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My preference is for an inside person to be designated (in the dirt dive) to give a "HOT" signal to the person giving the exit count. This has the advantage of sounding different from "Ready, Set, Go" to avoid confusion. ..can be combined with 'shake it up' via grips to the Hot person and/or exit count person. Your Mileage May Vary PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Full disclosure: I'm not now nor have I ever been married. I do not have any children I would guess that your mom is providing you with an OPPORTUNITY to learn from her experience and avoid the same situation yourself. If she thought it was a good idea she would advocate the same for you IMneverHO PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

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Perhaps your challenge was only for BillVon but,,, I'd argue that the Puritans in 1692 believed they were applying Biblical principals into practice. Correct me if I am mistaken but are there more Christians on Earth than Moslems. Last I checked the Moslems have more influence globally. Are you arguing that the koran is the most influential piece of literature? Do you want your kids to attend a madrassa? The appeal to popularity of ANY position is fallacious. Argumentum ad populum I suggest studying logical fallacy and avoiding them if you seek to convert others to your position. http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html You were doing OK when it was about vouchers. (your OP) I think your arguement is weak when the recent comments are included. I think your use of absolutes, or anyones use of absolutes for that matter, invites others to easily find flaws in your position. Do you really think that there does not exist one documented instance of the Bible principals being applied harmfully? I predict that you will dispute the Puritans(or others) application of Biblical principals. (with 20/20 hindsight applied naturally) The common defense is 'those are not the REAL Bible principals'. I suggest we apply ourselves to improving the 3R's (or 5C's if you will) and let the kids follow their own path once they have critical thinking skills. If you are just entertaining yourself in a flame war then nevermind. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

The last time I blasted past a rolling road block I discovered the cause was a trooper doing the limit. I was already pulling over when he lit the mars bar. He was cool about it and let me slide because I rattled off most of my record and let him look in my trunk. He laughed when I answered yes to having a lot of money on me. I had $600 cash. He laughed harder when I suggested he hold his nose when looking in my dirty clothes bag, becasuse it actually contained smelly laundry. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Mike Mullins had a glass bottom Helio Stalion jump ship. It was cool but very slippery if you were sitting on the glass. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

I didn't say eliminate child labor laws, I said relax them. When I was 14 I worked bailing hay over the summer. I didn't loose too many limbs and I got good exercise. I had friends that washed dishes year round PART TIME. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

>>If kids don't get an "education," so what? They can always learn what they need to know later in life. >That's completely untrue. If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. I take exception to your use of 'absolutes'. Talk about poor communication skillz, sheesh. I am the exception that proves you wrong. I quit school at 15. (I had all D's & F's) I lied about my age and worked in a die-casting plant. When my class graduated HS I was working doing component level computer repair. In my late 30's I maintained a 4.0 GPA. I agree with the idea of vouchers. Why should people have to support a poor school and pay additional monies for a decent education elsewhere. The fastest way to improve the skoolz is to remove the tenure system and replace it with a merit system. IMneverHO As long as the teachers unions are self preserving monopolys things have little hope of changing. I think the child labor laws should be relaxed too. Then those who are just taking up space in the schools can become productive members of society if they choose. What is your solution to why HS graduates have a high incedence of illiteracy? PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Since the beginning of the paragraph explains why this does not happen during exit, he must be talking about the top of the UP after we pull our string. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

*** I think I used to date you, or maybe I dreamed it. You must have dreamed it, (eeeewwwww) I'm a heterophile guy and I'd remember if I had ever dated a girl named John. PULL! jumpin_Jan edited for speeling "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

I am not an instructor!!! (but I am full of ideas) When I was a student I used to practice my arch at home watching TV. I'll try to explain. I would lay on the floor in front of the TV, with my head closest to the TV and my feet farthest away. I would bend my lower legs so that the BOTTOM of my feet were pointing at the ceiling. (about 90 degrees) I would put my arms out to my sides and bend my elbows so that my thumbs were even with my ears.(about 90 degrees) When a commercial came on I would raise my arms and legs(elbows and knees) off of the floor and balance on my belly button. I would look at the TV. I would try to hold that for a whole commercial. You might try this in bed first and/or with couch cushions under knees and elbows. Think belly button DOWN everything else UP. Be careful and do not try to do this for 30 seconds right away, work up to it. let me repeat Be careful and do not try to do this for 30 seconds right away, work up to it. When you can do this on the ground for 15 seconds, doing it in the air for 60 seconds will be much easier because the wind helps a lot. Good luck and welcome to freefall! PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

