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I was unclear looking at that map exactly what is being said. The Amboy chute was South of Lake Merwin and the Floyd T. jump was North of Lake Merwin. I am lost this morning - bad day yesterday. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I didn't say the FBI was keeping a secret. I said Porteous and I have a theory about the chute, and that we think the FBI might be wrong. Did you read the post? It's explained in better detail on one of the 21 images on our website, the album on the Photo Albums page at: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com Look, I'll freely admit I'm not a parachute expert, but I have to ask something. Did the military use NB6 chutes in the color pink? That's not a smartass question, but a real question. The Amboy parachute was pink. Mr. Blevins, You need to go back into this thread and read it from the very beginning and you will find all the answers to your questions about pink parachutes!

What a tragedy! Wonder if it was anyone who reads or partipates in the DZ forums. It has probably been announced in some of the other threads and I feel badly for his family. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

And the very same could be said of you. Keep up! Smarm Obsession is not proof! Duane asked you to STOP! in 1 9 9 5 . What does Smarm mean? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

And the very same could be said of you. Duane asked you to STOP! in 1 9 9 5 . Georger chill: Watch your Blood Pressure - what side of the bed did you get up on today and what are you referring to? Duane was angry in 1995 because I didn't understand who Dan Cooper was and what he was talking about. If he had intended to take this to his death he would NOT have told me. If "others" had been forthcoming when I did learn who DAN COOPER was - perhaps I would have STOPPED, had they provided me with a valid reason to do so...but, I was lied to so I went public. Georger, what really bothers you about my claim and why do you not get our of sorts when it is other suspects being talked about? Duane Weber is the only suspect that upsets you! Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

On that date I received a birthday gift from an anonymous donor - named robbieclampett. Let your own imagination take it where you may. Today it is seven yrs later and I still hold onto the "gift" because someone thought it would help me find closure. At that time I had already bore 7 yrs of torture and now it is 7 yrs later... many lives have been forever altered by Cooper. Since the yr 2003 Christiansen, Gossett, Mayfield, Burnworth and others have been accused of being Cooper or having been accomplices. I think it is time for this to come to an end - and hopefully this yr. is the yr. that will close the Cooper files forever. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Keep up with the times and the news. It was on National TV news programs. Robbie Burroughs retired early in recent months and it was a big hush hush as to why she did NOT speak for herself regarding her early retirement. I have my suspicions about her early retirement, but will keep that to myself. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I will repeat it for you. "Iif the FBI has viable repeated DNA that they KNOW and can prove belonged to Cooper. Let's have at it."

List of DNA tested mummies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNA_tested_mummies Cretaceous dna and mtdna: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7973705 and you are informing ME dna from multiple sources 37 years extant is no good? I question your credentials! GET A LIFE! Bleach destroys DNA and so do other cleaning substances. But read the first paragraph you posted at the being of this. I will repeat it for you. "Therefore if the FBI has viable repeated DNA that they KNOW and can prove belonged to Cooper. Let's have at it."

Little was known about the genetic profiles for PDK in 1971. Little was known about the different stages the disease could follow and that they could go for yrs with no symptoms and then would re-appear.

