Circuit Judges, and BYRNE,* District Judge. WILLIAM M. BYRNE, District Judge: This is an appeal by appellant Oba from his conviction upon a plea of guilty to Counts One and Two of an indictment charging him with possessing an unlawfully made firearm and with unlawfully transferring the same firearm in violations of 26 U.S.C. § 5861(c) and (e), respectively. At the time of pleading guilty, Oba retained, with permission of the Court, two legal questions for appeal, viz., (1) Did the indictment fail to state facts sufficient to constitute an offense, and (2) Would the National Firearms Act, as applied to him, force him to incriminate himself as to future acts. On appeal, appellant contends that the object described in the indictment ("seven sticks of dynamite wrapped with copper wire and equipped with a length of black dynamite fuse, together with dynamite caps * * *") does not come within the definition of "destructive device" found in 26 U.S.C. § 5845 (f).1 The thrust of appellant's argument is that the object is, intrinsically, not a weapon and that it can only be labelled a "destructive device" if that is the ultimate subjective intent of the possessor or transferor. ... Here in his guilty plea appellant admitted that the device consisted of seven sticks of dynamite wrapped in copper wire and equipped with fuse and blasting caps.2 He stated that his intent was to dynamite the City of Eugene, Oregon and admitted that the purpose of the device was to bomb and destroy the property of others. He also stated that in Eugene, Oregon, in May of 1969, he transferred the device to one Robert Caufield with instructions to detonate it on certain premises in Eugene, Oregon. In sum, that the said object was a "destructive device" as defined in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(f) is beyond controversy.

Good post Sluggo. I know what I am. I think all problems are people problems. Data is easy. Data is just the currency for attacking the people problems..Hey reminds me..Cooper evidently used the phrase "negotiable currency"...interesting. Big words. I actually don't care a lot about the case resolution, because it's structured so that the only way it will be solved is by meteor strike..i.e. some random event presents the answer. There is no way intelligent human behavior by non-Cooper related parties will affect it's resolution. I don't care about the FBI, because Ckret is a contradiction. He's said he's not doing any new investigation, and just releasing info, but he's not releasing info, he's pretending he still has a shot at finding and convicting Cooper. So there's no reason to kiss Ckret's butt. So my curiosity extends more to history, FBI operations (hey I fund them!), current FBI practices and why the country embraces/wants them (I have a strong belief the country has a bit of a '70s feel right now). We have an attorney general testifying before Congress about how he thinks waterboarding was useful. So I'm probably in category 4. I embrace the sheer lunacy of it all. It's kind of just a mind rush. Like I said, legal LSD.

This is visible in the Corbis photo from 2/12/80 but I've included the top view AP photo because it's more visible. The bills in the 2nd bundle down from top left, have shifted. They're not in an aligned stack. We know because of the wet, that the bills should have all stuck together. It's surprising they were even able to separate the 3 bundles into 12. But the shifting could not have happened while the bills were wet. It must have happened while they were dry? It's hard to believe the individual bills dried out enough to shift like that. My guess is that the bills shifted before they got wet. I think this shifting theory is important. It might support a plant theory?

I was just looking at sluggo's site, and realized one photo he has there, is a color photo of the found bundles, that must have been taken on 2/12/80 at FBI hq. it's only 2 bundles, but you can tell it matches the two bundles laid out in the foreground of the nymag/Corbis photo of 12 bundles I posted. The giveaway is the torn piece of jackson's face that's placed on top of the 2nd bundle. The texture of the table matches the bw photo. Apparently the FBI table was green? You can also tell that they are bundles, not individual bills. The picture is real bad, but it gives us some color information about the bundles just 2 days after the find. Also there is some edge detail that's good. Would be really nice if Ckret has color photos from 2/12/80 or if we could find better ones. see attached I attached the known 2/12/80 bw photo for reference. (edit) another giveaway for comparison..the single bill under the top bundle. You can see it in the bw photo also (look at the foreground two bundles) (edit) Sluggo's photo is from a 1996 cnn.com web article. don't know where they got the photo. They couldn't have taken it in 1996. It's captioned (CNN) http://www.cnn.com/US/9611/23/db.cooper/ the placard seems to have an evidence tag on it. That suggests the placard is in FBI hands, and is part of the evidence we've not been shown (even though everyone says we've seen everything)

(edit) updated to mention of "folk hero" within a week. newspaper article from nov 29, 1971 was already mentioning "folk hero" status. I was thinking of Ckret's "the public will provide info" strategy here. It kind of makes no sense, right? There's no reason anyone would give up Cooper, unless he was dead and told someone. Even then there's little reason. Why would anyone give up info on a live Cooper? or a dead Cooper? Oakland Tribune (Newspaper) - November 29, 1971, Oakland, California Nov 29, 1971 ... many residents have come to regard "D. B. Cooper" as sort of a folk hero the clever modern Robin Hood who fleeced the "system" didn't hurt anyone and then ... Lima News (Newspaper) - January 7, 1972, Lima, Ohio Jan 7, 1972 U. S. Marshal Charles Robinson of Seattle disapproves of the image of Cooper as folk hero "Cooper is neither a hero of sorts nor a Robin Hood...