(tongue firmly planted in cheek) That's why I advocate using ice as a weapon. By the time they get you to court all they will have is a bag of water. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Here are more interesting quotes from Einstein. I did not compile them, I read them on another forum. The thread I swiped them from is... http://forum.darwincentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13397 They were posted by Ichneumon @ Darwin Central This new letter is hardly any big surprise to those who have bothered to dig through Einstein's other available writings on the subject. For example: "To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world." -- Albert Einstein, letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive "In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task..." -- Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." -- Albert Einstein, letter dated 24 March 1954, included in "Albert Einstein: The Human Side". "It is quite possible that we can do greater things than Jesus, for what is written in the Bible about him is poetically embellished." -- Albert Einstein, quoted in W. I Hermanns "A Talk with Einstein," October 1943 "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment." -- Albert Einstein, letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950 "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever.... This is a somewhat new kind of religion." -- Albert Einstein, letter to Hans Muehsam March 30, 1954; Einstein Archive "I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism." -- Albert Einstein, 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman, Albert Einstein the Human Side "I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls." -- Albert Einstein, The World as I See It, Secaucus, New Jersy: The Citadel Press "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve." -- Albert Einstein in a letter to Beatrice Frohlich, December 17, 1952; Einstein Archive 59-797 "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems." -- Albert Einstein, 1947; from Banesh Hoffmann, Albert Einstein Creator and Rebel, New York "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." -- Albert Einstein, letter to a Baptist pastor in 1953; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 39. "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own — a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." -- Albert Einstein, quoted in The New York Times obituary, April 19, 1955; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Thoughts, New York: Ballantine Books, 1996, p. 134. "Science has therefore been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death. It is therefore easy to see why the churches have always fought science and persecuted its devotees." -- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," in the New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930, pp. 3-4; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, pp. 205-206. "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one." -- Albert Einstein, to Guy H. Raner Jr., September 28, 1949; from Michael R. Gilmore, "Einstein's God: Just What Did Einstein Believe About God?," Skeptic, 1997, 5(2):64. "I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. Your counter-arguments seem to me very correct and could hardly be better formulated. It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere—childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world as far—as we can grasp it. And that is all."-- Albert Einstein, to Guy H. Raner Jr., July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; from Michael R. Gilmore, "Einstein's God: Just What Did Einstein Believe About God?," Skeptic, 1997, 5(2):62. Einstein's "God", his "religion", was the deep spiritual awe he felt in contemplation of the majestic breadth and depth and orderliness of the Universe itself: "The religious feeling engendered by experiencing the logical comprehensibility of profound interrelations is of a somewhat different sort from the feeling that one usually calls religious. It is more a feeling of awe at the scheme that is manifested in the material universe. It does not lead us to take the step of fashioning a god-like being in our own image-a personage who makes demands of us and who takes an interest in us as individuals. There is in this neither a will nor a goal, nor a must, but only sheer being. For this reason, people of our type see in morality a purely human matter, albeit the most important in the human sphere." -- Albert Einstein, letter to a Rabbi in Chicago; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton University Press, 1981, pp. 69-70. "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

You are lucky it was not a snapping turtle, else you might have 3 crooked fingers in your sig. EDIT: adding link http://www.4to40.com/encyclopedia/index.asp?id=620 from the link "A handler must also be wary of injury; snapping turtles are aptly named, as they can snap with amazing speed and power - a large adult snapper can easily bite off a finger or toe." PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

>How are you a used to be Christian if you never even read the Gospel? Simple, I used to believe Christ was a savior. I was much younger and slightly more ignorant. I don't even celebrate X-mas any more as I feel that would be hypocritical. Last I checked God has no literacy requirement. IMneverHO you reinforce my position at the expense of your own. Please edit your post to make it clear that your question is seperate from my quoted reply. PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