Nov. 1977 - Clara sees Cooper for the last time and he tells her that he will expire in 5 yrs. Sept 1979 - Duane takes a Sentimental Journey. Feb 1980 - Money is found in the Columbia River at Tena's bar. April 1982 - Clara contacts Max. Max mentions Longview as the birthplace of Clara, but the truth is that Longview is an area that Cooper had a history with. Clara actually met Cooper in Denver, CO. To admit she had bore 5 children made it too easy for someone to figure out who she was - so she lied - saying she had NO children. Clara has to change the sequence of things such as when she first met Cooper - she is grieving because she thinks he is dead and really was in need of money...but her knowledge of the crime and the fact that he spent monies on her meant she could be prosecuted. Clara sought council thru a relative with experience in matters of law. She was aware the money was obtained illegally and he had spent a great deal of it on her. She did not tell this person the husband was Cooper. She was advised that she could be charge as an accessory after the fact and might face prison time. Clara was drinking when she contacted Max and later he would only hear from her when she was needing to talk. I don't know if Max was able to trace a call in 1982, but since the FBI didn't seem interested I doubt they would have gone to the effort of tapping Max's phone on the long shot she would actually call back. What I have told is a combination of 4 stories and how I intermingled them...to derive at what I think is the truth to this point. Stories Duane told me, Stories Max told me, Clara's own admissions (read only the quotes in Max's book) and what I was personally told by a specific party. Now it is up to you the reader - am I now writing fiction or are you reading some truths that have been hidden away for many yrs? I am sure Jerry has his opinion. Face it - it is a more logical story than any of the writers have reported to this point. By the way, this is NOT something new and you can ask anyone who has communicated with me for the past 14 yrs...including Mr. H. I was telling this yrs and yrs ago and I do believe Himmelsbach thought I had gone off the deep end...because he gave little credence to Max's story. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger said: I always saw Max as a consumate liar and opportunist, in search of a life - with a phony lifestyle to support. ################### Jo to Georger: Clara talked to Max several yrs before he did the book in 1985 - but his communications with Clara took place prior to that of course. As for a phoney lifestyle to support - I know nothing of that. In one of his letters and in many of the phone calls he talked about his wife. I got the impression they had some what of a kinky life style and lived life to the fullest. One of our last communications by phone Max was on his way to California - supposedly someone was doing a Movie of one of his books and paying him lots of money he claimed he did not need. Since I never read his other books (I did not even look them up) so I do not know which one it was. There would be one last communication by letter after that date. Since I refused to impose on him - I made no more communications. I learned only in the last few yrs Max was deceased...It was Grey who told me Max was deceased. After learning of my communications with Max - Grey tried to find what happened to Max's files. As far as I know he never found them. Max asked me how to find this ex before he went to CA - (after hearing her voice on a recorder over the phone)..I never knew if he found her and talked to her or not....nor his reason for wanting to know where she was. Remember his last letter was after that trip....and it was a farewell letter. I suppose I could read lots of things into that, but have tried not to do so. I do not even know what yr he died and our communications had ceased by the time I got a computer in 2000. I do know that at the time Clara was communicating with Max in 1982, the ex was under the assumption that Duane Weber was already deceased...the last time they laid eyes on each other was in 1977 when I personally put him on a plane to CA. I know that Duane called her in 1990 when he went on dialysis. This is when I believe she learned he was still alive. Then when I finally contacted her in 1997 - she was shocked he had lived until 1995....and was upset the FBI came to see her. The FBI gave me orders NOT to contact her - but, I did and her story was very different from what the FBI reported. Also her adult daughter who was living with her told a different story...she said that she knew Duane was Cooper (she OD'd about 3 yrs before her mother died). The ex told me that when she and Duane last saw each other in 1977 he had told her that he had only about 5 yrs to live. He told me this when he and I got married in 1978, but I changed the way he lived his life and the way he ate and taking his drugs - it would be 1990 before he actually reached that 5 yr expiration date...and only then did he need diaylsis. He expired in 1995 because he ceased diaylsis of his own accord, due to his over all health. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Someone did post the Picture before (I believe it was Bruce) before and I have spoke with Burnworth. He was questioned but the FBI knows exactly where he was that night. He claimed the ex-wife's family had something to do with the hijacking. That opens up this question. Was Burnworth connected to all of these people and stuff Blevins is writing about? My My what a tangled web we weave! Georger - go back and read what I finished putting to the post prior to this...you might find some more to jump on me about. All about Max, his book and our conversations and exchanges...regarding Cooper. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

This was the question asked by Jo Weber. 1. There is one question the FBI always asks and the only one they are ever going to respond to. Can you put your subject on the plane? Jo Weber replied: Someone explain to me the remark he made which I took the liberty of highlighting in red above. Name Withheld because the "WIFE" is still alive? Would it not be to their advantage to bring this OUT while the wife IS still ALIVE? You guys try to take my story apart - now do your thing on this one. Plus nothing he said actually answered the question the FBI wants answered. More than ONE FBI agent has told me that I have to "Physically" put the suspect on the plane by means of a "souvenier" because individuals who comment crimes of this nature "usually" keep souveniers. Below is the following post I made in reference to Blevins Mr. Dick B (the one whose name is being withheld because his wife is still living). Quoting prior post I made: It was immediately after this post that Blevins is excusing himself from the forum due to his work. I understand that, but it fell on the tail of my post above - did something make him nervous? Did I hit a nerve and something perhaps connected to their own story? Remember that over the yrs I have been contacted by a lot of people claiming to know who Cooper was. In my conversation (not debate) with Blevins I felt compelled to reveal somethings in this forum I have not done in the past,, but it was TIME to do so. Such as my relationship with Max Gunther and our letters and phone calls. I did not have a computer in those days - prior to 2000. Even Geoffry Grey looked for MAX's files on Cooper and as far as I know has not located them.

