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You fuck eggs? Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Guns usually keep most people in line, and with that said, Speaker's Corner in 3...2... Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/03/08/james-p-pinkerton-hurt-locker-kathryn-bigelow-oscar-iraq-honor-military/ Are you fuckin' kidding me? It absolutely takes a position on the war. The very first thing you see in the film is a statement, a single card, white on black statement that is clearly anti-war. That is the thesis for the entire film. It's what motivates the main character and explains his actions. WTF? I have to agree with the majority in this thread, that The Hurt Locker doesn't really take a stand whether it's pro, or anti-war. I took from it a, "War is Hell," message, just like Platoon, or Apocalypse Now. It doesn't have to take a stand on the political issues surrounding the war to make it a good movie. There's absolutely no politics in it, which is kind of what ruined The Men Who Stare at Goats for me. The portrayal of James is an interesting view on certain types of soldiers. We've already seen enough movies about the innocent mind ruined by war, but not enough about the soldiers that survive and thrive on that environment. Think of the team of Deltas and their portrayal in Black Hawk Down. Even in the heat of it, their calm, collected manner sets them apart from the other Rangers. What I really think The Hurt Locker was aiming at, is that for some people, going to war is a feeling only the few who have gone can understand, and for a few, it's a rush. Not just an adrenaline rush, but a whole wide range of emotions. I'm not saying that James is a character who has fun with war, but merely a soldier addicted to the entire rush of emotions. Now I haven't been to war, so I really don't have much to back this up, but while I was in SERE school out in San Diego, I experienced a whole range of emotions that really made the whole experience something out of this world, and I'm sure those who have been to SERE as well can back me up. It was fun, but it was hell. It was tiring, yet exhilarating. Terrifying, yet interesting. A great experience overall, even though it sucked, and to a certain extent, enjoyable. In the heat of our evasion I felt a rush like nothing else in this world, and I think it's that rush that this movie tries to convey. One I think it does very well. I didn't even know about The Hurt Locker until I saw it on Comcast on-demand. The whole movie managed to recreate a lot of those same emotions I experienced in SERE, and by the end of it, I was truly stunned I had not heard about it before. I definitely think it deserved all 6 Oscars it received, and trumped the over-hyped eye candy Pandora was. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Getting dipped into freezing cold water repeatedly from a helicopter hoist to become current for night deployments. Air: 45 Water: 54 Wind Speed: 20-30, with gusts to 45 Night Not a very warm experience. Had to do it 3 days in a row, with the other 2 days being a survivor floating in the water. No wonder I caught a bad cold that weekend. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'm too scared to even try chat roulette. There's a lot of f**ked up people around, and some of the stories my friends tell about the program just disturb the hell out of me. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Nice headspace and timing check...tard! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d/ Go ahead. Crawl into the fetal position and cry. That's what I did. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Done! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

AAAHHH! I think my eyes are bleeding. Wow, what friends Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Trainspotting. Just watched it last night Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