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/AES/Dynamite.shtml more dynamite pics. Two attached. (brown wrappers) Interesting they mention "common" size of 8"x1-1/4". So maybe it all does say "pretty unlikely" that Cooper had dynamite. if indeed Cooper had flares, it's interesting they were small ones. I wonder if maybe they were some other kind of flares. but like I said, could have been 5 or 10 minute flares. I was also wondering "why red wire?" I guess nothing can be gleaned from that, random? But it's not black, white or green. (other common). Too bad we don't know if Tina saw anything else in the briefcase.

yeah, hard to tell I guess, Sluggo. I did an attempt at adjusting for fade, using Corel software. Attached. Also attached some pics of example dynamite wrappings (inert..vendor sells for homeland security training) too bad Tina didn't note if there was any writing on the sticks.

two pictures discovered while browsing The first is real. From our artist friend Albert W. published in 1965.

page 4 of the new transcripts released by Ckret thru Sluggo provide new detail on Tina's description of the bomb. Some detail to flesh out what we already know. There is also detail later on the landing at Reno, about the stairs not dropping till the plane was at a low speed, which explains how they landed without stair damage. Bomb description: Quoting: -Eight red sticks, about 6"x1" in left corner of briefcase, "look like big firecrackers." Two rows of sticks, four on top of four. -Wire attached to dynamite with red insulation. [Ed. Is this red tape? What is "red insulation?" (edit) OH..maybe the wire had red insulation?] - Battery "like flashlight battery, but about 6" high and as big around as my arm". [Ed. this seems to resolve our debate about the text in the other transcript ..lite vs flashlight battery?] - Red sticks are about the color "of my uniform" End of quote. This last description of the color caught my eye, cause Tosaw had this detail also about color matching the uniform. But he called it reddish brown. Tosaw may have got this detail from this report or an agent. In any case, I researched the uniforms used by stews on Northwest Airlines during that era. As always the info is on the web. http://www.uniformfreak.com/1northwest.html We've only seen b&w photos of the stews. It's quite amazing to see how bright red the uniforms were. Attached from the web site. Winter uniforms from 1970-1976. This bright red might be more indicative of flares, although the 6"x1" seems smaller than standard highway flares. 20 minutes (typical hwy?) would be about 12"x1"??? I'm guessing 5 or 10 minute flare? With railroads, they call the flares fusees. 5 minute fusees are standard for freight trains, 10 minute fusees for passenger trains. (there are RR reasons for 5 and 10 minute delays: train spacings). But 5 and 10 minute road flares are available too. I've been looking at dynamite wrappings. Brown and red-brown seem common, but red does seem to exist. There are small dynamite sticks. I think the real thing that says fake bomb is the probable dry cell, as we've noted before. 1.5V wouldn't be a good choice.

come on..what waste your breath B.S'ing us? We can't even smell the bills and we're supposed to be able to say anything intelligent? Your photos are crap and just of one side. We don't know if the bills are a random sample, or skewed distribution of the total population that was found (for instance the 3 black bills). We're looking at photos taken 27 years later, as opposed to photos taken when the Ingrams brought the bills in. Heck the photos I've posted are better than anything you've given up! The only as-found bundle photos are the ones I posted! We don't know how much the Ingrams rinsed/manipulated the bills after the find. They did separate 3 into 12, so there was handling. You're saying there's no written report on the money? Or are you saying there is and you'll never tell us what it said? Himmelsbach was quoted in some news articles afterwards implying they were going to have some people look at the money to make guesses about where it came from. But he very quickly talked about it coming from a tributary..almost within one day I think. Although even then it was mentioned that maybe someone put the money there. So there has to be a written report of some kind that resolved the theories created that week. Cooper told me I can't give details on the plant. So you've got to give something up to have something for us to jaw about. And start with describing why it looks like urine stains on that folder they're in. Did you do that after some Cooper beer blast? Or were the bills still damp when they were put in the folder? Or did something leach out? if so, what? (edit) The FBI had all the money for 6 years. Someone at the FBI separated the bundles into bills at some point. There's plenty of things Ckret could mention.