Either one look like one of these guys - NO neither one is Duane Weber. Two photos attached. First one is a photo Duane had me take in 1979 in Salt Lake City and didn't want the man to see him. He went to SLC just for this and no other reason than to see if this man was there. WHO IS HE? The second one is a man I knew as Ed Huran, but never Knew what the Ed stood for or how the last name was spelled - could be Huran, Horan, Horand or Hurand.[/blue ] The picture was made in 1982, but he knew Duane from WA and OR and something to do with planes or helicopters. This man had either a badly pocked marked face or scars from something. As you can see the eyes are an intense blue. When I first met him he was working in Denver, CO for a company called American Income out of Waco, Tx. He was still working for this company in 1982 when I took this picture. I never understood why my husband and I were at that meeting - my husband DID NOT work for that company at that time. This man did NOT want his picture taken and he only consented after my husband convinced him it was for our personal album only. This is the same man who in 1978 told me about my husband and OR and WA and realized I didn't know anything about his past and asked me not to tell Duane what he had said. I never did. Now I will never know, unless someone knows who this man really was...and what his past was - his past is the KEY to the Past of DUANE WEBER. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins Replies: No. I took the book quotes directly from the manuscript. I just mixed you and Gunther up when making that post originally, so I quoted the book to correct that mistake. Himmelsbach gives Gunther's book absolutely zero credibility. You give the name Dick B as one of the parties who was with your subject. You are not giving his name because his "wife" is still alive. I am afraid I do NOT understand this. Richard Ba--- is a name within my research. But also is a man by the last name Richards with the first name starting with a B. Does the initials BBR mean anything to you or Skipp in your research? Names that have been thrown at me - names I was unable to contact. Jack (Joseph) Richards and Bill Munson or Monson (this one is a name I heard Duane mention) and then it came up again this past yr. but it is so common I got NO where. The other name is Harry Richards/Richardson. I do not think this is the same Richards or Richardson Duane introduced me to as he had cancer and I do not believe he would still be alive...but, he was much younger than Duane and his cancer was in a remote limb that was removed. When Duane asked him what he had been doing - I will not forget his answer - regarding several yrs prior to this 1979 meeting. He had been a chauffeur for Howard Hughes. I do not know where Duane knew this man from nor do I know from what time period in his life. Obviously it was prior to this man's "supposed" employment and the death of Howard Hughes. What was unusual was that Duane seemed to owe this man a substancial debt (not in money) and had great admiration and respect for him. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Apologies accepted. You do know that I had many many communications with Max Gunther. It was before my computer days. He and I exchanged a lot of phone calls and several letters. He was a VERY interesting man. There is a lot I can tell you about his book, but would rather do that by phone as I feel that the communications between Max and myself where personal in nature in respect to the crime and his Clara. Yes, most of his book was fiction, but NOT all of it. I and I alone know what was actually told to him by Clara. He did make some mistakes regarding the actual details of the crime, but all in all he wrote the most interesting "fiction" that has been done besides HA HA HA by D.B. Cooper. Yet, it is NOT all fiction. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

My apologies. It wasn't Jo Weber that Himmelsbach was referring to, but Max Gunther. Here's the actual quote from Into The Blast: Sorry about that. I think it's better to just direct people to the photo displays if they want a fuller picture of the Christiansen case. The text included with them does a better job of explaining this than I can ever do on this forum. On a side note, here's what Himmelsbach said about Christiansen in the book:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Dear Sir: Himmelsbach retorically denied he said such a thing. I have remembered other things, but I have changed nothing. I had somethings out of sequence, but I have changed nothing. The only things that changed were names of places - I did NOT have a map of the area -until I went to WA in 2001 - only then did I know the names of the places. I had depended on someone else to provide the names of places and I would many yrs later have to argue with him publically on this matter. I also produced proof of what I had told Himmelsbach in 1996 and the FBI and the producers of the documentary. How many conversation have you had with Himmelsbach? I suggest you speak with him personally before publishing unproven statements. I just got off the phone with Mr. H. and he claimed that was NOT what he said. Obviously his statement was taken OUT of context. I knew little about Duane's history, but that did change over the yrs as I learned more about him. I have a copy of a letter I sent to Mr. H. with a very rustic map drawn on the back of one of the pages of a many page letter I sent him in 1996. This drawing matches what I have maintained for yrs (and it was done only thru my mind and remembering where he took me and what he said). Since I had only a map of 1/2 of the U.S. and then acquired a state of WA map - it gave NO details of the area. It would be 2001 before I got to go to WA. and was able to find the places Duane took me. I had no choice prior to that (except to accept names a third party provided). I found the areas and it was in 2001 that I was able to provide the route with names that Duane took me on. After the trip in 2001 - a very generous person provided me with the map I still use to this day...and I was able to properly address the areas. I knew little of Duane's background other than what the FBI had told me (very little) and the family also filled me in on some empty areas. As far as my research - little has changed other than new discoveries.

