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Quebec would be nice if it weren't for all the damned Québecois. The same can be said for Eloy. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

No, you're not the only one. I read it too but some are choosing to ignore that part of the story and assume the mother was just a bad parent because her baby was talking. Just a point of clarification, I specifically qualified my discussion of poor parental control as not appearing relevant to this incident. That said, when talking about tantrums, I think several people here are dodging responsibility. Now I've only had one child, but teaching her that screaming was not an effective method for communicating was pretty easy. It started when we instituted a bedtime when she was about 12 weeks old. The first night she screamed for 45 minutes till she was worn out. The second night she didn't quite make half an hour. The third she lasted 10 minutes, and the fourth & fifth less than a minute. After that she never threw a tantrum, and the last time I remember her screaming for even a short period of time was a few months past her first birthday. She first flew by herself at age 5, without any problems (according to the stewardesses). Perhaps I just got lucky and if I ever have another kid I'll realize that they don't all learn so easily. But in my experience so far, the way to cure tantrums is simply being patient and more stubborn than them. On the other side of that coin, parents who even *occasionally* cave to such demonstrations have taught their children that being annoying will eventually get them what they want. While they certainly deserve the results of giving such a lesson, the people around them shouldn't have to put up with the fruit of their labors (or lack thereof). For what it's worth, I treat other people's kids with the same basic approach. Those who come up and interrupt a conversation at the DZ will be ignored once or twice, then told they are interrupting and will have to wait. If they try to interrupt after that, I'll ignore them until I've finished my conversation and then walk away without acknowledging them. Maybe I'm just being an asshole, but I think kids should be taught proper methods of communication early and often, and I don't yield to impoliteness, be it screaming, interruptions, or demands. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

A kid who has learned that screaming gets them nothing more than a sore throat doesn't tend to scream (except possibly in pain, as you and normiss both correctly pointed out regarding pressurization). Yes, I think a parent who can't control their children is doing a poor job. Sure, there are exceptions for pain, and many will experience isolated incidents regardless, but if the child normally screams and kicks when not getting their way, it's almost assuredly the parents' fault. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

18 days till Prairie.... Oh, and nice sig line. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Not take them on a plane until they're confident the child won't scream or throw a tantrum. It's not that difficult. Children throw fits to get attention. If you promptly ignore ALL such attempts, and immediately give positive reinforcement when they politely ask for something, they'll learn pretty quickly. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

What he said. Although it doesn't (yet) seem pertinent to this incident, I'm a firm believer that parents who can't control their children in public should stay home until such time as they can. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

PM me a Picture and I will forward it on to beth for review. I think Beth has already had an opportunity to form her opinion of them. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

So is there a larger branch of this clique called "I think Daves alright"? No. I would consider sanctioning a "I think Dave is merely amazing" clique, but anything broader than that falls into the "I'm ignorant of Dave's greatness" clique. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Somehow that sounds naughty, but also very nice. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I didn't realize I was even in a clique. It's probably just a bunch of losers like me. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I fished for a living for a few years. I'm older now and my body can't take that kind of punishment. When I get rummy I try to accomodate a better night of sleep. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I was going to post something like what he said, but don't see much opportunity to improve upon it, so I'll just say "+1". Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

He has no respect for Dems, he's just a guy that is really good at pissing off libs. He only pisses off the libs that associate with the Democratic party. All the libs who call themselves Republicans are brainwashed into thinking that supporting him makes them conservative. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Australia, France, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Canada. Japan would be nice for a couple years, but not forever. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

The Bonfire has approximately the same number of idiots as Speaker's Corner, but their posts are diluted to a much greater extent there. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

So you don't care about seeing me, you just want to see my cock? Thanks madjohn...I feel so cheap. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

That woman needs a role on Fat Albert! Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

It is red... you could wear it at the red nighty party.

Looking at the top five, I think I'd prefer either of the two women (Pelosi or Rice) to any of the men (Bush, Cheney, and Byrd). Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

From CNN.com Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I don't need that...she found me here (sort of). Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

Since we've all learned that the few intelligible portions of his pathetic attempts at speech are lies, nobody listens to him anymore. Thus, his trying to recite this would be as good as any other, and the end would certainly justify the means. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I'm sure she appreciates the respect you show for her sacrifices. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

I'll answer your questions if you want any more people. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)

If thats correct than eventually they will be sued for false advertisement, because if mt memory serves me corectly "Lunecta is the only non-addictive sleep aid" (according to the commercial) I thought what they said was "Lunesta is the only sleep-aid approved for long-term use" or something along those lines. Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew)