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Sluggo's site was referenced by a newspaper blogger in South Africa today. The blogger is a deputy-editor of the Sunday Times Travel & Food. The Sunday Times is a popular South African Sunday newspaper. It has an audited circulation of 504,000 and a weekly readership of 3.2 million, making it the largest weekly newspaper in South Africa. The blog appears to be connected to the site the paper owns: http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/wanderer/2009/02/26/boeings-sexiest-airliner-in-hijack-escape-drama/ An overview of the hijack with this reference: "Thanks to “Sluggo” for this last piece of information from his extensive and detailed “Norjak” website." Orange1 continues to deny direct involvement in the case, although the coincidences continue to pile up.

for $1000/day plus airfare and other expenses, I will dress as Cooper did, and you can tie my arms and legs up to simulate injuries, and drop me off anywhere you want on 11/24/2009, in WA or OR. (you can blindfold me) You can hose me down first if you want. I'll be back posting within 3 days. If I don't return, you get your money back. Money has to be deposited in escrow beforehand. You can give me a wet chute or not, whatever you like. If you want to suspend me from a tree, that's okay too.

well we know that the radar wouldn't have been good enough from McChord. It would be stretching it, and only slightly possible because the transponder was on for 305, right? And the cluttered terrain worked against range too, right, 377? (more so than the rain?) I always assumed that they got a feed from another station in the SAGE network. I'm also wondering why the FAA radar I mentioned in Auburn wasn't used (long range). It would be nice to know if it was there in 1971. It was the early stuff, deployed around 1970, so it might have been? One thing to think about the flight path: it does show slowing of the plane around Ariel, right "close to" where the flaps apparently went to 30 degrees. However after that, surprisingly, the one-minute legs seem (to me) to show a "too fast" ground speed relative to the air speed we get from the transcripts. (edit) when combined with a guess of 40-50 knot headwinds..i.e. 220 deg.. sluggo can fill in the blanks. Sluggo can work out whether the flight path post-Ariel aligns with the words in the transcript. I think it does, so I was willing to believe the flight path was accurate. But who knows. I do know there's no reason to believe anything Himmelsbach says. I've not seen any information to say he was a good investigative agent, other than "just believe".

I know my thought on this is "we can't know" But it's worth double checking. Go back and check and you'll see what I mean. Review when Rat said he moved the flaps back to 15. Review the ground speed implied by the 1 minute legs on the flight path. Think about the probable winds at 10,000 ft, the indicated air speed and predicted and radar-measured ground speeds. Sluggo has probably worked all this out, as it ties it to info in the transcript about fuel burn. At the very least, it highlights the idea that saying the test drop "duplicated" the exact conditions of cooper's jump, is kind of an unproven theory. We don't know when Cooper jumped. The plane configuration changed around the probable time. And we don't have the exact details of the test drop. Tosaw did publish details of where it was done and the pilot. It was not done on V-23. So questions about whether aloft winds were the same, are interesting. (head winds, tail winds etc) Might not matter, but since this whole pressure bump thing is new knowledge, like splitting the atom, we shouldn't assume we know what affects what, right? Otherwise why do a test? (edit) I had thought that Rat moved the flaps back to 15 after he "felt" that Cooper had jumped. I always wondered where this point was. It would seem to be extra info about how Rat was processing events in the cabin..i.e. doing physical things based on how he felt about Cooper's presence and stair behaviors.

Jerry: You mention Himmelsbach privacy. What about your own? Shouldn't you care about that? Some here don't. I think what's cool is that people here respect each other's apparent level of privacy. It's kind of like mutual assured destruction. If we just wanted to piss details of everyone here for fun, it's easy to do. But why bother? It's kind of a tell on you, that you care. I'm just giving you feedback. Obviously you can ignore it. But if you want to test the system: go for it. (for instance, can I tell how many times you've moved in the last 11 years)

