ErricoMalatesta

Woah! That's what I'd call the pure insider knowledge I guess I am stuck thinking in terms of the big picture... Which way will France go? Im no expert on the political climate of France but they seem to have a fairly rich conservative old money feel so the old guy probably has it.

Sorry about that, it was in response to the original poster. Hit the wrong reply button. My bad! Ok

Right or left wing capitalism, Eany-meany-miney-mo..

Ok I will, you are fairly new to the forums so I will give you some advice. Go search the 50 or more threads that are on this topic here and have been beaten to death. Once you have read every single one come back and post again. I will give you some advice in return. If the topic is done to death no one is making you read the repeat spam posts of 9/11 conspiracy bullshit this guy is putting up, yet not only are you doing that you are also dishing out a paragraph long conversation to me, and I didn't even start the thread. Don't click the thread and have a glass of wine instead. I didn't ask how as I also don't give a shit like everyone else. I asked WHY which would elicit A.comedy, B. make him flounder or C. Generally a mix of both Perhaps you should read what I wrote more carefully.

Perhaps you can work with me here and give me your tinfoil hat reasoning for the U.S government or is it icke's reptilians? For carrying out a false flag terrorist act? AND Supposing that you are correct why it is a big deal? Given the far larger injustices and atrocities in the world, largely carried out by the U.S government that AREN’T secret tinfoil hat operations.

Looks like the usual hollywood wankfest about poverty and racism rather than poverty and class difference

Without getting into boogies, videos for commercial release and the legal system and just focusing on the person to person relation someone brought up... If you are jumping a number of times with someone taking film and they don't give you a copy but flaunt it all over myspace or youtube for their personal collection, obviously they are not your friend, so... A. Don't jump with them/avoid them or if that is unavoidable ask them politely not to film you B. Ask if you can have a copy of the footage if they continue to film you, if still no C. Punch them the fuck out content in the fact they deserved it On a regular jump with regular people and no special use for the film, everyone being filmed has just as much right to a copy as the person with the camera on his head. Within reason of course, filmed people brought a usb stick along or a blank dvd for a hard copy and there are no hassles and the filmer doesn't have to go home with two hours worth of copying for everyone homework. If they don't share regardless they're probably just a jerk, make friends and swap footage so you have what you filmed and yourself on film.

Perhaps you can work with me here and give me your tinfoil hat reasoning for the U.S government or is it icke's reptilians? For carrying out a false flag terrorist act? AND Supposing that you are correct why it is a big deal? Given the far larger injustices and atrocities in the world, largely carried out by the U.S government that AREN’T secret tinfoil hat operations.

The people who should read this book for the pretty well known facts it gives never will but they amount to the following

Don't carve that one in stone

We have cycles in the US that we call "El Nino" or "La Nina". Do you guys down there use similar terminology? You realise Australia doesn't share its boarder with any spanish speaking countries right? Indeed, that's why I asked if "similar terminology" was used to describe weather patterns that have a broad effect. See how that works? Ok They probably use terms such as "excessive rain" and "drought"...

We have cycles in the US that we call "El Nino" or "La Nina". Do you guys down there use similar terminology? You realise Australia doesn't share its boarder with any spanish speaking countries right?

And this tells us all we need to know about your sence of......just what is that??? If you really expect serious discussion.. how about trying to be a real person . I no longer expect serious dicussion from you because I know you are not able to give it beyond making a statement that is wrong and having it proven as wrong and then simply moving on to pointless chatter, like you are doing right now.

AKA have no rebuttals so just make snide remarks with smart sounding words

You had accused me of only reading 1984( or was it Animal Farm) in a high school class.. go answer the question for yourself Mr Expert. Mr Blair aka Orwell? He went to Spain, I already had to explain this to you remember? I will tell you how it went even though its about one mouse wheel flick up the page... Me - Orwell fought with Marxists and Anarchists You - HAVE YOU READ ANY OF HIS BOOKS WITH STATEMENTS LIKE THAT? (OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVN'T! WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?) Me - In 1936 Orwell went to Spain to fight Franco You - far leftist intelligencia blah blah blah (wiping away the egg) Me - Why would you feign astonishment about him fighting with anarchists? obviously you didn't know to begin with... You - Here is a bizarre trick question where did Mr Blair go in 1936 Present Me - You are now using Orwell’s birth name to ask a question which I previously inadvertently answered and you had no idea about it and then pretended that you did, so where is this going? Future You - Some crazy question and no counter argument to anything I say

