SudsyFist

I can say, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful," though.

But being brown does have its advantages. After all, I can repeatedly say, "nigger," with impunity.

Slayer's aight. I will agree that Pantera rules the fucking shithouse. THAT'S musicianship right there. Rage is edgy, and I listen to them, but I'm not really impressed by their musical talent. I expect more of Morello. I dig Slipknot for different reasons than I dig any of the above. Is that not OK?

The Bill of Rights is a group of amendments to the Constitution. If you read them, you'll see things like, "Congress shall make no law," and, "In all criminal prosecutions," and, "In Suits at common law." In fact, the word, "citizen," isn't even used until the 11th amendment (after the Bill of Rights). If the Bill of Rights only pertained to citizens, then unnaturalized immigrants could kiss speedy trials goodbye, for starters. EDIT: Stupid singular/plural crap.

But in Iraq it was. So...what's the difference? And I'll add that when I served, we were subject to group punishment left and right. Guilt by association: one fucker fucked up, we all paid. So that's not as foreign a concept as it may seem given the example here, and, in fact, it very well can serve a practical purpose. Disclaimer: I don't universally support the notion of group punishment, but I brought it up for bugger all I don't know what.

From where do you get that notion? It outlines the legal framework of our nation as the "supreme Law of the Land" -- it doesn't protect anyone, citizen or not.

I don't think that that's the argument; you're getting mired in absolutes. Conversely, then would the stance of one who supports the law and punishment also advocate that there's nothing wrong with a certain Middle Eastern government's sanctioning of a husband's killing his wife simply for dishonor? The argument is against the taking of life, not against punishment. I thought Rebirth was pretty clear about that.

Kids, this is why you shouldn't sit on your pizza before you eat it.

They wear masks? News to me...

They might do that electronically where he was booked. Or perhaps it was cropped out before CNN posted it. Or maybe they don't need to if you smile (fuck, shoulda tried that).

There's nothing cowardly about a gem of a police mugshot like his.

If that was a valid argument, what could be said about fallen U.S. soldiers in Iraq?

Aight, since I'm welling up listening to The Final Cut right now... Pink Floyd - The Gunners Dream Floating down Through the clouds Memories come rushing Up to meet me now But in the space between the heavens And the corner of some foreign field I had a dream I had a dream Goodbye, Max Goodbye, Ma After the service, when you're Walking slowly to the car And the silver in her hair Shines in the cold November air You hear the tolling bell And touch the silk in your lapel And as the teardrops rise to meet the Comfort of the band You take her frail hand And hold on to the dream A place to stay Enough to eat Somewhere old heroes shuffle Safely down the street, where you can Speak out loud about your doubts and fears, And what's more No one ever disappears, you'll never hear their standard issue Kicking in your door You can relax On both sides of the tracks, and maniacs Don't blow holes In bandsmen by remote control And everyone has recourse to the law And noone kills the children anymore Noone kills the children anymore Night after night Going round and round my brain His dream Is driving me insane In the corner of some foreign field The gunner sleeps tonight What's done is done We cannot just write off his final scene Take heed of the dream Take heed

Yeah, you prolly gotta pretty nice ass, too. Hard to tell, though. Perhaps some depilatory might be in order?

Hangin' out for a body shop at night Ain't it strange what we do to feel alright? Oh yeah

Methinks you're on to sumphin'.

From where did you get that impression? Gee whilickers!

Fuck it all Fuck this world Fuck everything that you stand for Don't belong Don't exist Don't give a shit Don't ever judge me Don't you fucking judge me

Of fantasy and taste...

You bring up a great point here, Jim. Perhaps we're looking at it from the wrong perspective: instead of determining whether the person was brave, perhaps we should address the specific act.

I'm really sorry you had to go through that, man. I truly hope that someday you can find peace, even in that memory.

Even those guys took into account that emotion played a part in ethics, even Aristotle, who was probably the least flexible of them all. Let's take a quick look Aristotle's teleological views, for instance. Virtue is key. Hate, along with a slew of other negative emotions, absolutely works against virtue, and is absolutely wrong. Under Aristotle's framework, your approach isn't virtuous, and therefore wrong. There are other approaches, however, which are just as valid, deontology among them. Me likey Kant. An act is right if and only if you would will that it would become universal law. And going by what you've described thus far, your approach fails this test, too. Utilitarianism, however, is a different beast. You sound like someone who'd like Mill's work. End justifies means. The more people are happy with the outcome, the more good it is. Your approach may fit this one nicely. Be careful, though, utilitarianism has a tendency to bite one in the ass. Hard. Certainly have. But what I consider, "bad," is likely different than yours. If I make a decision based on emotion which I regret for its being bad, then yes, I acknowledge it as a mistake. If, however, emotion influences a decision I make, and I would have anyone else do the same thing in my position, then I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Indeed, it's a tough subject, rife with issues.

I would do that too... however, some condemned killers wouldn't be fazed in the least... Anybody remember that cold-blooded look Timothy McVeigh had when he was about to be executed... pure evil... Devil 1 3. God 0. Hot damn! Not much for me to do here; y'all sell yourselves! I'm beginning to like this job...