When Dave Grossman told us that we should get a concealed license, and carry a gun on us at all times, I never thought one of those times would be skydiving. AAD: On Pilot Chute: Cocked Pin Check: Complete Three 3's Check: Complete Gun: Loaded and Holstered I'm betting we'll be the first to develop helmet holsters Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I've been thinking about how far the Brady supporters will go to accomplish their goal of nationwide confiscation, and banishment of guns. How long until one of them gets angry enough, and attacks a pro-gun supporter, or a concealed carrier? Some people will do anything to accomplish their personal agenda, even resorting to violence for a non-violence goal. It's certainly happened before, with anti-war protests, and other political issues. Though attacking a known carrier when you're unarmed is likely the IQ equivalent of suing a law firm. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'd gladly take a bath in spiders, as long as I never, ever, ever, ever fucking wake up with this thing in the room! Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Another FL law that I really enjoy! If Starbucks decided to prohibit guns from their franchise, and even put up no gun signs on the door, I could still waltz into a Starbucks carrying concealed. Only way I could get into trouble is if someone knew I was carrying, asked me to leave the gun in the car, and I didn't comply. Plus, if Starbucks made a move like that, who's willing to bet that a lot of franchise locations would start getting robbed more often? Even more so if that big no guns sign was on the door. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking about putting some rounds down range, and sighting in my new Aimpoint Micro T-1 for my M4. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Okay, now you're starting to annoy me, because you're beginning to show laziness on your part. The article I posted did cite references. A quick Google search yielded the exact reference they listed. However, since you seem to want a full article with a bibliography at the end, here you go: http://www.iowacarry.org/files/Fact%20Sheet.pdf This may be of particular interest to you: Here's another interesting fact: So now that you've finally gotten your references, are you going to actually look them up this time? Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Seriously guys. I like this topic. Would be a shame to get it closed for personal attacks. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Hey everybody: Chill! No need to be bickering back and forth because of your viewpoints. For the most part, this thread has been a mature discussion. Let's keep it that way. So if I'm reading this correctly, you don't have a problem with concealed carry licensees, but a problem with people acquiring guns in the first place? A lot of states in the US have a fairly difficult process to acquire guns. If a person has no criminal history, no medical history of mental illness, and is a squared-away, mature individual, then there's no reason to deny them the right to self-defense. If they go crazy in 10 years and start shooting, I'd rather see a concealed carrier immediately subdue the threat, than have them gun down dozens of people before police respond. What would have happened during VA-Tech, Fort Hood, Columbine, etc, if teachers and or military members were allowed to carry concealed? A whole bunch of people who would be here today. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion. Here's another proving the same points, and citing references as well: http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp DC's the only exception? Texas there seems to have a lower rate than Illinois, California, and Washington, DC. What about New Hampshire, which allows open carry, in addition to having some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country? http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.htm Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I remember reading an article on LA Times, saying something along the lines that concealed permit holders in FL are above 800% less likely to commit a crime than the general population. Makes since, considering you register your fingerprints with the state. Not too many would-be criminals are into that sort of thing. *EDIT* Found it! http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OpEds/More_Permits_Means_Less_Crime.htm Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Also, here's a link to a whole lot of past-events in which CCW holders, have assisted, or saved a LEO from danger. We're all in the same fight together. If these citizens had not come to their aid, because weapons are restricted, then most of those officers would have died, leaving their cities, and neighborhoods, a more dangerous place. http://www.kc3.com/self_defense/officers_peril.htm Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Now why would you spend an immensely larger amount of money on a bodyguard, have somebody tagging along with you everyday, and still probably have a long response time when they aren't around you? Most bodyguards are not there 100% of the time. The ones that are, cost an INSANE amount of money. They also have to adhere to the gun laws in your area, so there is absolutely no advantage to a bodyguard, unless you're being hunted by the mafia, or something to that extent. You're really not putting forth any remotely clear logic at this point. If you're referring to a bodyguard who is trained with guns, and therefore a better choice, let me remind you that in order to get a concealed license, you must sit through an all day class, in addition to demonstrating proficiency on a live fire shoot. There's also many classes that are dedicated to teaching advanced levels of training to concealed carriers. There's many types of tactical shooting classes, for carbines, concealed carry, knives, and even classes for becoming a bodyguard yourself. I really don't get why you don't think The Armed Citizen applies to you. For one thing, they also post news articles of people who have subdued attackers by non-lethal means, and without weapons. Your idea that because you don't own a gun, it doesn't apply to you, is simply denial. You've got this idea in your head, whether you live in a good neighborhood, or have never been in a life-threatening situation before, that your local law-enforcement, military, and/or bodyguard will protect you. First off, the police have no regulation, policy, or obligation to defend you. If your city has a dire situation someplace else, and a person is holding you and/or your family at gunpoint, there may never be anybody that shows up. They are not obligated to send somebody right away for your protection. This also applies in a state of Rule-of-Law. If there's a natural disaster, uprising, or even something as simple as a power-outage, it can trigger a city/state/nationwide panic. Just look at the Rodney King riots, Hurricane Katrina, and most recently, Haiti. One thing is very common between all these instances. Chaos, anarchy, looters, civil unrest, etc. Let's forget about weapons for a second. The overall thing we're trying to push, is being fully capable of taking care of yourself, and your family. If your city plunges into civil unrest, are you prepared? Do you have a grab&go bag dedicated to that situation if you need to flee the city? Are you prepared with a proper medical kit? Means of communication? Signaling devices? Food? Water? All I'm trying to say, is that history tends to repeat itself. If a bad situation never happens, oh well. If it does, I'm prepared. Stop trying to rely on other people to take care of you, such as LEO, military, bodyguards, home security networks, etc. *BTW, none of this is intended as a personal attack. If it comes across as such, I apologize. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

