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Actually its common for a pilot chute in tow to be able to pull the main once the reserve is out. The pressure is released the main closing loop gets loose. If the main bridle isn't fully trapped and whats left of the PC has enough drag -two out- you got CReW. --------------------------------------------------- I cutaway first, then pulled my reserve, past the collapsed pilot chute, I think as the reserve opened the main shot out and the cutaway worked fine, if it hadn't have cutaway and opened it would have released when open, its outahere Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

I just took Jeff Noblikopft

ok, I give up... I'll just cut the tabs off my V2 and sew them on the SM1 myself. --------------------------- I thought you wanted the s-fly cutaway!!!!!!!!!!!!! look its pretty much decided that 2 arm zips is the way to go

That would be a very long cable on the SM1, and those who don't have a dedicated WS rig like the quick hook up a zipper gives ------------------------------------ thats our whole way of thinking, some skydivers like to go freefly or flat fly, they dont have 2 rigs so were trying to make is easy to do that, just throw it on and go jump that big cloud, Another good point with the 2 arm zips is that there both right in front of your face, you dont have to go hunt for it with your canopy throwing you around, Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

On your original suits, the wings were held by an RSL clip and a velcro strip on the bottom portion of the wing, then on the newer suits the bottom portion was sewn, with the velcro moved to along the arms. If you replace the sewn part with cables and loops, with the handles being at the hips/laterals, so that the jumper could pull the cables up rather than down( reaching past the knees on the SM1 would be hard) then the jumper could release enough of the wing to be able to reach their risers. The top portion of the wing would still be zippered on, and the cables would only have to be hooked up once then left alone. --------------------------- I've thought of doing that. yes the SM1 has such a long wing you couldent go to the knee, youd have to pull from above, but then wouldent I do to the same system as BM PF and not bother with the big zipz at the arm to body attach, its the easyest way to build as the one system puts the rig on is the cutaway also, Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

why couldnt you intergate the standard cutaway cables on the inside of the arm somewhere, but outside the airlocks, as a supplement to the zippers, ...ala sugar glider.. you still would rigup with the zippers, the cables are always connected unless you have to usethem. the idea of a wingsuit, with no immediate access to you r arms, just seems like a bad idea. ---------------------------------------------- that might be ok, my point here is though that is just as easy to unzip the arm as it is to pull a cable, you do it every jump, Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

Howdy Tony, Why don't you just make the cable cutaway an option ? I've got over 1,000 jumps on my BM classic and never had to use the cables. When I order my new suit from ya, I'd prefer just the zippers. Loved your Acro demo, that I jumped in Pepperell. Helped this Smurf say up with the 6 footers !!!! Will stop by and see you in January, if you stay in FL. for a few minutes. Blueskys!!! Josh "Papa Smurf" Wolfe ------------------------------------------ yayyy, my second convert

You reached up to the opposite toggle to release it with your arm still in the wing? Thats the only way to "fix" a brakefire. Or are you saying you temporarily neutralized the turn? That would be very hard if someone was very heavily loaded like a few wingsuiters are. And for those that want to fly the suit in the BASE environment it would prevent dealing with line overs, having to fly the canopy backwards from a near wall strike. ------------------------------------------------- It was the second jump on my new Sabre 2, the left side wasn't opening so I "pumped" the left back riser and got the canopy open, when I let up on the back riser it turned to the right, so I pulled the riser back down and got it flying straight, unzipped that arm, then the other [I think] and popped the remaining break, yano I can get to my toggles with my wings on, haven't tried it lately, I'll try today, were all jumping the last of the f&d today Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

no the pilot chute was out, jammed with the bridle, tha bag was out of the container but the flap of the container(those over the shoulders) were closed, so the cut-away of the main did not work. need to take the risers, free them and deploy aux canopy. -------------------------- ah yes so the bag was out, with no pilot chute, hmm that seems to me to be a reason to keep the sides of the rig sewn up, not an open container like Ive heard some people do, I had two hacky mals in one month yano, lost the fist one, [kids picked it up] but i found the second one, [ I was rehearsing my story to PD about losing a second demo in a month the whole time looking] but I found it and the hacky had gone around the bridle tied a knot and then went up inside the hole at the bottom of the pilot chute, I put a wiffle ball on there and haven't had a prob since, I think his rig wont go on my back

Ah that was Norman Kent, what an honor! Did you tell him not to walk on concrete with his booties on? And I think Marco meant a bag lock. ----------------------------------------- yes an honor, and what a nice bloke he is too, Jeff has some great shots of him with the biggest hand held camera, and of course he wont walk with his legs on, he's civilized, like wot I am a bag lock, UUUUUUUUU yucky, I had a bag lock once and as I was looking at it my feet went up above me, so I was head down looking at my baglock between my legs, cutaway, yahoooo but he talked about the pilot chute malfunctioning ???? ok so we have a bag lock and the risers dont release the riser covers like they should, iccy cos you are descending at a very fast lick, who knows what your leg wings could do in that situation, hmm if you discovered that at 2 thousand feet you have 10 secs before the ground cometh, not much time for anything, think quick, couldn't I still reach my risers to pull em off? you have 5 secs to do somth so Im gonna cutaway my wings and pull on the risers, UUUUU isn't that gonna take up my 5 sec's working time? are you sure that was a bag lock I don't like bag locks Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