spoken, not spoke. Spokes are things in wheels. You won't get far in this world on bad English.

Skyjack 71 asks these questions: 1. There is one question the FBI always asks and the only one they are ever going to respond to. Can you put your subject on the plane? ANSWER: Not for certain. We know Christiansen, a man named 'Dick B' (last name withheld for now because his wife is still alive) and 'Mike Watson' (alleged man on the ground) took Mike's Airstream trailer and station wagon from Oakville, WA two days before the crime. They completely skipped Thanksgiving dinner and were gone for more than a week. Mike returned to Oakville alone and refused to tell his ex where he had gone. Five months later, his sister got a $5,000 cash loan from Kenny, who was making less than $600 a month and had no savings. Three months later, Kenny bought his house in Bonney Lake for cash. We have hard evidence on both these items. Oakville is located about halfway between Kenny's old apartment in Sumner and Portland, Oregon. Our theory is that Dick B and Mike Watson drove Kenny to the Portland Airport, dropped him off, and then parked off the river at Paradise Point State Park near Battleground, WA. The money found in 1980 was only three or four miles from the park. Mr. Blevins - NONE of that puts your subject on the plane. The FBI has heard all of that before regarding other suspects. I have been given the impression they WANT physical evidence. 2. What was you subject's relationship to WA prior to 1971? Cooper had detailed knowledge of the area - WA was not chosen on a whim. ANSWER: Christiansen moved to the Seattle area about 1958. He settled down in Bonney Lake and lived there for the rest of his life. Mike Watson was VERY familiar with the area where Cooper supposedly jumped. His ex testified he went hunting and fishing in that area for many years.

I asked Blevins this question: Suddenly Georger pops up: Dearest Georger - you must have been bored or does the Science Forum not provide you with the rhetortic you require. As for my grammar and spelling, I will leave that be. I merely asked Blevins a question and did not in anyway state I had spoken with the FBI...I don't have to. There is something going on - and it was not caused by my NON-existent communications with the FBI. It was my understanding that the family of Christiansen had submitted DNA sometime ago. First I heard the FBI was NOT going to test the DNA and the family was advised to obtain DNA results from a private lab. I don't know who did what - but, I have heard a rumor the DNA was NOT a match. Of course, the FBI only has particial multiple DNA's and they don't know if any of them actually belonged to Cooper due to the contamination of the item (it was not handle according to DNA specification since none existed in 1971). I do NOT communicate with the FBI nor have I spoke with the new agent of record - I don't have to. When the results are known about what I HAVE been doing you will not be part of it nor will the FBI. I have been sitting on this for several wks now... As you know - I pulled away from trying to prove Duane was Cooper and just trying to learn more about the man I spent 17 yrs of my life with. Some amazing things have happened and none of it proves Duane was Cooper - but it sure did UP the Odds. Enough that Weber has gotten the attention of "others" now...perhaps even the FBI. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

One more question - have you ever spoke with the FBI agent in charge of the Cooper File at this current time? (I don't mean Agent Carr). Did anyone submit DNA on Christiansen and if so what was the results? I was under the impression that the DNA on Christiansen was submitted. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Uh http://blog.flightstory.net/wp-content/uploads/skybus-big-pig-resized.jpg Absolutely love it! Pigs can Fly! Blevins should be put to the same scrutiny as anyone else who presents a "Cooper" Subject. If he will send me a FREE copy of his book I might read it.