Hi Jerry. If you're looking for feedback, it feels like you've been in this "secretive" view of the Cooper world too long. You've made a couple of posts, but you've not said anything. I'm not faulting that. It's cool to chat with someone who's been thinking about this Cooper thing. You sound like a great guy. (unlike georger). But you've provided no info. For example, can we revisit this RR track by the Fazio question? I've posted Google map links before so you can zoom in and verify for us. Have you used Google maps? If not I could provide a url centered on what I think the house is, and you could verify. And maybe tell us where the RR tracks you're talking about are. We've got very loose info about the exact place of the money find. Some might think we know exactly. But like everything we're making some assumptions. Ckret, although a fine FBI agent, never gave us latitude/longitude and said "the money was found here" Why didn't he do that simple thing? dunno. (edit) oh, and ps. If you're not aware of it, anything posted here can be read by 3-4 billion people, within a minute or two of your post. And will probably be readable for 5-6 years minimally going forward. Given that, why would anyone care who I am? What about the other 3-4 billion that have the same info now? It's interesting how tied up the world is in the idea of information control. I think a lot of aviation security was based on this broken idea. Should I post the flight path for the piper cherokee hijack to Mexico? I can do it on FAA forms. If I give that to the pilot, will the FBI think I've got flying experience?

Jerry, I know you know that my name is directly related to the Cooper event. I know you know that I know that revealing my name will reveal that I know you know. When did Himmelsbach jump? Details? was this a tandem? Or from his military experience? What year?

This is not a prospectus for the CooperPonzi fund. Notice to all shareholders. We are sorry to inform you that were are shutting down operations and must return all funds. You will be receiving notice shortly from the banks in Africa in that regards. One of our founders is leaving to spend more time with his family. details today at http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/02/digital-cash-ow.html This also cancels the plan for the air drop of the gold in the fund's reserves. On the bright side, the nuclear side of our business has never looked brighter and we look forward to expansion in that area: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-emirates-weapons27-2009feb27,0,6012159.story

Jerry, Did Himmelsbach buy a Beech C35 in 1973 (fork tail)? I'm curious. As I've said, I'm wondering about H. as a pilot. He was a fighter pilot right. So he should be pretty skilled. Gets me all confused about how he resolves this radar issue in his mind. Hey! You can tell Himmelsbach that a strange guy is asking questions about everything he did with respect to the Cooper case. Maybe you could get him to post to this forum!

Believe anything you want. I used to work in the Salt Pit. They're closing it down now, so am looking for new work. Ckret wouldn't visit when he was in Iraq. Said we didn't have good water.

Hi Jerry, Thanks. But why the cloak and dagger on the owner's name? Are we talking about Jack Fazio? Died September 3, 2007, age 72. Or are we talking about someone else? Thanks for confirming the can. We had gotten that from somewhere else, and I jokingly made a theory that Cooper's fingerprints were on one of the coins in the can. RR tracks next to the barn? Are we talking about the same place? The RR tracks aren't that close to Tena Bar there. There are many metal roofed buildings. There is one building that appears to have normal composition shingles. Did their home have composition shingles? In the pictures, I'm assuming the house they lived in, is within 700 ft of the money find location (I forget the exact number). Does that sound right?

"then perhaps it was something Cooper did that the test failed to duplicate in the same way." georger, Do you think the flaps were at 30 degrees or 15 degrees when Cooper jumped. Explain why. "Don't know" is a reasonable answer. What were the flaps at for the test. I'm just wondering. I've not seen the test report. So when they say they duplicated, I don't know what means. It means they'd have to guess at some point in time in the flight? What about winds aloft? what were they on the test. I'm not saying any of this matters. I just don't know what "duplicate" meant to those doing the test. I love that you read my posts. Who's the idiot. the writer, or the person reading the writer's words? Right now, I am inside your brain. Isn't that funny?

" I know people who could SEARCH circles around you on a routine basis and they work for minimum wage!" I would put it on a bumper sticker and try to sell it on ebay, but I can't imagine anyone else would think of that as a reasonable brag? I'll try though. Nice brag though. Hard to imagine someone yelling it in a bar fight.

"In the Cooper case, everyone forgot to include you as an observer. That was a major screwup. Maybe you werent born yet. Then your mother screwed up! " Now we're making progress. I want to see if I can get you more obsessed with me than Jo. What do you need to accomplish that? I'm wearing womens panties right now. Does that help?

