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Yup. I see this leading us to a bad place. Women can play on men's teams, but men can't play on women's teams. How's that for 'equality'? I can't say that segregation appeals to me. I just see many more problems with integration. I don't have the answer, but I think we might need to admit there are differences between the sexes that require some different rules. We're having similar issues with the idea of women in combat. Some women might be able to do it. Most can't. Obviously, some men can't either. We just have to go with percentages. More men are going to be able to drag my shot up rear out of a foxhole and to the medics than women. When captured, I am more willing to live with a man being tortured than a woman. Etc. In sports, are we going to integrate so that men compete against women in everything? Where do we draw the line? I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

I'll buy the first round. I don't care for beer, but I'll buy a pitcher for you guys. I'll have a margarita. Thanks. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

I find the things in this article very disturbing. I can't help but recall, however, that my time in Iraq didn't reveal any of this. The women there were held in high esteem. The new constitution mandates that at least 25% of the parliament be female and the elections yielded higher than that. I have no doubt that there were quietly many old attitudes toward women there, but I found the men very respectful of the women when I was around. Meanwhile, they were quite openly racist in private. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Once again, I question the participation in this discussion (indeed, the facilitation) by a guy called Killer. :) I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Is it wrong that I automatically see the pilot as hot because of this? I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

+1 I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Full story: CBS 5 You gotta love a senator who declares that there should be no debate or discussion on an issue. Apparently this individual is unfamiliar with the age old purpose of a senate. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Andy Christ ... Nicely played, Jerry. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

They never proved I did those things and I was told the record was sealed! I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Although not the type of fraud we are discussing here, I find this disturbing all the same: Article: Felony charges related to election fraud have touched the 2008 race for the highest office in the land. Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot. The officials are accused of taking part in a scheme to fake signatures and names on the primary petitions needed to run for president. Court papers say the plan was hatched by local Democratic Party officials inside the local party headquarters. Among those charged is the former long-time chairman of the St. Joseph County Democratic Party, Butch Morgan, who allegedly ordered the forgeries. He was forced to resign when the allegations were first made public last October, even though his lawyer, Shaw Friedman, told Fox News at the time that Morgan did not do anything wrong. The St. Joseph County Board of Voter Registration's Democratic board member, Pam Brunette, Board of Voter Registration worker Beverly Shelton and Democratic volunteer and former board worker Dustin Blythe also face charges. According to affidavits, St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office worker Lucas Burkett told investigators that he was part of the plan that started in January 2008 "to forge signatures on presidential candidate petitions instead of collecting actual signatures from citizens." The documents state that Burkett told investigators that “he was heavily involved in St. Joseph County political activities with the local Democratic party," and that "he had, in fact, personally forged several such signatures," and had attended meetings at the local Democratic party headquarters, where it was agreed to forge the petitions. Morgan, the County Democratic Chairman, allegedly "instructed Mr. Burkett, Pamela Brunette, Beverly Shelton, and Dustin Blythe to forge ballot petitions for presidential candidates," and that "all of them agreed to follow these instructions" by copying names and signatures from old election petitions. According to affidavits, Burkett told investigators it was his job to "forge petitions for candidate Barack Obama," Shelton "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate Hillary Clinton" and Blythe "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate John Edwards." When Edwards dropped out of the race at the end of January 2008 and Burkett refused to continue the forgeries, Morgan allegedly ordered Blythe to then forge petitions for Barack Obama. Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents. The signature of the board's Republican supervisor, Linda Silcott, which is required for legal certification, appeared to be rubber stamped on the documents. She told investigators that she did not remember signing or authorizing her rubber stamp to be used. Silcott also told investigators that she recognized the handwriting on the alleged forged Obama petitions as that of Blythe's. The South Bend Tribune and independent political newsletter Howey Politics Indiana have reported that a handwriting analyst concluded last fall that Blythe's handwriting matched some of the alleged Obama fakes. When Fox News caught up to Blythe as he left the Voter Registration Board last November and asked him if he forged any signatures or faked any petitions, he repeatedly replied, "I don't have anything to say." The case raises the possibility that the president's campaign and that of Clinton’s, could have been legally challenged in Indiana if the alleged forgeries were discovered during the race. Under state law, presidential candidates need to qualify with 500 signatures from each of Indiana's nine congressional districts. Indiana elections officials say that in St. Joseph County, which is the 2nd Congressional District, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton's camp had 704. But the signatures, which were certified by the elections board, were never challenged. If the number of legitimate signatures for Obama or Clinton fell below the legal requirement of 500, they could have been bounced from the state ballot. Reports have previously put the number of phony signatures for both candidates at about 150, but state investigators plucked names from the petitions at random and cited only 20 individual alleged forgeries as part of their case. They say their investigation of the petitions continues. Multiple voters, including Indiana's former Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan, told Fox News that their names and signatures were phonies. "That's not my signature," Charity Rorie told Fox News as she sat in her kitchen in Mishawaka, Ind.. The mother of four was stunned that her name and signature, and those of her husband, appeared on one of the Obama petitions. She said they "absolutely" were fakes and was troubled that personal details such as their address and birthdays were also included. "It was shocking," she said. "Why did they do that, and where did they get it from?" "I did not sign for Barack Obama," Democratic voter Robert Hunter told Fox News as he stared at the Obama petition that included his name and purported signature supporting the candidate. While he observed that the scrawl looked "very close" to his real one, it was not. "I always put 'Junior' after my name, every time... there's no 'Junior' there," Hunter told us. "I don't like anybody using my name for anything other than myself." "It's scary," Charity said. "A lot of people have already lost faith in politics and the realm of politics and that solidifies our worries and concerns." As for Burkett, a 26-year-old lifelong Democrat, "he is the whistle-blower in this," his lawyer, Andrew B. Jones, told Fox News. "Lucas really is the hero in this situation. He is someone who stood up for good government, and has cooperated with the state police and will continue to do so." I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Ugh! I agree with your analogy of the OB/GYN. And I consider that a rotten job. I went with my wife. My wife is built like a Victoria's Secret model. But after that visit, I can't imagine how an OB/GYN's wife gets him to have sex. I imagine the tanning butler would lose interest in women in a similar manner. It has to be 'just a job'. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