I'd like to point out that I grew up in an anti-gun family, so I've experienced both sides of the story growing up. In State College, PA, it's a nice, calm area, with very little crime, and not many reasons to own a gun, besides target shooting. Now I'm in Jacksonville, FL, when my apartment complex itself has had 3-4 break-ins within a month long period. Luckily my apartment was not one of them, but I live in a nicer neighborhood than a lot of other parts. In the same neighborhood, my friend had her apartment broken into, and woke up to a strange man in her room, who then ran out. Just recently another friend of mine at the same complex, just 1/2mi from where I live, was mugged by a person using a taser. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

What about Washington DC? The District of Columbia has some of the most strict gun control laws of any US city, yet has one of the highest crime rates. Funny how when you look at the statistics, the crime rate has fallen since the lifting of the handgun ban. You can't really compare one country to another. They are totally different cultures, people, and laws. The amount of crime is what needs to be addressed, not the restriction of firearms. The recent recession, poor neighborhoods, and a failure in the educational system are at fault for crimes. True, according to your logic, the less guns people have, the less the bad guys have. That makes since in a perfect world. What really will happen, if guns are restricted, is that the bad guys won't turn in their guns, the good, law-abiding citizens will, and then the bad guys can have an early Christmas because they know that ordinary citizens aren't carrying anymore. Plus, with the enormous supply of guns that we have, how do you know each city, of every state, will properly dispose of them. Why are there so many Russian AK's in the world, killing our soldiers? The Soviet Union collapsed, and they lost track of their enormous line of firearms. Now the bad guys have even more weapons, due to crooked cops, poor supervision of the transferring of weapons, and so on. It's faulty logic to think that a firearm restriction would mean the complete confiscation, and destruction of all the guns across the US. Not to mention the enormous amount of 2A extremists, that would likely stand-up, refuse the confiscation, and start an uprising. Now our country is in a state of chaos, and possibly anarchy. In the middle of it you have your law-abiding citizens who already gave up their weapons, unable to defend themselves and their families from looters, rioters, and other bad people taking advantage of the situation. Just read The Armed Citizen section of the NRA's website, and you'll get a good idea at how frighteningly often a concealed carry holder stops an armed robbery, a person protects their family at home, and sometimes, saves a cop who's in over his head with an armed gang. If there had been a concealed carrier when those four cops were shot, they could have potentially saved them all. No, it wasn't a real situation, but very similar situations happen, once again, frighteningly often. I can provide you with an entire page of links when a concealed carrier has saved a cop, if you wish to see them. I don't want to clutter the forum. That's also, just saving a cop alone. Regular cases of self-defense happen more regularly. How do I prevent it? By having equal or greater firepower than the aggressor, which I can't do if the government takes away my firearms. Here's a look at SOME of the crazy gun crimes that were stopped just the past couple weeks: http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=11918427 http://www.wftv.com/news/22395063/detail.html http://www.wrno.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=135361&article=6723590 http://www2.wspa.com/spa/news/local/article/spartanburg_deputies_investigate_home_invasion_shooting/32375/ http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2010/01/23/story-columbus-harris-avenue-robber-shot.html?sid=102 http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2010/jan/21/man-shot-liquor-store-robbery-arrested-police-say/ These are also just the ones that made the news. *BTW, right now, as I was typing this, a person knocked on my door (11:44PM). When I called out to ask what they wanted, I got no response, and looking through my peephole, I saw a man I didn't know walking away. Thank God I had my pistol with me, should he have attempted to break-in, or trick me into opening the door. If your desired gun laws were in effect, and this man was armed and broke in, the police would likely have arrived 45min later to take my body away. Gun control, does not work. Not in today's day and age, and certainly not in our country, which is far from perfect. You want people to stop carrying guns, then help stop violent crime in general, first. Once you do that, get back to me, and I'll gladly turn in my guns. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

Funny. Just finished watching The Hurt Locker. Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.