We have lots of good satellite images of amazing detail. However, we had an argument about which of the buildings at the Fazios was the actual residential home. Do you know? The relative closeness of it to the money find location is interesting background. Also: we have guesses as to where the pipeline dredge outputted near Tena Bar in the Summer of '74 and the actual months it was in operation. Do you have more detail on that? Do you have detail on the names of the pipeline dredges that were used by the Corps of Engineers in the summer of '74 by Tena Bar? We also have questions about additional bits of money found at the Ingram dig site. Ckret said there wasn't anything else found. The articles from back then say a bunch of different things but imply small bits of money were found in addition to what the Ingrams found. Plus: Georger has fed us a cock-and-bull story of unknown origin that might be true, that seems to confirm the claims of the little girl Denise in terms of how the money was really found. If you know Himmelsbach, maybe he talked about what really happened in the couple of days around the money find, and the interactions with all the members of the Ingram family. That's just off the top of my head right now.

You'll note that out of 6000 posts, there are very few where people say "Cooper had to have landed here" That's because when you look at the information we have all together, it doesn't coalesce into any one place. And some of the information is murky in terms of correctness. You mentioned that Ckret was a good FBI agent. I was curious about what that meant. Pleasant to talk too? or ?? It was very unclear what he was, IMHO, on this forum. I thought he behaved in ways that went to cross purposes with what his apparent goal was. Sometimes it appears he withheld information. Sometimes it appeared he was just another arrogant FBI guy. If you've met him in person, some feedback might be interesting. I only mention that as an example of how we have very few documents, very small amounts of information. All subject to interpretation. And little contact with the original players. Other than that, life is great. I find that most people involved with this thing act like you do. They like to hold tight to secret information, for no good reason. It's kind of like people think they're part of some play here, and the roles have been laid out from the start, with Himmelsbach showing the lead. For instance, we have no data that says Himmelsbach did a good investigation. You seem to imply otherwise. And that's how it goes. All innuendo, nod-nod, wink-wink, nudge-nudge. And then there's guys like Sluggo and Georger who think they're going to science out the answer from the crappy data we have. The crappy data says the DZ can't be identified. And we have little info on what got searched, in terms of making guesses on what we might exclude. Have you done any research on the number of presumed drowned bodies that were never found in the Columbia? If you're a local you might have some more info. I've researched some, along with suicide jumpers from I-5. Are you familar with the apparent right-hand-outboard-pull mod that was done to the chute Cooper jumped with? All-in-all, the idea that Cooper no-pulled into the Columbia, or near the shoreline is the only thing I can come up with. I believe others don't say anything because nothing else makes sense. For the body to have not been discovered, it would have had to stay in the river. So there's no way you can find it, if so. I don't think there's any place worth searching, if you assume Cooper is dead. NOW: if you just assume Cooper survived, then the searching is not necessarily about "stuff" but about people. That's why it would be nice if you could tell us about what kind of investigative search, if any, Himmelsbach did. Especially around jump clubs of the '60s. If I sound like I'm feeling you out, it's because I am. Georger liked to talk like you were an expert. Are you aware of the hijacker who parachuted wearing cowboy boots? Are you aware of the hijacker who parachuted into the jungle in Honduras? (give up the names if you do) How about the one who jumped at night, at higher air speed than Cooper, even though he had to be shown how to put the parachute on. You're aware they all lived? Have you watched the video of the static line jump out of the 727 back before Cooper did his jump? (CIA).

Use the Quote thing instead of Reply. The idea is to allow multiple overlapping exchanges, by reposting the message you're responding to. The Quote thing automatically encloses the message in the reply and /reply thingees. (edit) then you can type your response at the bottom. If you click on Get Markup Help while you're editing a post, you can see all sorts of wonderful things you can bracket text with. like b and /b (I'm not showing the required brackets) to get bold text like this or if you want to say sluggo is a jerk You'll notice some posters have favorite styles. Jo's posts used to be insane with markup stuff. but she's toned down a bit. Break your posts into paragraphs for easier reading. To avoid chopping the sentences up, only hit Enter on your keyboard when you want a new paragraph. Hit Enter twice if you want a blank line between paragraphs. (edit) You can go back and use Edit on a post to edit posts that you made. Since this can be confusing to a future reader, or someone who already read the post, a convention we sort of have here is to highlight meaningful post edits. I use (edit) Others do other things. Rather than using the standard markups to delineate replys, Georger likes typing "reply>" or something like that at the start of his posts. It's good to snip out long posts, rather than repost the entire thing you're responding to. Georger always reposts the entire message he responds to, even if he's just adding two words. No one complains, but it would be better to snip the original post. Just include enough to provide context for your response.