Think about where Mr Blair went with his wife in 1936...since you are such a historical expert. You have an amazing ability to give no counter claims or points for rejecting my arguments. Mr Blair and his wife? You tell me since you are such an expert of subject divergence

Whoa put the whiskey bottle down

That looks like a sweet job and now that you have bumped the thread... I’m just going to have to go through it with my cup of tea in hand and dish out some sanity You later correct what you mean with this but for the moment, SUPER LOL 1. Iran have not attacked another country in modern history 2. As others have said when you attack countries with no WMD's and negotiate with ones who have them , you send a clear message. 3. U.S have 10,000 nukes, Israel have a couple thou, Iran is not allowed ONE, MAYBE, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, MAYBE. Sure one can if you ignore the number one international law of supreme aggression. Hezbollah is not a terrorist group. The current war on terror? Or the actual war on terror initiated under Reagan? Lets go with the current phase to keep the numbers of U.S kills out of the millions… Afghanistan? Iraq? Iraq 600,000+ from John Hopkins 650,00+ from MIT in October 06 2,000,000+ Refugees currently at a rate of 50,000 a month The rise in infant mortality is unprecedented in history and now worse than sub-Saharan Africa Afghanistan I don’t have on hand but you can be sure to had a few 10,000 more. This is a very popular saying amongst Americans. Another popular thing for Americans is to forget the U.N charter and that invading countries is the ‘supreme international crime’ in the words of the Nuremberg tribunal. You are only right with this statement if you are talking about the people who hold those ideals, not all fundamental Islamists or Muslims in general. These ideals being held by a very small minority of Islamists the majority of whom are concerned with Islam in the Arab world and who are themselves a minority within Islam. Incredibly well said and documented throughout the 20th century.

There is your problem(s) You'd prefer to think we are all like you. (left wing) Or at least THINK we are like you THINK you are ... "one-up on the rest of society" Gimme a break! It was humor about jumping not about the politics

I will concede those are all valid points you have made This being the original point of discussion I feel it necessary to point out that the countries I listed DO have a representation of almost all cultures and races and you guys are now just arguing that the U.S has more. So great the U.S has more, excellent, it also has a much larger population. The rest of the west still has equal immigration policies and wide representations of world culture.

Ok so you question me saying he fought for communism and along side Marxists and Anarchists as if I just made it up out of thin air and now you pretend like you knew all along? You are alluding to what with this? Yours and GQ's military service? I don't really even need to say the following shit for anyone who knows 20th century history but serving the U.S military is the exact opposite of standing against fascism and totalitarian states (with the obvious exception of WW2) given the U.S track record of installing them or supporting them. Or are you just displaying your obvious resentment for my reading and writing abilities and for what I say, by now what? twice? three times? Over a couple of different threads? Trying to insinuate I have never done anything active? Non-academic? You should be able to have a conversation without getting your knickers in a twist and making sly personal comments. Although maybe you just have the hots for me?

Do you have the results of a study or official statement from any credible (read non-partisan) journalistic society to support this "widely accepted fact"? Nope you are just going to have to take my word on this one I guess. Why on God's green earth would that bother you as a "fellow skydiver"? Skydiver? Yeah, right. Fill out your profile. "Dude" I talk enough about jumping in real life, I'm not here to talk about it more and fill out my profile like anyone cares. The internet is for alt-tabing between essays and political talk. I'm not going to go off to forum.politics.com. Obviously I am going to go to the political sub-forum of a webpage I'm already interested in for other reasons, and... It bothers me because I enjoy ignoring the fact we come from all walks of life including ex-military/conservatives/right-wingers and prefer to think that we are all renegade left wingers who adventurously have one-up on the rest of society Although to be honest it bothers me more as a human being that people (read Aamericans) watch fox news and don't die from laughter or realise they should be.

Are you sure you read ANY of his books???? With statements like that ... With statements like that? He fought under the anti-Stalinist communist party along side Marxists and anarchists in the Spanish civil war. He went from north London to Spain in 1936 specifically to take up arms with them against Franco. Have I read his books? Have you?! He wrote a book about the entire experience. What interviews do you have in mind? Maybe you can link me to them because I would enjoy reading them if they are ones I haven’t previously encountered. Allow me Amazon to pose a counter question to you. Have you only read 1984 in high school many years ago or something? Orwell was not anti-communist. Orwell while never really defining himself was extremely left wing and completely pro communism/socialism/anarchism and a few times referred to himself as an anarchist. What Orwell also was, was anti-Stalinist, anti-fascist and anti-totalitarian; those being the subjects of 1984 and Animal Farm.