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Skyjack 71 says in part: First, the government would likely disallow any earnings under a false name and possibly a false SSN. JO RESPONDS VERY ANGERLY! You are NOT a SS attorney and yes I turned this over to an SS attorney - because Duane himself could NOT collect on those 8 yrs. Nor could I as his widow when I became eligble of benefits. I had the SS number and the drivers license - but that was insufficient since he was deceased. I have proof of income as John Collins and this was substanciated by the wife of the times. Blevins enquired of Jo by quoting her below: Blevins then asked this question: Where are these items now? JO REPLIES SOME WHAT PERPLEXED - Duhh! Where were you when brains where passed out? What where you doing when the Weber story was front page and has been ongoing for 16 yrs now? March 1990 - Duane Weber was still alive. March 1995 - Duane Weber dies It has been repeated many time that I saw the stub and the bag in 1990 and have not seen them since. The Stub was like theater ticket but it said SEA-TAC on it and I asked him what it was for - he inturn said "It used to mean something, but it doesn't mean anything now - just throw it away" and I put it in the trash at the store.. Because many curious things where going on - I went back to the shop AFTER he left to go to Diaylsis to retrieve it from the trash - it was GONE. He had retrieved it. This was AFTER Duane had made his mysterious trip to a MID WEST state without my knowledge...and an unexplainable profit started to show for the shop but I seldom saw enough change in the merchandise inventory to support the rent and utilities and the profit he was claiming. The bank Bag I saw in the center console of the van (actually a large cooler that acted as a console). The ticket - everyone knows I saw that the yr before Duane died and let someone else tell you that story or look it up yourself. His leg badly fractured and he was laided up in bed. It is all right here in this thread and /or the other one and probably both. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

HOW CAN you or you company own the COPYRIGHT to a photo I have in my possession of Kenny? DID you NOT inform Lyle that he could retain ownership and that you would be able to publish them with his permission. If NOT you SCREWED him? The pictures I have provided regarding Duane Weber CANNOT be copywritten by the companies, but published with MY permission and I own the copyright strickly because the original is held by me. Otherwise anyone could publish anyones photo regardless of the source and say copyright....I have signed documents. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Tease alarm. Condition red. Jo, you just can't help yourself. You imply that you have compelling evidence, but can't reveal it. All your probative evidence is lost (ticket, parking stub, parachute hardware, prison smoke jumper article etc) or cannot be revealed. 377: How old are you 377 - in your 60's? If you had a wife who died many yrs ago and then you found out something about her - HOW much of her things would you still have around if you had remarried. Also note the marriage produced no children - so there was NO reason to keep things. If I had understood in 1995 when he told me - this would be over. The FBI would have checked the VAN before it was sold and I would have known what I was looking for. I cannot release tapes I made of conversations with other individuals and what was said by the ex - well, if I went there I could have ended up 6 ft under before the Creator decided it was my time. If you guys don't believe the things I have told then if you had heard the tape - you would have said - OH MY! Way out....then nothing I have ever said would ever have been heard. If I told you what was on that tape - it would be NO WAY! Can you put Duane in a chute? We can put him in associations with jumper and connections to jumper (private and military and operatives). Can you put him on the plane? We think so - but it will take a face to face with 3 of the witnesses - all 3 stewardesses. As for RECORDS - everytime I have tried to acquire certain records - I am stopped or delayed until they are unaccessible....I believe this is by design....NOTE that even CARR would NOT produce the detailed Jefferson file - the GOVERNMENT - the file are destroyed after 35 yrs and this is what CARR's job was to do - delay me until the actual file was destroyed and then tell me I can get it on line. I wasn't the ONLY one trying to get this file to prove I was the widow of John C. Collins. NOT one person involved with doing this in 16 yrs was able to get DIDDLE SQUAT on it...NOT one. WHEN the FBI found I was trying to get the actual files - it was SHUT DOWN. Such as - My first contact with Jefferson - I was told they had the files not only on John Collins, but 2 other individuals I enquired about...I was told I would need to present a marriage certificate - to John Collins. NO ONE got it - I was trying to get the pictures so I could prove John Collins and Duane Weber were one and the same....as far as I am concerned the Government OWES me as Duane's surving spouse the SS he never was able to collect under that name and number... Carr knew why I needed the file, The prior agent knew why I needed the file....it was the only thing out there that could prove Duane was John Collins, but since Duane was in "solitary confinement most of the time" when the wife went to visit him, how and why would they give this man a commutation for under the name John Collins. Weber still had a record and John Collins just disappeared. Why did the FBI come looking for Duane Weber after John Collins was released. They knew who and where he was - even though he ran off to N.Orleans with his wife and her kids. Surely they didn't JUST stop chasing him - they found him and conducted their business with him - What was that Business? The FBI just DOES NOT stop searching for a man if they know where he is - and even though Duane ran - he was NOT HIDING. IF he was it was in PLANE SITE! Working under his real name in N.Orleans and then Alabama and GA and SC (he bounce back and forth from GA to SC several time in a 2 yr span) and then CO/WYM and then AL and S.C. and then GA again and back then VA and then AL again. Seems like after Duane left N.Orleans and AL around 1968 and 1969 - Weber did NOT have to hide from the FBI??? In 1982 - the next wife had a warrant for Weber in GA and why we went to VA....I did NOT know this at the time....but, after we got to VA she had found out who he was working for and took actions to get everything he and I owned - fortunately this could only be what was in his name alone and not in my name or what we had acquired together. The home at that time was in both our names and had no equity. She got ALL of his renewals (several thousands of dollars) and we had to start over. I had a small saving, but she couldn't touch that. We started over and made a bundle on the house when we sold it and accumulated a sizable renewal account. Outside of the modest equity in the house and what was in the safe deposit box and his insurance money there was NOTHING left when he died. The cars were paid for and I was in a decent financial position for a widow during that time...plus I was still young enough and capable of pulling my own weight as I had done for the lat 7 yrs of our marriage. The shop did NOT seem to move much merchandise during the 5 yrs he had it - but he always had money - we never ever did without. Why I will always believe that in 1990 - he went to the Safe Deposit box in XXX and removed what was left (this included some coins and cash and momentos). IT was only after Mar or April or May of 1990 that I saw the ticket, the stub, the parts for the chute and the bag and this little square of cloth I thought was a prayer cloth or blessed cloth of some kind...he kept it in his wallet. Oh, well this is a useless waste of time because NO one is listening anyway. I am but a small tree falling in the midst of the forest. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

B;evins Stated" Jo States: AGAIN - it is ALL about MONEY! You just keep putting your foot in it - you just keep right on stepping in the shit. Sorry you are going to loose money on the book, but you were warned before it all started.

*** Anyway, down to the bare bones here. Skipp Porteous and I were not the first people to investigate Kenny Christiansen, right? That was done by Geoff Gray. We only took it further. Does it mean he falls under some suspicion? Of course. In many ways, there is more circumstantial evidence and witness testimony (from actually ALIVE people) than for any other suspect. I mean verifiable stuff, not conjecture, not 'because I say so,' or 'secret witnesses'.Quote JO TELL her STORY: Well, if I had not been so timid about media exposure - I should have gone directly to the Newpapers or Writers ASAP when I learned who Dan Cooper was. I should have BY-PASSED the FBI just the way Lyle, KC's brother did). In 1996 Duane's ex-wife was still alive and the step-daughter was still alive. Also a writer or PI would have found the other individuals - one of which was living on the streets in CA, another with emotional problems and another in WA. He would have found a nephew and possible an ex-brother-in-law who may have still been alive at the time. I had NO money for a PI. A writer or a PI would have recorded and documented all interviews. He would have gone to see the "sister" who had her first heart attack after I asked her about Duane and 1971. Instead she has a heart attack almost immediately after the conversation - I always and still do feel responsible. There were several following heart attacks with a major one when I went to visit John (Duane's brother) in 2004. Before John and I could have our "private" conversation while his wife entertained my current husband at that time - we get a call at the dinner table that she was in the hospital with a heart attack. I did go to the hospital with her brother and