"" The stairs immediately reacted by becomming abrubtly closed and we could feel a huge pressure bump in our ears. So I quickly got onto the air traffic control center and said, 'I think our friend just took leave of us.'" (PLF's quote of Wm Rataczak) I don't know where this quote text came from, but responding to it: During the flight, Rat couldn't see the stairs. Any stair behavior was only realized after the air drop test. If Rataczak knew in 1971 that the pressure bump was the jump, then why was the jump predicted at 8:11-8:12 if we now have testimony, from 1971, from Rat saying the bump was as they approached Portland? (which was around 8:16-8:18 depending on what you prefer to measure) Also: why does the Taylor article quote Rat saying the bump thing but at 8:12? Rat may have said something we don't know about yet. But there's nothing that makes sense, that is verifiable, that says Rat said anything about where Cooper jumped.

I already posted about how the quote you just posted is likely bogus, for a lot of reasons. I wasn't making a big deal of this. You did. You said Rat said when Cooper bailed. I said he didn't. I was correct and you were wrong. You just can't deal with that. That's the big deal. Did I mention you were wrong? (edit) Georger said: "But you are WAY beyond that, so some mental issue is indicated." Oh yes I am. I am way beyond that. I agree. I already said I have a criminal record in Arizona. (edit) I theorized I was a better opponent than Jo. Am I, Georger? Grade please.

We mentioned him before: Jeffrey B. Bradley, Hydraulic Engineer, US Army Corps of Engineers, Portland District. searching for the words Bradley hydrologist at DZ.com the only other reference is from you, on 2/5/08 (less than 3 weeks ago) you said "Ckret and hydrologist Bradley say the money could not have been at Tina Bar prior to 1974 due to the dredging in 1974. The timeline of rubber band deterioration suggests the money could have been at Tina Bar any LATER than 1974, and have bands still intact by 1980! How do we resolve this conflict? " Where did you find out about Bradley? I don't think the name showed up here before your post. You post was long, which is why I didn't catch the new name. background on Bradley? Do you have a copy of his report?

Jo has used all her wiles developed over 13 years to pester me about that. In hindsight, I'm glad I had the foresight to not say, when I first starting posting after I happened to read about Ckret and the parachute find back in April, 2008, and the ADD engineer theory of Ckret's, and thinking "how hard can this be?" I post to this thread at DZ.com. 377 can verify that. I lose a little on each post, but make it up in volume. *** Do you live in California. I have noted that if you use the available online tools for searching criminal records online, my name shows up in Arizona. But I don't live there. (edit) two m's in snowmman. :)

I'll trust you and your secret source on anything you want. But I have no idea what we're talking about. You posted a single sentence: "Cabin presure fluctuation" What was that in reference to? We were talking about the pressure bump, in context. Are you talking about the oscillations in the transcript or the bump or ?? I may be dense, but the phrase above doesn't add anything, even if it is from a secret source? I'll believe anything. Just need some more.

reading the whole article, Rat claims the bump was at 8:12. He's full of shit in 1996 or 1971. Can't tell which! This is too funny! What do you say to that, Sluggo? from the article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1996/11/17/SC51311.DTL&hw=coopers&sn=001&sc=1000 At 8:12 p.m., ``we felt a little bump and the air pressure changed,'' Rataczak said. ``I got on the radio to air traffic control and said, `I think our friend just took leave of us. Mark the point on your radar.' '' And that was the last fix on D.B. Cooper.

No problem. It wouldn't be the DBC thread if people didn't claim to have secret information. UFOs speak to me thru my TV. Not so much since the transition to digital. Don't tell anyone.

for the "took leave of us" quote from Rat. Nov 17, 1996 We know there are errors in the Michael Taylor article. We've discussed this before. We don't even know for sure if he got the quotes direct from Rataczak. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1996/11/17/SC51311.DTL&hw=coopers&sn=001&sc=1000 It's possible Rat said that. It'd be nice to know if he did, why Ckret didn't report it, and what channel/transcript it's on.