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Right, but if I said "godless christians" just about everyone would've known what I was talking about...Especially Amazon. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Has anybody else noticed the peculiarity of this incident given the prior events surrounding this case with regard to Oklahoma’s supplier-secrecy law? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

How so? If I said "Roman Pagans," this wouldn't even be an issue...but I throw the word "godless" out there and people cavil about. I mean, really? I have nearly a page's worth of replies and this is what you want to talk about? Figures... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

godless adjective 1.having or acknowledging no god or deity; atheistic. 2.wicked; evil; sinful. pagan noun 1.one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. Synonyms: polytheist. 2.a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. Synonyms: heathen, gentile; idolator; nonbeliever. 3.an irreligious or hedonistic person. 4.a person deemed savage or uncivilized and morally deficient. adjective 5.pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim. Synonyms: heathen, heathenish, idolatrous, polytheistic. Antonyms: Christian, Jewish, Muslim, monotheistic. 6.of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans. 7.irreligious or hedonistic. Synonyms: unbelieving, godless, atheistic, agnostic; impious, profane, sacrilegious, unholy, ungodly. Antonyms: religious, pious, devout. 8.of a person deemed backward, savage, or uncivilized or morally or spiritually stunted. Synonyms: primitive, uncultivated, uncultured, heathenish, barbaric, barbarous, philistine. Antonyms: civilized, cultivated, cultured, urbane. Perhaps I should've said "Godless Pagan Romans" Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

I knew somebody would bring semantics into the mix... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Is that akin to showing someone the gallows, or the electric chair, in an attempt to scare them? That is not the way I use the term. I see the cross as the bridge by which man can reach God's paradise. ” The cross is an instrument of torture and execution. Used by godless roman pagans to exact punishment on those willing to die for their beliefs... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Pretty soon the Happy Meal toy will be a fork... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

One might say that He would condemn a baby rapist/murder to Hell if said baby rapist/murderer didn't accept His saving grace. ...but then of course, if he did accept His saving grace, many would scoff at the idea that such a baby rapist/murderer could spend eternity in Heaven with the baby he raped and murdered. Ah...the mystical wonders of moralism. The Deadly Dangers of Moralism The link is not directly related to the death penalty, but it's an excellent read when people have the time...I think it puts things into perspective and clarifies many issues. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year. Yes, it's unfortunate. In your opinion, should non-violent misdemeanor crimes (theft, DUI) be a reason to deny someone the right to own a gun after they have served their time? It seems that you are OK with the idea of criminals having guns during the commission of a crime. Just saying that there is a difference between a felonious thug stealing a handgun in Chicagoland and a hunter in with a clean record stealing a hunting rifle in Harrisburg. Now, misdemeanor theft is not currently a reason for someone to be denied access to a gun. Now I think that if there was a law stating that misdemeanor theft of any gun could result in the denial of your right to own a gun, then maybe that would at least deter legal gun owners from stealing...not so much with the felons. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

I erased my post for too much thread drift...I'll bring it up at a better time. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? People who steal things are called "criminals". Over 230,000 guns enter the hands of criminals from so-called "law abiding gun owners" every year. Yes, it's unfortunate. In your opinion, should non-violent misdemeanor crimes (theft, DUI) be a reason to deny someone the right to own a gun after they have served their time? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Are some these criminals hunters with clean criminal records that decided to snatch a hunting rifle sitting in the bed of someone's truck? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Because that would make us look like Nazis rather than Iranians... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Legalistic hair-splitting? Ya, it certainly feels like it. When it comes down to it, this whole thing is just another installment of the classic legalism vs. grace debate. Christianity is certainly rooted in Judaism, and as Christians, I think it's crucial to understand the importance of how the burden of Jewish Law translates into Christian grace. I mean that's really what it's all about. That's the "good news" - How we have been freed from a law that no human could ever live up to except Jesus Christ Himself; and it's through Him that we have been saved, by grace - not the law Furthermore, I also think it's important to understand what it was that Jesus condemned when it came to the Jewish leaders of his day and stop repeating those mistakes. Personally I wish we could all just come together and just trim off all the fat. Let's just throw away all of our extra biblical nonsense and just concentrate on scripture without trying to extend it into areas of life that it does not specifically address. The Jewish leaders took the original Law and began to add volumes upon volumes of oral laws that extended to specific details not addressed in the original...and then when Jesus violated these additional laws, they all flipped out. That's why in Luke 11 He says : "Woe to you lawyers also! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers..." "Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering." The Catholic Church does this with all it's rites and rituals and the Evangelicals do it too with our prosperity gospel, various levels of legalism, moralism - do this, don't do that - can't play musical instruments at church...and on and on and on...and none of it's in scripture. But it's no big deal for evangelicals when we're confronted - we just point the finger and say "don't look at me - that's that church over there, they're responsible for their own mess...don't look at me, that's Westboro - those guys are nuts." It must be frustrating for some Catholics because they don't necessarily have that luxury when defending Catholicism...but they can can denounce some of those tenets and challenge their leaders, rather than minimalizing them and then turning a blind eye to it. I was "raised" Catholic, went to a Catholic school and was an altar server for 8 years - never understood it. After High school I didn't step into a Catholic Church for 9 years unless it was for a wedding, funeral or Baptism. After a very humbling life experience, I thought perhaps I got something wrong...maybe I missed something. So I decided to re-examine my faith and that's when I learned most of what I know about Catholicism. After careful research, I concluded that the reformation got it right, or was at least a step back in the right direction. They brought the Church back to the basics where it needed to be. Now, after years of feeding on more extra-biblical nonsense that has crept into the evangelical Church, it's time to start trimming off that fat again. This was never about those in the Catholic Church being Christian or not, it is about what the Catholic Church "teaches." There are believers and non-believers in every denomination. Do you think I feel that what Westboro teaches is Christian? No, of course not...but that doesn't mean there aren't any Christians there. It all comes down to a matter of the heart. Are people putting their faith in Christ or are they putting it into the Church and it's leaders? Can those leaders be trusted? Are people putting their faith in Christ or or are they putting it into some ritual? Do they understand the ritual? Do they understand their faith? Do they go to Church and think about fishing, or do they go fishing and think about God? Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