sister-in-law. The first words out of her mouth were "You aren't JO" - you see Duane's lady companion from 1962 until 1972 was the woman I refer to as MJ. Duane's sister had been insistent until that moment that I was the woman with Duane on 2 different ocassions. I simply told her "I told you I had never been in CA and I never met you, but I am sorry I had to meet you under these cirmcumstances". She smiled and reached out for my hand seemingly relieved and said "I'm Sorry." I couldn't stay long - I just wanted her to meet the woman she had been talking to on the phone and sending cards to..who had told her repeatedly "We have never met and I have never been to CA." John and his sister had a talk before I got to CA. John had somethings to tell me in private away from my husband in a room he had a voice amplifier. He was almost stone deaf and why he and I could not communicate on the phone. Since the phone call came during dinner - John and I never got to have that conversation. The sister knew John was going to have this conversation - I will never know what it was. It was during that dinner that John did ask me if I knew Richard Tosaw. Then he and his wife re-interated their intimate and personal relationship to Tosaw. Again we got the call almost as soon as those words where out of his mouth. He had told me that Gwinn had given him something she wanted me to have and had shared some information with him he had no knowledge of....Both John and his wife died within weeks of each other. Duane's sister had repeately told me on the phone and by card - to PLEASE LEAVE THE PAST IN THE PAST. She was afraid of what her friends and neighbors would think about her. Everyword of that is true and NOT one world is made up or fiction. All of those detail are what I remember of that visit to CA. Also note that in 1971 when the crime occurred that the sister lived only 11 to 13 miles from where one of the letters was postmark - supposedly from Cooper. I compared the letter we used to compare Duane's handwriting with - to the wife of the day...but, everything she sent me was script and no printing available to compare with. Note I have never claimed this wife was involved - but, she may have had knowledge of the crime AFTER the fact.....and I believe why she had a conversation with a family members or friend of the family who was involved in some way with law enforcement. The ex told me herself she sought advice from this person and was told that if stolen money was spent on her and she was aware of this - she might stand to be prosecuted as an accessory after the fact...and loose custody of her children. Note: she did NOT say this was Cooper Money - she only referred to stolen money. Since both she and 2 of her children were aware of stolen goods on many occasions...and aware that Duane had been in prison - this could have been from "any" crime in which a large sum of money was taken. I have always wondered WHY she told me this if it was not Cooper money or some other robbery that made head lines and gave her cause to make the contact and ask the question. She has claimed being separated from him from Nov of 1971 to Feb of 1972 - but divorced him in May of 1972. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Since you and maybe others are unaware of my struggle with going public - perhaps now they might understand where I am coming from and understand why I get so emotional. I won't be around much longer - and I don't want to give up, but I am having a problem somedays just struggling thru the day. A lot of it is depression - but who wouldn't be depressed when they have been called a liar for 15 yrs and everything they have tried to tell has been distorted and ignored. Then along comes all of the Wanna Be's riding on the coat tail of what I honestly divulged with no Fiction or lies involved. You see I KNOW Duane Weber was Cooper. Today I told stories about my life with Duane and this individual didn't remember my having told the stories, but I have documentation where I told these things - long long before I had a computer or even knew who Dan Cooper was. I didn't understand what Duane was telling me - and I am so stupid it just did NOT sink in. He was telling me his story and I didn't understand. Sorry I got to go - very very tired and I am crying. Sorry I ever told anyone what he said - it has destroyed what I could have done with my lilfe...now all I can do is wait to die and hope I will know the truth before I leave this world as I know it. I hate the FBI for what they have done to me or whoever was responsible for NOT investigating Duane L. Weber. It is ALL there - they don't want to acknowledge they made mistakes. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

The Article was done in 2000 - and was the 1st time I went public. He then did another article after that one. Most of his research was completed prior to 1999 and a little more after I got mad at the FBI. We had been talking for a couple of yrs and he wanted me to go public - I refused to go public, until the FBI lied to me...he already had most of the research and the only reason why I was able to prove Duane was in the Army and at McNeil. The FBI didn't know I ALREADY had the legal documentations. I would have thought you would have read the article in your 'research' about Cooper and Cooper suspects. The first story was done July 24 2000 and the second story was done May 12 2003. Jeffrey had never heard of Kenny Christiansen at that time - WHY DO YOU ASK THAT? IKeney was the next suspect to go public \...but I forget what yr that was. I do not understand Copyright laws and I was the subject of his interviews - I did not show the pictures with the article. For some reason my copies of these magazine - disappeared. I did credit U.S. News and World Reports with the article and the writer. This is just a forum where people talk to each other and I do NOT know how to make the links. No one would bother to open it anyway. Obviously you were unaware of this and unaware of the subsequent article a few months later. If I have violated their laws then they will just have to contact me. I cannot erase it and I asked for and received no compenstation for the article. Doug was the one who in my dining room listened to a tape and the HAIR on his arms and neck stood straight up. He looked at me and said "I didn't hear that right, did I" I played it again and his response was "We can't go there". You can only imagine what is on that tape - and the FBI would love to get their hands on it...but, over my dead body. NO one knows what is in that tape besides Doug and myself. The woman on the tape is deceased now, but she was the wife of Weber at the time of the crime. P.S. If I have done something that endangers the thread or the DZ - then Quade is the only one who can go back and substitue a link for the article and leave the rest as I posted it. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

U.S. News and World Reports Article BY DOUGLAS PASTERNAK It was the day before Thanksgiving, Nov. 24, 1971. As Northwest Airlines Flight 305, from Portland, Ore., to Seattle, sped along the runway preparing for takeoff, the man in Seat 18C, wearing sunglasses and a dark suit, handed a flight attendant a note. It said he had a bomb and threatened to blow up the Boeing 727 unless he received $200,000 cash and four parachutes when the plane landed. The man in Seat 18C purchased his ticket under the name "Dan Cooper." After receiving his booty at the Seattle-Tacoma Airport, the man released the 36 passengers and two members of the flight crew. He ordered the pilot and remaining crew to fly to Mexico. At 10,000 feet, with winds gusting at 80 knots and a freezing rain pounding the airplane, Dan Cooper–mistakenly identified as D.B. Cooper by a reporter–walked down the rear stairs and parachuted into history. What followed was one of the most extensive and expensive manhunts in the annals of American crime. For five months, federal, state, and local police combed dense hemlock forests north of Portland. D.B. Cooper became an American folk icon–the inspiration for books, rock songs, and even a 1981 movie. Over the past three decades, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has investigated more than 1,000 "serious suspects" along with assorted crackpots and deathbed confessors. Most–but not all–have been ruled out. The case was back in the news just last month when FBI agents investigated a skull discovered nearly 20 years ago along the Columbia River. It turned out to belong to a woman, possibly an American Indian. Today, the D.B. Cooper case remains the world's only unsolved skyjacking. In March 1995, a Florida antique dealer named Duane Weber lay dying of polycystic kidney disease in a Pensacola hospital. He called his wife, Jo, to his bed and whispered: "I'm Dan Cooper." Jo, who had learned in 17 years of marriage not to pry too deeply into Duane's past, had no idea what her secretive husband meant. Frustrated, he blurted out: "Oh, let it die with me!" Duane died 11 days later. Jo sold his van two months after his death. The new owner discovered a wallet hidden in the overhead console. It contained a U.S. Navy "bad conduct discharge" in Duane's name and a Social Security card and prison-release form from the Missouri State Penitentiary, in the name of "John C. Collins." Duane had told Jo that he had served time for burglary under the name John Collins. Still, says Jo, a real-estate agent in Pace, Fla., Duane rarely spoke of his past. "His life started with me, and that was it," she says. The FBI sketch strongly resembles a photo of Duane Weber. In April 1996, Jo discussed Duane's criminal and military past with a friend. She also mentioned that just before he died, Duane had revealed the cause of an old knee injury. "I got it jumping out of a plane," Jo recalls him saying. "Did you ever think he might be D.B. Cooper?" the friend asked. Handwriting match. In May 1996, Jo checked out a library book on D.B. Cooper. "I did not realize D.B. Cooper was known as Dan Cooper," Jo says. The book listed