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Actually, a very popular story to illustrate that point exactly: A police officer from a town who's name is escaping me, never carried in church while off-duty, because he considered it wasn't appropriate in a place of worship. Well, eventually, one day a gunman opens fire, killing a large number of people, including the officer's own son. He believes that had he carried concealed that day, he could have saved every one of those lives. Something he has to live with for the rest of his life. He now carries everywhere he goes, including church, as do I. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I've recently received my concealed carry permit for FL, and since that day I've carry concealed everywhere it's lawful for me to do so. I'm not much of a supporter for open carry, because a lot of the open carry supporters are 2A over-obsessed. It's not a step in the right direction though, to ban open carry. People who fear guns will continue to push for more and more laws, until eventually all the guns are banned from their area. Well, at least for law-abiding citizens. There's always a little bit I don't understand from gun-control freaks. Yes I understand their logic, but in today's society, it's not possible. Do I hope for wold peace one day? Of course. I'm not a fan of violence, and neither are the majority of gun owners. Unfortunately, there is evil in this world, and they are the criminals. Note that word: CRIMINAL It means they commit crimes! Committing a crime is breaking the law, so how does the math somehow add up in your heads that having laws against carrying guns means that a person intent of breaking another law is not going to do the same? Bad guys will always have guns...period. From the huge arsenals of organized crime, to the small pistol carried by a mugger. A simple look at history shows that some of the worst mass-shootings in our time, were done in places where it's illegal to carry. Some people don't even want armed LEO's in their children's schools. Now that leaves them pretty much entirely defenseless, if the worst comes to happen. Now I completely respect everyone's viewpoints. As I've said earlier, I understand the logic. The downside is we live in a dangerous world, with bad people. That's reality. Banning concealed carry, and open carry, is taking away the weapons from a law-abiding citizen, who likely bought them in the first place to save you and your loved ones from a bad guy. I like knowing that if I'm ever in a situation like a mall shooting, I can at least do something to end the threat, and save people's lives. Now I'm not a war junkie, vigilante, survivalist, or any other names that gun control freaks have called me before, including some of my friends. Yes, I will admit that there are some people who have an attitude like that, but for the most part they don't, and the ones that do, eventually wake-up and find out that a violent shootout is nothing like the movies or games, and it's a very harsh atmosphere that only your training and equipment can get you out of, hopefully with no post-traumatic stress. When I carry, I have a heightened state of awareness. I double-check everything before I walk out my door: 1. License in pocket. 2. Round in chamber. 3. Full magazine plus extra mag. 4. Weapon properly concealed, decocked, and securely holstered. I recite the 4 weapon safety rules word for word, practice on the range with a variety of mock-situations I might be faced with, including reloading and shooting with 1 hand, should my other hand become incapacitated in a real-life encounter. Yeah, I'm certainly a gun-toting, paranoid, vigilantic 2A nut case that wants to carry my gun around everywhere. The majority of concealed carry holders are very professional, very unassuming, and carry for the purpose of protecting the lives of their loved ones, and others. Now for all of you who still want all 2A rights taken away, or reserved for MIL/LEO only, here's a scenario: Your in line at a coffee shop on a busy morning, wondering what you're going to order. All of the sudden, a man with a gun comes in, ordering everybody to the floor, and proceeds to rob the cashier, who complies. In the above scenario, if the man decides to shoot half the people in the room, there isn't one thing you can do about it, except possibly try to rouse everybody to overwhelm the attacker. Good luck with that. Most people are frozen to inaction in this kind of situation, like the dozen+ onlookers who just watched a high-school girl get gang-raped outside her school, and did nothing. This whole scenario, including a violent shooting, would likely last less than 3min, before the attacker flees. Most police response times are much, much longer than 3min, so the bad guy gets away, never gets caught, and commits a similar crime a month later. Now what if somebody was carrying concealed? As I've said before, they're very unassuming. It could be that father in the corner enjoying hot chocolate with his kids, or the young college graduate chatting it up with his date. So lets continue with the scenario, this time with a concealed carry holder: ...once the man receives all the money, he shoots the cashier. Could have been to prevent a witness, or that he was full of adrenaline, and not thinking clearly. Immediately as he shoots the cashier, another shot comes from across the room, bringing the man down to the floor. His weapon is taken away from him, and is held until the police arrive. The cashier's wound was treated, and the bad guy was taken into custody. Now every situation is different, but if the robber had murderous intentions, or just simply was a violent sociopath, the scenario could have been much, much worse had there not been a concealed holder present. Possibly saving dozens of lives. If this coffee shop banned the carry of firearms, how many people could have died? You think this armed robber would obey a no firearms law? Not a chance. For your amusement, here's a video and an article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8 http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/national/article/74-year-old_n.c._state_senator_shoots_wounds_intruder_at_his_home/287987/P10/ - Note: This senator was very anti-gun. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

