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Obviously I don't speak for all wingsuiters, you're simply twisting my words to support your opinion, I didn't say ALL wingsuiters, if I need to say SOME wingsuiters then OK. As for deployment speed I'm perfectly happy jumping mine RW and FF. I've jumped my vented Troll at terminal, yep it's a little harsh but then you would expect that with vents. A friend who BASEs the same canopy also has one a size smaller and unvented, he uses it exclusively for skydiving so he always has his (considerable) BASE skills highly tuned. You aren't the only Sabre hater by a long shot nor am I the sole Sabre fan. As I previously noted the Sabre clearly has had issues with hard openings. PD didn't respond well to that and I also believe that they may have made poor slider size choices. Not every Sabre owner has issues with the canopy though. I'm really not interested in debating this further, it isn't productive. OTOH I am interested in discussing the reasons behind the Sabre's reputation as a hard opener, I have a few theories but also some experiences that don't fully support them. Kinda like I can't really explain the several really hard openings on my super-snivelly Xaos. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Did you ever have the line trim checked? Was it an older canopy with the original lineset? How were your packing skills? Did you get advice from someone who knows how to pack a Sabre correctly? If you had serious problems did you seek the advice of a rigger? I know people who have broken lines on everything from Triathlons to Xaos's, that doesn't mean that those are bad canopies. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

No, I think Angle has the ability to regurgitate what he has read. Shared information is often skewed and often negatively so because angry people are prone to rant while contented people don't have an agenda. OTOH cancer and cigarettes are a relationship that is scientifically documented. BTW Sabres are pretty highly regarded among wingsuiters for their consistent sweet openings and relatively docile behavior. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You're referring to the Sabre as a piece of shit product by inferrence. You know nothing. You have no experience. Your opinion has no value. I may disagree with Steve but I respect his opinion because unlike you he has credibility. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I figure I have about five to ten years left of wanting to go fast, after that I'll be to old to run them out.*** If you have to "run them out" you might not be doing it right. Increasing wingloading probably won't increase your skill level. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

What size is the Sabre? Your wingloading? Got someone at the DZ who is qualified to assess the canopy? Internet advice is no substitute for a talk with your rigger or another experienced and reccommended advisor and hopefully a willing test jumper. Not saying it's a good or bad idea, just don't reject it (or buy it outright) without some advice. One thing to consider is that the Sabre is packing sensitive, not tolerant of poor technique or sloppiness, you'll want good instruction and lots of practice if you want to be happy with the wing. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Well, you clearly have a lot more experience than I do and there is no disputing the hard opening history of some Sabres. On the other hand, not every Sabre owner has had bad experiences, I own five of them, one in particular I would loan to someone needing a super-soft opening canopy because of it's consistent sweet openings. None of my Sabres has a mod, my most recent Sabre came with a slider pocket so big that the canopy sniveled for well over 1000'. I changed to a normal slider and it opened just fine. Packing sensitive, yes. Slider sensitive, absolutely. Evil canopies, no way. And as for the money nothing can even come close, my most expensive Sabre was $400. You hate 'em, I love 'em. No I don't work for PD. Car cover my ass! But keep on dissing them, it keeps the price down for jumpers who like excellent high quality wings for the price of sixteen jumps. I just realized that you must be setting up a smokescreen so you can keep the price down on the Sabre! I'd say thanks but I think I have enough of them already. Sorry if I blew your cover. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

A friend recently threw a 270+ hook using a mechanical alti even though he knew the sight picture was off. Fortunately he wasn't flying his smallish x-brace and was able to stab it out and not die. Turns out the alti had stuck. Ignoring the sight picture isn't a good plan. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

If you pack outdoors around here you probably won't be in the sun anyway. I don't like packing in the rain though. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