It is my understanding that the parts you put in bold were added into the King James Bible and are not present in the original Greek texts. Verses not found in the earliest manuscripts such as john 8-11 for example, are typically noted as such in most bibles. Hebrews 10:10-12 that I quoted are not some of those verses. They are found in many of the earlier manuscripts including the earliest such as p13 (Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 657) and p46 (Chester Beatty II) which date back to 200-250 AD. The entire book of Hebrews has a 98.3% word for word accuracy with about 86 words in question. Two of those words are found in the verses I provided but they are not the ones I emphasized. The two words in question are "body vs. blood" and "priest" vs. "high priest" - no big deal. The words I emphasized are: Ephapax: once for all Dienekes: carried through, continuous They are also used in the following verses: Hebrews 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. I think the literal translation of "Dienekes" is quite remarkable with regard to this subject. It says "carried through, continuous" Christ's Sacrifice has been carried through and is continuous, so there is no reason for priests to "sacrifice" Jesus repeatedly on the Altar. These verses are absolutely clear and the context only emphasizes the point, therefore I maintain that Catholicism, at least on paper, resembles a legalistic, quasi form of Judaism. But I wouldn't extend this belief to those in the Catholic Church. Christ warned people about the religious leaders of his day and I'm just trying to "draw the line" to today's leaders. Luke 20:46 "Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets. The main ones for me are: -The Sacrificial Mass -Transubstantiation -The idea of a mediatrix/co-redemptrix Disonorable mentions: -Purgatory -Indulgences But the Catholic Church adds extra biblical and unnecessary doctrine/rituals, that in my opinion undermine the significance of Christ and draws attention away from him, either directly or indirectly. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Sorry Ron, while I was responding to thunderbow, I was bombarded with distractions and had to step away for a minute and didn't notice your reply after I finished... But I agree.... My only experience with evangelicals who seem to believe that they can save people seems to be limited to new believers in their 20's, many of which somehow managed to land leadership roles in their church. Now I don't know if these kids literally believed that they were actually saving people themselves, but there certainly seemed to be a sense of "zeal without knowledge," (Proverbs 19) and how new believers who become teachers can get all puffed up. (1 Timothy 3) In most cases, they seemed to have grown out of it. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Yes, they do...I apologize for not making that clear enough in my response about Jehovah's witness. I think the word you meant to use was "transubstantiation." ...and you are correct, non-catholics do not believe that we are literally eating the body of Christ and drinking His blood. Jesus referred to Himself as the Bread of Life which is symbolic of the mana the Jews ate in the wilderness. His blood that was shed in his death is symbolic of the blood from animal sacrifices. Mana didn't satisfy the Jews and the animal sacrifices didn't satisfy God...but Jesus said: "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.... “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.... "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this to remember me." In our communion, we're simply coming together to remember the significance of what He did for us. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

That's not what I was taught growing up Catholic. Are you sure about that? That statement was regarding Jehovah's Witness... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Jews are likely to strongly differ with your opinion there (with the exception of the Messianic ones). I'm sure some will..but I believe they're still waiting for a messiah and seem to have given up on the animal sacrifices. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