the FBI's description: mid-40s, 6 feet tall, 170 pounds, black hair, a bourbon drinker, a chain smoker. At the time of the hijacking, Duane Weber was 47, 6 feet, 1 inch tall, and weighed around 185 pounds. He had black hair, drank bourbon, and chain-smoked. The similarities between a younger Duane and the FBI's composite drawings struck Jo. "It's about as close a match as you can get," agrees Frank Bender, a criminal forensic reconstructionist who has worked with the FBI for 20 years. Jo never knew Duane to go to the library. Yet in pencil in the book's margins was what looked to her like Duane's handwriting. On one page he had written the name of a town in Washington where a placard from the rear stairs of Flight 305 had landed. "I knew right off the bat that handwriting was his," says Anne Faass, who worked with Duane for five years. Jo called the FBI the night she read the D.B. Cooper book. "They just blew me off," she says. Eventually she began a dialogue with Ralph Himmelsbach, the FBI agent in charge of the case from 1971 until his retirement in 1980. At his urging, the FBI opened a file on Duane Weber in March 1997. They interviewed Jo, as well as one of Duane's former wives and his brother. They compared his fingerprints with the 66 unaccounted-for prints on Flight 305. None matched, although the FBI has no way to know if any of the prints were Cooper's. Himmelsbach finds Jo Weber, who has agreed to take a polygraph test, to be credible. There is no reward money to motivate her. He thinks she simply wants to learn the truth about her spouse. "The facts she has really seem to fit," he says. But the FBI dropped its investigation of Weber in July 1998. More "conclusive evidence" would be needed to continue, they say. Though the facts are few, the circumstantial evidence is compelling. Retired FBI agent Himmelsbach believes the skyjacker must certainly have had a criminal record, military training, and familiarity with the Northwest. U.S. News has confirmed that Duane Weber served in the Army in the early 1940s. He also did time in at least six prisons from 1945 to 1968 for burglary and forgery. One prison was McNeil Island in Steilacoom, Wash.–20 miles from the Seattle-Tacoma airport. The skyjacking was a desperate act by a desperate man. In 1971, Duane Weber's emotional and physical health were failing. He was on the verge of separating from his fifth wife and had been diagnosed with kidney disease; he was not expected to live past 50. Himmelsbach believes the skyjacking may have been a criminal's last hurrah and says Weber is one of the best suspects he has come across. A skeptic at first, Jo Weber now believes her husband of 17 years was D.B. Cooper. "If he is not," she says, "he sure did send me on the wildest ride any widow has ever been on."

Wow! I was zoned out when I wrote the following post, but hope most of you understood what I was trying to say. I am reposting it and making the corrections so all of you won't think I am a complete idiot. Since the post had so many errors - I made the corrections in blue and also made a couple of clarifications so you guys would know - I do have the articles. They are too large to even scan. When-ever there have been suspects that got attention from the FBI or the media - certain parties suddenly support an unlikely suspect or presents one. One who cast stones at those of us who have presented our suspect and done our research needs to look at his own motives and actions before throwing his stones - engraved with Liar and Fiction Writer...he might get one thrown back or two or three or four. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I believe it is in the best interest of this thread to petition Quade to stop usage of certain words and words of slander. The word liar is very much over used. I do NOT agree with Blevins, but I do NOT call him a liar or a writer of fiction regarding this story. I do NOT have to agree with him to be civil with him. My personal thinking he needs to stay with his fiction and not try to write a book about a real life crime. Should the REAL Cooper be exposed he has built into his story a fail safe clause we all know by heart. I very much resent a certain person comparing me to Casey Anthony and talking about 15 minutes of fame - if that was what I was looking for - I would have let certain individuals have written their book and did their movie....but I chose to tough it out in search of the proof. I am talking about 15 yrs plus of my life I have given up seeking the truths - yet, for that I am called a liar and writer of fiction. I am quilty of having reduced myself to the name calling...after his inflammatory posts. As of recent I have tried to be polite about publically stating what I think about the person doing this who has himself created more speculation than most regarding more than one sujbect.. If I manage to get through the next few months - I have a team in the NW who will stand by me publically - We iss prover there was NO way when I described certain things as they appeared