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not necessarily. In a newspaper (the Gulf News) last Thursday I was reading a story where a man (a GCC local) was sent to prison for "whipping" his wife with the cord he wears on his head (sorry, im not sure what the cords are called). I cant imagine a western man being sent to prison for the same, can you? EDIT: What is happening here is that Muslims are being shoved into a box of extremism. Yes, some Islamic countries are harsh, but to say all Muslims are like that is ignorant to an extreme degree. just as sayin all US teens shoot up schools or all white trash beat their wives. This thread was intended as a dig at Muslims when the OP clearly knows nothing about the Muslim culture, specifically that it is not all oprression. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

How do you know this? Were you sitting having a beer with the authors? how do you KNOW it wasnt intended literally? Im sure the early readers sure thought it was. Why has this view changed over time? I think its changed over time to plaster over the cracks that keep appearing in the bible.. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

I live and work in an islamic dominated country and I can promise you that the Muslim women LIKE how they are. I understand that Iran enforces the covering of women more than where I am (UAE) but the fact is the locals CHOOSE to wear what they wear and LIKE being what they are. Of course, sometimes men oppress the women, but name a country that this doesnt happen in. Just because the Muslim culture is not something you understand doesnt mean its wrong. In america or the UK, women are opressed daily and in extreme ways. Just because they dont cover themselves doesnt make it any different. The unfortunate fact is that many women around the world suffer to men, not just in Islamic countries. I havent been a member long but ive not yet seen a thread on this site about the white trash americans beating the living shit out of their wives when they are drunk. Or is that acceptable as US culture? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

What im getting at is that maybe 1000 years ago most of the bible was taken literally by all who read it. Why? Because science hadnt made it seem ridiculous. The notion that the earth was created in 7 days had no countering argument so therefore people took it as fact. Now, just over 1000 years on human knowledge has increased to the point we all know Genesis is a pretty ridiculous thing to beleive in. isnt it possible that in another 1000 years that the NT will become just as ridiculous as our knowledge increases? BTW I fifth it! To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Its good you dropped by this discussion thread not to discuss it To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Steve (and all other christians sharing his understanding of Genisus) can I just ask one question.. Why arent you a creationist? What was it about Genisus that says to you "wait there! This didnt happen it must be just a message"? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Dude this is pretty much the same as mine! To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

This question has been asked a few times in this thread but it keeps getting sidestepped... To the Christians: Why does god allow people to starve to death? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

God is a DJ To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

There are a couple of ongoing threads about religion at the moment. Kinda linked to them I was wondering, regardless of religious belief, do people think religion will last eternity or will it fizzle out with progress in science and why? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

No, your basing it on a story book instead To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

I hate it when people say "Seems though..." or "Seems" When they should say "Seeing as though" For example "Seems though im already there I may as well" Fucking illiterate fops. [/unnecessary anger] To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

It sounds like you know him pretty well. Cant you ask him for me over some pillow talk? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Why instead of landing you near people did god not land you on a softer piece of ground? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Of course religion isnt mentioned! The only time the media mention religion and terrorists in the same sentence is when they are muslims. BURN THE VATICAN! :P To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Al Jazeera is the only news channel worth watching. It gives both sides a fair chance to discuss things and is NEVER biased, no matter what the west's view of them is. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Ok, here is a QUESTION (take heed mnealtx :P ) Do you honestly and genuinely beleive that god (no capital G) orchestrated this guys whole entire life so that he would be at the DZ for you when you hurt yourself? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

The only post of yours that I didn't include was a flat statement about Muslims being persecuted. So, please - *DO* show where you're asking all these questions instead of ridiculing the OP and others that actually HAVE a belief system. But it IS ridiculous...oh look, I have an extra stick on my Kit Kat - THANK YOU GOD!! To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

Desperate? Not really, it's actually rather easy. BTW, there's a difference between having a belief system and being deluded to the point that it's incredible they can actually function in society. You're absolutely right - all those non-functionals like Pope John Paul, Mother Teresa, Jimmy Carter, etc etc etc.... He never said they PHYSICALLY CANT function, he said it was INCREDIBLE they could... To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

I think you;ll find most of my posts are asking questions to the post I replied to, however very few were answered. Really? Let's check the record: Not seeing any questions there... sarcasm and ridicule, yes... question, no. LOL! Thank you for taking time out of your busy day to search all my posts and condense them into one so that everyone can see my points without having to trawl through this thread. I didnt know you cared! And yeah the above arent questions, they are my opinions. Just because you didnt quote my questions doesnt mean they arent there. A bit like the bible really - taking what it says to suit your own personal needs. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

I think you;ll find most of my posts are asking questions to the post I replied to, however very few were answered. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

So now only PART of the bible should be listened to? To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

But I DO find this belief system ridiculous. Im an open person and willing to listen to everyones point of view, but to say that god provided her with a doctor is complete insanity. To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again

What kind of institutions... :P To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again