>>>>Please dont put words in my mouth. They are your own words! It was a question. (notice the punctuation) Unless you were putting words in my mouth in the guise of a question. Your response leads me to think that. >>>>Do you believe in God? I do not believe in the Christian God or any (known to me) 'religion'. I'm a recovering used-to-be-Christian. I'm Higher Powered, 24 hours at a time. PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

------------------------------------------ I doubt this will persuade the faithful... ------------------------------------------ >Did you ever wonder why that is? I used to wonder, I do not any more. >Or is it believed that those who have faith are non-listening, non-searching, fools? I think some are closed minded. I think some are fools. I think some are ignorant. I think some are populists. Some are 'all of the above' IMneverHO and some 'none of the above'. >Surely you have actually read the Gospel? Nope! My question addressed how you chose your faith as the 'correct' one. Did you make your choice without study of other faiths? If you did,,, What if some other faith is the 'correct' one? What if those of some other faith feel the 'real love' and it is more powerful? I would hazard a guess that those of other faiths have as strong of a conviction in their faith as you do in yours. Are they non-listening, non-searching, fools? (in your opinion) I DID/DO listen, I DO search, and you are invited to think of me as a fool. >I am curious to know why you believe those who live by faith do not live in reality? My reality relies on demonstrable repeatable facts. I do not expect or demand you share my views. >The truth is that you dont know whether he is real or not, so why would you be so faithful to him not being real? The truth is that you do not know what I 'know'. I consider your claim of said knowlege projection of your views on my opinion. >Those who find faith have been convinced, that doesnt necessarily mean they are foolish. I agree. What puzzles me is why, when an atheist or agnostic clearly states what they require in the way of proof, that some of the faithful (predominately Christians on English speaking forums) ignore those statements regarding rules of debate. Witnessing seems not to get any traction yet that is typically what is offered. I'm happy that you have found what works for you. My reality works for me. Fair enough? PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Here is my thimblefull of fuel to the fire. Logic and debate has been well defined for many moons. Logic links: for Atheists/Agnostics http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html for the Faithful http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html Regarding science, proof, and definitions: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html I doubt this will persuade the faithful but it may help them understand what's required to persuade the atheists. Question for those who think some book is/was dictated from god. How do you choose which out of the conflicting books to place your faith in? I relate to my reality not by what God is but by what he is _NOT_. I am not God so I make an effort to limit my use of the word "SHOULD". PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Yes I was referencing a POSSIBLE jump point that put the money upstream of the discovery location. PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

One mans OPINION. With new 'data', those who were convinced that the money had to be transported after the fact need to regroup. Considering they were 10-20% of the posts in the thread, and many of the other posters played off of those posts, the lull seems natural. Sad but true IMneverHO. This thread has generated some excellent tag lines though. PULL! jumpin_Jan Dangerous toys are fun, but ya could get hurt -- Vash The Stampede "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

He/She Does not like Dinosaur Governments either! PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Please note: I don't consider having an axe to grind a charachter flaw!!! Based on observations in the last few days,,, I think grinding past razor sharp is wasteful. I think you made your point days ago. Perhaps I am humor impaired? PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

I doubt a kid would want a non-ipod but,,, SanDisk Sansa Express 1 GB MP3 Player. under $30USD at amazon.com It can be expanded with microSD memory cards too. (at a cost of shorter run time) I have one and I like it. It's tiny but last 6-8 hours on a charge. I also have a 4Gig Creative MuVo^2 that is gathering dust since I was gifted the Sansa. I'm gonna remove the CF disk drive for my Canon Rebel SLR. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

As you can see by the map, 20:20 puts you considerably south of Portland. Sluggo_Monster Thx Sluggo! Your reply and pics. reinforce by belief in the usefulness of Occams Razor. Perhaps a new physical search for remains is in order. I do a bit of 3d stuff too, resurrecting old dropzones. I use 3dem initially then export/import to Blender for animation. What toys do you use? PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede

Correct. Exceptions were first pass ever @ 208 kts and in the following years there were a few high speed passes made. PULL! jumpin_Jan "Dangerous toys are fun but ya could get hurt" -- Vash The Stampede