to me in 1979 - that someone who had work and lived long term in WA would not have known. The very individuals who made a post claiming some very specific details - such as planning the Ariel shindig - is NOT even allowed to go there....I believe the word used was Banned. He seems to forget how many news articles were done when he was standing there supporting a supect or suspects and re-interating his story to the media about the suspect. I guess he thinks we have all forgot about his suspect proposed by the cab driver? That is one I specifically remember. The name caller needs to keep his name calling in check lest he be exposed for his stories when he was looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I did collect a few new articles - I could have scanned and put in the thread...but chose to leave it be like leaves of three. Name calling will NOT solve this case - and it only causes individuals like myself to spend their time defending them selfs. I am sure he has Something Valuable he can add to the conversation with out smearing Weber, Nuttall or Grey or Cook or Blevins. Yet he comes here with words of despair that only are meant to encite....and his accusations have the mentality of an angry 8 yr old who has been sent to closet. I was supposed to be in bed an hour ago. Good night. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robert Stated: It is a direct violation of the Federal Air Regulations for pilots to use maps that are out of date. The maps that pilots use must be valid for the day they are flying. This means that the maps the airliner's flight crew was using had to be valid on November 24, 1971. This is a simple fact known to all pilots. And these maps are changed on a regular basis which varies from 60 days to once a year. Jo Replies: I AM very AWARE of the new maps. I dated a Delta Airline pilot from 1973 until 1976. He was based at that time out of Dalles. He had to be sure his maps were updated, but they were NOT always available for "the day" he might fly that route. Bear this in mind. On certain routes he might have a map that was considerably out dated...to the point of frustration and I heard him mention this more than once. How far out dated I don't know. Talk to the co-pilot! WHY don't you ASK him how many times he had FLOWN that route? You should know the answer to this one - it is in one of the books you read. I know the answer, but this is one you need to learn on your own if you don't already know. Maybe he was not using an updated map? This is a question you and others including the FBI need to get answered before determining the "supposed" route taken. Have you ever wondered WHY after all of these yrs the exact minutes of the questions and answers of the crew have NEVER been made public? Does NOT anyone find that ODD after almost 40 yrs, unless the authorities are HIDING something? After 40 yrs they could hardly worry about exposing Cooper. If you have all of this knowledge then use it - talk to the co-pilot and I do not know if the engineer is still alive. WHO did or said WHAT - surely there are written records on this. Does anyone have any idea WHY at this time those records are still sealed? Robert Said: If you have been paying attention to this thread over the past couple of years, then you know the problems with one specific set of the air traffic control transcripts. In fact, I think you and I have exchanged posts on this very subject. Jo States: Since you guys go back and forth with all of this - I could never follow the conversation - because I could NOT READ the maps you guys worked from nor did I understand the changes from one map to another. All I know is it had to do with the name of a specific place and designation. And no one knew which map was being referenced and there was some conversation about when the change was made in the map. But no one questioned this until this thread - but also NO one had tried to verifiy what map the ground man was using and the dates on the map the navigator was using. Please do NOT twist my simple words as I do NOT understand the flight lingo. What I do KNOW is what I was told by someone who should have known. I also know what I was told coincided with all of the other "stuff" I found and that Duane showed me. I didn't know HOW much until I was out there in Oct of 2010. Of course I have those lost 14 yrs plus that can be attributed to someone who purposely misdirected me. All incoming flights to Portland were delayed until Cooper's plane would have been out of the PDX airspace. The other planes headed to PDX were several minutes behind Cooper's Plane. My brain will not let me remember the flight number tonight so I am replacing it with "Coopers Plane". My mind has started to shut down and this has happened more so since the surgery. Stress - maybe. Old Timers - probably. Just tired - probably. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