My FlySight mount is a velcro pouch for the unit connected to an elastic band with velcro ends that goes around my neck, ear pods for sound. Not connected to my helmet in any way. It's a PITA but until I have sound IN the helmet I like it. I also have two "dytters" and limited hearing to complicate things. I'll be interested in your new mount. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Contact Aerodyne, they might have one used. PD sold me a perfect condition used slider for $40 a year or two ago. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Nice post, thanks for sharing your experience which is, I'm sure, greater than mine. Also I really do hope the OP finds that the canopy suits him and meets his expectations. My posts were based on my less than desirable experiences with the Cobalt as a wingsuit canopy and as a freefall canopy at that wingloading, very possibly it was that particular canopy and/or the aging lineset. Prior to owning the 120 I had enjoyed jumping a friend's 120 and 105 (I think that was the size), that's why I got one for wingsuit. My other concern was the OP's choice of wingsuit canopy despite his lack of experience. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I got lazy and it was raining buckets so I didn't dive, if I had gone the urchins both green and red are guaranteed 10 minutes from home. We may have a new DZ 10 minutes from my house this year too. Two paragliding sites each about 1/2 hour drive, world class BASE two hours, killer snowboarding

Trust me, I understand the time/money thing. BTW skydiving is the most money hungry sport but no aircraft = no wingsuit in general. Most flying for the buck (for me) is PG. Hopefully a speedwing will appease my addiction to flying fast and low. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

What's the sushi like there?Quote Naturally depends where you go but can be spectacular. You can also stuff yourself silly on the cheap with local make-it-yourself sashimi. As I recall we had incredible sushi in Phoenix a few years back thanks to the miracle of air freight. The weather's rotten but I might go dive for free uni tomorrow.

Good! When you get back out west we'll do that. And w/s BASE if I can make the hike. Or just plain w/s. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Nice! I was at Fort Funston last summer, too strong for PG at the dumps but the hangies were having a blast at the fort. I think I'll keep my wings in the air and stick to SCUBA for submerged sports. Keeping on track here: It was not strong enough to soar my wingsuit but I would if i could. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYLXP1eUoI Hit url, then paste the actual url, then hit url again. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

I like all things that fly, I think HG is cool and I would love to jump from one but wouldn't spend time and money learning the ins and outs when I could spend them flying my body trying to reach for a friend's hand at high speeds --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Quote -1 and then some I would LOVE to fly HG, to hell with the time and hope for the money. Skydive, BASE, wingsuit, PG are ALL excellent. All worth every bit of time and money. I seriously hope to learn to fly HG someday, the more I watch the more I want it. Not to mention Yves Rossy, holy fuckin cow! And hot air baloons. Gliders. Jetpacks. Speedwings. Wouldn't spend the time or money? My flyin' ass!!!!!!!!! Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Also one should keep in mind that jumping a canopy over the manufacturer's listed maximum weight will void the warranty. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

OK. I see three ways to change the distance from canopy to jumper center of mass: Line length Riser length Harness length Since line length is typically fixed you can control the other two. Assuming the harness fits reasonably well the only user-variable component is riser length. I believe that the total canopy to center of mass length having an effect on pendulum swing is fairly well established, changing this length through a grossly ill-fitting harness may be apparent but doesn't seem useful. Do you think that the average jumper would notice a performance change by increasing overall length of only a few inches? My guess that a 3-4 inch change is only really noticeable on a canopy with really short lines (read really small canopy) and only when flown aggressively. My set of too-long-for-me risers don't seem to have any effect on a Sabre at 1.6+ even with the hammer down, never tried them on the Xaos though. Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You're calling the Genius a troll? Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Once again we revel in the glory of your genius! Sometimes you eat the bear..............

You're a genius! Sometimes you eat the bear..............

Hop n pops are not jumps, skydiving/freefall time is jumps...Yoru focusing on teh wrong part fo skyding.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, cuz spending time working on canopy control is a waste. I mean that might actually save your or someone else's life. It's way more important to be able to turn points than it is to land safely.Quote Some people even LIKE flying their canopies, some even jump mainly for the canopy flight. What's up with those accuracy guys and swoopers anyway? Sometimes you eat the bear..............