OH FOR CYRING OUT LOUD! This is supposed to be the Bonfire! I let this one go because I expected others to jump on it! I can't really be the only one who thought this comment REEKED of innuendo, can I??? And since Wendy isn't one to intentionally create innuendo, I thought surely other forumites would needle her over this. Where has our sense of impropiety gone??? Frankly, I'm disappointed in the lot of you. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

I have to admit that I'm a bit out of place most everywhere. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Listened to the whole thing. Seemed to me that the student understood the subject better than the teacher. She said she was teaching social studieds. Her comments suggested a strong prejudice against Romney and she ended up having to make up things to support her position. I will not say she should not be teaching because of her political views...the fact that she is a lousy teacher, however... I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

That was truly priceless, sportsfan. I missed that. Freudian? I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

I think both parties have a nice share of rich / trust fund types. The Kennedys leap to mind in the Democratic party. I don't know John Kerry's origins, but he certainly married well. I don't know where Al Gore's money came from. I'll google it after posting this. Reminds me of the US Constitutional Convention...As one historian noted, it was a "Convention of the well-bred, the well-fed, the well-read, and the well-wed." I think villifying one party or another for this condition is mostly an indication of the accuser's preference. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

People who fall into the 'liberal' category are as disparate as those falling into the 'conservative' category. I tend toward the conservative in my life, but do not impose those things on others. I have no issues with homosexuality, plural marriage, legalizing drugs, etc. In politics, I am very libertarian. Many conservatives would see me as liberal. Many liberals would see me as right wing. But I digress. Jimmy Carter was quite liberal, but a devout Christian. I can see where a Christian can reconcile much of the bible's teachings with liberal ideology. I can also see where another reading of the bible's teachings would support a conservative ideology. Most religions enjoy this ambiguity within them. The fact that many vocal atheists identify with liberal ideology does not mean that liberal ideology is to be identified with atheism. That is a form of inductive reasoning that does not support inescapable conclusions. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

No, you really, really don't. The sexual tension between you two is palpable. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Ouch! Lighten up on the racial slurs. There could be some Martians on SC. I'm going to start the timer to see how long before someone comments on the idiots on SC... I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Thanks for the information, Wendy. On the face of it, that form is hysterical. Your story helps make the drafters look less silly. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Um... I really have to stop researching this. The facts are ruining some arguments. I've found lots of information. This one kind of stood out. Lady was convicted of voting multiple times, under multiple names...some were men's names.... I don't want to claim that isolated incidents require overarching laws. But what I'm finding through very simple research is that this is not really isolated. One artile I read indicated that a 1984 gubernatorial election included as many as 100k fraudulent votes. Another article said estimates of ACORN fraud included 400K of 1.3M submissions (this was registration. Not votes). http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/mississippi-naacp-leader-sent-to-prison-for-10-counts-of-voter-fraud/ The article: While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme. In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee. Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing. “This crime cuts against the fabric of our free society,” Judge Webster said. Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross. In the trial, forensic scientist Bo Scales testified that Sowers’s DNA was found on the inner seals of five envelopes containing absentee ballots. This wasn’t Sowers’s first run-in with the law. Sowers previously had her probation revoked for disturbing the peace at a junior high school library, the Commercial Appeal of Memphis reported in 1990. During a hearing at that time, Sowers played the race card. She claimed to be the victim of “an attempt by powerful whites to silence” her, the newspaper reported. It didn’t work. She was ordered back to prison to complete the remaining two years of a three-year sentence she received for check forgery. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

I've only looked at the Alabama and Georgia provisions. Both provide for free ID. I think most voter ID laws provide for a free ID (only reasonable). I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Some people herein are responding that voter fraud is not a big enough problem to require voters to identify themselves. It seems to me that if you are going to have an election, you should take steps to protect the integrity thereof. But that's just me. I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Wendy - I'm just as indignant about speeding. I would love to have those little automated speed traps all over the place. People need to obey the rules or work to get them changed. Those people on the road who drive like lunatics because they are so much more important than the rest of us, leave the house late and have to be at work NOW, just annoy me. - David I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

Rush...wasn't directed at you. Yours was just the last post and I hit 'reply'. I did some down and dirty research to see if there appeared to be a problem and posted what I found. Some people are offended by voter fraud on here. Others appear to not care. I have no idea what your position is and did not mean to indicate such. Sorry for any confusion. - David I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.