I did always like the S-fly cutaway, its also the inflation when flat flying, brill, but for backflying there is no inflation and messing with the chest cutaway every jump.....you could have a handle either side of center like Chuck said. the arm zipper's seems so easy and cute

The only time I need to detach the wings are if I need to deal with twists or a brake fire. Some twists you can just grab the risers low just above the links and make things good but a brakefire requires a longer reach. ------------------------------- Ive fixed a break fire with my back riser, Sabre 2 120, easy Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

BECAUSE i HATE MESSING WITH SOMTH ON EVERY JUMP THAT i MIGHT NEVER USE opps, dint mean to write that in capitals Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

Jezz I dunno, Im just a simple jumpsuit designer, you could wear your cool T over the full body spandex underwear you now wear cos your a super fast, shooting across the sky speed freak, it might stop people laughing at you looking like a tart in spandex Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

don't wear a fluffy sweater -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Will you print that on the warning label? -------------------------------- ha, but seriously, I've said for many years that skydivers need to go out to a ski shop and buy some good polypropylene [or whatever] underwear so you don't "bulk up" so much under the suit, after jumping over those snow capped mountains last month, [did you see the movie? I watch it every day

VOC, right.... don't you think its great hearing about all the different problems we can all get, I think its a great way to develop stuff, plus a learning time for beginners maybe Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

well getting into a canopy collision while wingsuiting seems an odd thing considering the separation we get, maybe if you have two arm zips don't open close to another wingsuiter

Well this is one way to get VOC in to your product development process I have used my arm wing cut away twice due to jammed zippers. It may take longer to attach but I'm very happy I have them Raising your knees with the centrifugal force of a spinning mal could prove tricky. ------------------------------------ ok, again if one zip jams use the other, If I couldn't lift my legs due to centrifugal force's I think its time to cutaway, and lastly James, what's VOC?

I can imagine a scenario where one arm or hand is injured and not able to help unzip the good arm. For this reason the pf and birdman type release cables would seem to have an advantage. The S-Fly style single handle system that can be reached easily with either hand seems even better. --------------------------------- ok yes the s-fly would be best in this situation, do you think you could cut both sides away with the standard BM PF with one hand? ok so one hand is immobilized, I would unzip that hand ummm

What if your zippers jam and refuse to open up? Even if you don't have a mal, you won't be able to reach your toggles and you'll have to harness turn yourself towards a no-flare landing. For me, this is the ONLY reason to have a cutaway (neither of the two you listed are worries to me). -------------------------------- now as many people have never had an arm zipper jam on this jump you get two jam, chance's are slim, if that happend Id fly the canopy on back risers Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

And actually, I like the S-Fly cable-release system the best. I'm actually playing around with the idea of working with a rigger to modify my SM1 to use a similar system. ---------------------------------- you'll lose the air lock in the arms if you do that Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

-a pending canopy collision where you need to reach a riser to quickly turn -a main "mal" that can be fixed if immediately dealt with (like a spin caused by a brake toggle release on deployment) ---------------------------------- both these problems should be sorted just by reaching up and grabbing a back riser, its easy to do if you lift your knee on the bigger wings, something to practice on any skydive, in both the above case's you wont have time to cutaway I think Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

ok all good, but every jump you release the arm zips, now in an emergency you have to do something different.......... plus in a spinning mall cutaway why would you release the arms? Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

But we do have a new air inlet on the arms , its two small inlets [like the reg back inlet] they face each other at the top of the arm, they seem to work good in all altitudes of flight and seem to be less drag over the arm itself, I also did a quicky arm release on a test suit that I like, two arm zips, if one should jam then just undo the other. I don't go with the reasoning that you need to get to your rig as the one guy had a pilot chute in tow and it didn't cutaway after he released the main, no main will go when you cutaway a pilot chute in tow, it goes when you deploy the reserve, assuming your low when you deploy the main you don't need to be cutting wings away and messing with the container at that altitude, So can anyone think of a good reason why 2 arm zips wont be a suitable system on wingsuit? Life is a series of wonderful opportunities, brilliantly disguised as impossible situations. tonysuits.com

yes, it was somthing I tried to balance the suit, the bigger arm was ok on the arm load and were gonna do more testing somtime, The SM1 was lighter on the arm, has just as much lift and is faster so thats that for the time being, I have to get to work and stop playing for a bit