That's cool stuff. Its pretty cool that yall have this to bond over too.

Well, that sucks for dudes with NVG's. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

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Does Santa also use a FLIR to determine when people are asleep, or awake? Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Agreed. There hasn't been 1 Pixar movie, or short movie, that I haven't liked, a lot. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'm sort of at a loss for words. Need hard rock to break this cycle. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Ahhhh!!! I've somehow managed to forget about that video. Now you've brought back all that pain and misery. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I remember the poll on whether who was worse, David Hasselhoff, or Gunther. I think this video takes that discussion to a new level: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2jkQcCMUeM Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

and that's when the fight started Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Luckily for me I had grass to break my fall. My coworker wasn't as lucky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmWAP63-M9E Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Our maintenance department isn't the best, but they get the job done. Hard to bring a bird up when the intermediate gearbox oil is frozen to a sludge, or the engine ends up ingesting a bunch of snow chunks, dirt, and sand. I worked TAD with maintenance for 3 months while getting my plane captain designation. When a bird is down, and we need the flights, it's not uncommon for most of them to put in 18-20hr workdays. The SH-60F and HH-60H are both old platforms, which is one of the reasons all HS squadrons are converting to the MH-60S. Like the Navy's F-14, the amount of maintenance hours per flight hour are starting to get extensive. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'm traveling home for Christmas leave on the 19th. I'll keep my eye out while I'm there. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

We fly the SH-60F and the HH-60H Seahawks. It's been so cold, they've been down until today due to mechanical issues. SARLDO, thanks for the words of wisdom. Fallon is quite perilous to low-flying helos, especially under the low-light conditions we've been having. Luckily though the colder weather is giving us more power. Last time we came out here was late July, early August. Some days were so hot our helos couldn't even hover. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

-10F all last week. Luckily our helos were down, because we had a bunch of night flights scheduled. Being a crewman in the back, flying around at night with the door and window open for mountain flying easily puts the cabin at -30F. Then we got dumped on by snow. Just went out to Squaw Valley this weekend. Got dumped on by so much snow, I buried myself snowboarding close to 5 times today. Went to a casino tonight. Played Craps (best casino game ever), and won a grand total of: . . . . . $1 Gotta love Nevada! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I built my buddy's machine, and my own. In all honesty, it's really quite simple, as long as you get matching parts. Often the mobo manual will explain the right connections for the case, and other parts. A lot of people don't build their own, because it seems like a complicated task, when in reality it is not. You can save a ton of money, have better cooling, a better looking case, and no junk preinstalled on the OS. Congrats on taking the time and effort to build it yourself! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I was going to ask the same exact thing. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I always take my goggles off under canopy. Much higher situational awareness, in addition to a greater view. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Without war, we'd all end up in a society similar to that of Demolition Man. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'm thinking of that scene from A Clockwork Orange now, lol! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

So you're watching porn while you wait, right? Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Bet ya wouldn't say that at night, bobbing like a cork in the north atlantic, in February. Yeah JP, watch me come rescue you now, lol! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Clive Owen is a great actor in my eyes, but it depends on what movie he's doing. Children of Men was exceptional, in my books. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.