He said no such thing. Yes he did...he said: "I've met some Catholics that I believe are Christians" The main difference is that though they believe Jesus is the Son of God, they do not believe He is God, the Son. This may not seem like a big deal, but the lack of this belief essentially denies the Deity of Christ which is the most important tenet of the faith. If Jesus is not God incarnate, then Christianity is the biggest hoax ever propagated in the history of humanity. But they wouldn't accept other denominations to participate in their communion, in fact, the Catholic church has made a list of pronouncements anathematizing (condemning to hell)anyone who doesn't believe in transubstantiation. (An extra biblical doctrine) Talk about exclusion and hate... Catholic Anathemas: http://www.catholicliturgy.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/DocumentContents/DocumentIndex/502 It is primarily these antithetical/extra biblical beliefs that sparked the reformation. (And, just to be fair, it was in response to the reformation that the Catholic Church made the pronouncements.) Now, in addition to the Anathemas listed with regard to the Eucharist, you will also see Anathemas regarding the Mass. Catholicism says that the Mass is a sacrifice and that it's necessary for propitiation. It's essentially the same sacrifice as Christs crucifixion. Catholicism believes that this sacrifice needs to continually be performed for the forgiveness of sin, but scripture is quite clear on this issue: Hebrews 10:10 "...And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God..." In a sense, it seems that the Catholic priesthood is mimicking Judaism by playing the high priest, but instead of sacrificing animals which can never take away sin, they "sacrifice" Jesus repeatedly at Mass. You combine this with the Catholic doctrine of Mary being a Co-Redemptrix and you seem to get a quasi form of Judaism mixed with ancient Roman Pagan goddess worship... ...and please understand this - I'm not saying that those in the Catholic Church actually believe these tenets or that they are even aware of them. For me, this is not about judging those who identify with other religions. I do not presume to know what, or how much one actually believes in their heart, nor do I presume to know if they are going to hell or not...so please, just stop it. All I can really do is put forth my perspective on faith and how it has come about...and if that somehow resonates with someone and encourages them to reexamine the faith and make up their own mind, great. The Book of Mormon makes Mormonism distinct, a descendant of Christianity just as Christianity followed from Judaism. Judaism left us wanting. Christianity is the fulfillment of God's promise from the Old testament texts...the only thing left is for the return of Christ, not Joe Smith. I tend to invite the Mormons in when they come by and we discussed this. We found that we are in agreement when it comes Catholicism, so I said : "You guys obviously understand the problems with the Apocrypha and Papal Infallibility, and you seem to agree that the Bible is sufficient...so do you see why I would reject the book of Mormon for the same reasons? They shook their head yes, and went on their way... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

4 year old links are sketchy, but basing you life on a 2000+ year old book is completely logial. *Sighs and Rolls Eyes* I found it sketchy that he actually posted the 4-year old link, not the link itself. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Read that carefully. What's he's saying is not that there is an all knowing creator or intelligent designer, but that "we" and our collective minds examining the universe through science are god. Not an actual god. Not a metaphysical god. A metaphorical one. Given that Einstein was a self proclaimed agnostic who preferred "an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being," I find your commentary to be bit of a stretch. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Mostly because in that time "atheist" was frequently equated with "communist." He was taking the easy way out rather than get mixed up in a HUAC witch hunt. As I understand it, Einstein's first quote was from a friendly letter to Guy H. Raner that had nothing to do with the HUAC either directly or indirectly, and therefore not under any duress. Einstein clearly had a disdain for the "crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth." He was most definitely a self proclaimed agnostic who preferred "an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Well, I suppose that's better than smoking it... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

Where did he demonstrate exclusion and hate? Was it the part where he said that he believes some Catholics are Christians? Was it the part where he said that he believes Glen Beck (A Mormon) was a Christian? Or was it the part where he said "In terms of what is good for America, we can all work together. In terms of eternal life, maybe we should talk." He said nothing that denotes exclusion and hate... If anybody is twisting anything, it's you. It would be nice if we could just have a civil theological discussion about the difference between Evangelicals, Catholics, JW's and Mormons without you interjecting your irrelevant ad hom... There are trivial differences between Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, non-denominational, etc....no big deal. But there are major difference between the foundational tenets of those listed above and Catholicism, JW and Mormonism. They are so much different that you might as well just consider Muslims to be Christians simply because they also believe in Jesus... Now if you want to discuss those differences, great...I think it's rather interesting. But if you just want to flame away, I guess that's your prerogative. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...