At least you are nice than he is - I know how to take you when you bounce off the wall at me - but his attitude toward even the possiblility that Duane was Cooper - Stinks. I don't know all of the facts about the crime and NO one does I do know what Duane told me and showed me and what I held in my hands. I know he didn't lie about these things - he only lied to me by omission. If anyone thinks he was trying to impress me with this confess- forget it. It did NOT impress me and he knew it would NOT. He was telling me the truth - strange as it sounds the man ONLY lied to me by omission...yet told me about his life in the 3rd person. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Note all Robert Nicholson ever says is: a. The quote in Nuttall's book only addresses the fact b. As Georger also states, there is apparently no information in circulation at this point that discusses the cloud information between 5000 and 10,000 feet. c. the book by Tosaw discusses the interaction between Cooper and Tina in the most detail. e. Cooper agreed to have the stairs locked up before take off. But he immediately told Tina that he knew the airliner could take off with the stairs down. f. When Cooper had trouble getting the stairs down, either he or the flight crew suggested leveling off at 7000 feet and slowing the airplane down. If I remember correctly, Rataczak slowed the aircraft to about 140 knots indicated airspeed. Robert Nicholson never thinks for himself - he is a parrot. Repeat repeat and repeat. Then he starts to think or perhaps just make fun of Me (Jo). Robert States: In my humble opinion (forgive me Jo), Cooper appeared to have some specific KNOWLEDGE of the 727 systems but didn't seem to have any appreciable EXPERIENCE with those systems. At least in part, this could have been determined from the aircraft manuals as you say. Jo States: I have told you guys over and over and over the 727 was all over the place - at his brothers house yet, NO one - NOT even the FBI ever enquired into the past of John Weber....John was 12 yrs older than Duane and he was an ENGINEER and he had a degree in engineering. John was a consultant for Boeing with the Army. No the 727 wasn't developed then, but when Duane got of of San Quentin he went to live with his mother for awhile in Arcadia, CA. John was said to have chased Duane away with a baseball bat. He had been taking "Floozies" to Mother Weber's home and some coins where missing. I don't know if this was before or after - the St. Pete incident. John and a friend owned a lot of property in Tacoma and it went bust - but, I did NOT know the time span of this venture. Obviously John lived in WA at one time. Prior to that - the development of the 727's was dining room conversation and the schematic where all over John's house. The FBI has ignored this. The FBI has also ignored the fact that Duane lived as John Collins for many yrs - 1962 - 1968....yet they have NEVER filled in the blanks. The ex-wife told me about some of what he did - and he would be gone for wks at a time. She hated their time in Marana - while he was working "In Plane Site" while her children were in the custody of their father...she didn't even have her children with her until 1967 while Duane was "in" Jefferson. The 727 had predecessors used in the Army for dropping jumpers - the DZ has discussed this. When the 727 made its first appearance - find the list of guests? Find the names of all of the developers and suppliers of the materials used in the 727...including the paint used for the plane. You will find the name - of Weber (not Duane, but a relative). Maybe it was Lyman Van Buren and maybe he dropped the Weber name? Now you know why Cooper asked the agent if the plane was a 727. Landing gear down - flaps down. You know the plane was used for Special Opps - we have already proved one of the planes was tested and probably used for such operations. Snow is the one who proved this and there is even a film clip - perhaps you should go find it. Excuse me for having to bring up this old STUFF the thread is already aware of, but maybe you never read it or have any knowledge of it. Did you even bother to read back and view some of the research done by REAL researchers. Yea. Snow liked to play games, but he got the job done - with lots of run-a-rounds, but he got where other did NOT dare go. Right now I miss Snowmman - he would put you and your stuff in the right place real quick. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Tell me about anemoneters and why is that terminology familiar to me? When you just posted this - something went click - but maybe it is just a rusty connection in my head that broke. Who installed anemoneters and why? Are there or where there any in WA in 1971. Tell me exactly what they do and why anyone would install these things and how early in history where they installed. Would the Forestry have a reason to use Anemoneters? I know this sound stupid to you but it also sounds stupid to me. Like I said - rusty old springs in this old mind of mine...maybe I just completely snapped and collapsed. Would there NOT be towers with warning lights where these instruments where installed? Seems such a thing would have been very important in helping to determine the course of forest fires...and the reason for Blow-Out like they had in MT. Something that would help them to keep another such incident from occurring or let them know it could happen. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger I love it when you are Walking Tall - that has to get someone's attention. I do NOT know who Robert 99 is - but he is a obstinate know it all who quotes what others have said in books and articles. He never admits that he could be wrong when he is only using what others have written - note I did not say researched. I had a long talk tonight with a friend in WA. and this whole group of individuals know the Plane WAS NOT West of the PDX and that the plane was EAST of I-5 and East of Vancouver. There are individuals in the Battleground, Heisson and Orchards (all over 70) who still remember the night the plane came over. The FBI tried to bury Cooper in 1980 after the money find - with the speculation the plane was on a more Westwardly route. Bury Cooper in Myths - so we can bury him forever - seemed to be the mentality of the FBI in 1980. The map this thread is using that shows the curve of the planes' route turning East just above Vancouver is wrong. That curve happened AFTER the plane crossed the Columbia. Take a piece of clear plastic and draw the marks as the come down and all of those dots. 2005, 2010 etc. Now slide that piece of plastic down on the map and you have a more accurate route. There is still something wrong with those markings after the plane crossed the Columbia because this is when the plane set course along I-5 South. I don't care who made or marked that map or what technolgy they were using - it was ONE person and that person made a mistake in some co-ordinates. One of the DZ's individuals was kind enough to send me the map use in the thread. The pilot I spoke to said there is NOT enough information in the transcripts I found and this particular map is NOT the proper map to use. Seems he has been unable to locate a 1970 navigational map used by Delta during that time period....the Navigational maps of 1968 - 1970 are the maps that need to be used. The transcipts should be used on those MAPS only. You can NOT apply information or knowledge or name changes that were transitional to the transcripts. If there are any commercial pilots out there who kept their old navigations maps of the area - we need them....these maps need to be PRE - 1970. We only need to borrow them and they will be returned un-harmed or they can be reproduced for us and shipped at my at my expense. We also need the exact trascripts between plane and communications - it is my understand that some of these communications are MISSING. Did anyone ever suspect for one moment this was deliberate? HOW many minutes are missing in the communications and what was the given location when that happened? I know Robt99 has ALL the answers. He actually has NONE...other than repeating like a parrot - what was in this book or that book. FACTS - and MAPS. This is what we need - the dead-line is just ahead of us. This will NOT continue after Nov.24 2011, so it is now or Never. Who really really wants to solve this case and/or put some of they myths in the graveyard where they belong? Pehaps the biggest clue of all is already in a graveyard in WA. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

That is NOT what I said and nor does anything Sluggo say impede me in anyway. I don't have time for the likes of you. I have MORE important things to do rather than answer you stupid retoric...which by the way GOES no where and for which YOU have NO proof. It is all just YOUR opinion and how is one to know what COLORS your opinion? Maybe money - a pay-off to distract the thread and the public. End of Conversation. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Robt you seemingly have a answer for everything, but you have never talked to the major players who were on that plane. 1 minute or 2 minutes differance in time does change where the plane is at a given time - it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. What is points are used to map the route also make a difference. I was told by a major player that the plane crossed the Columbia between Vancouver and Cames. There was more conversation about Troutdale airport and the altitude from plane to ground was low. I do not "get" all the technical terms. Without telling you where this came from consider: 1. Search and rescue capabilities. 2. Do no harm (this means going around the heavily populated areas because there is a BOMB on board. 3. Has Cooper left the plane? The route proposed by this thread is off because I know the plane crossed the Columbia between Vancouver and Cames and I will never forget who told me this and when. This person had NO reason to lie to me and this person knew where the plane was. Troutdale Industrial was mentioned during this same conversation. Portland DID NOT want the plane flying overhead with a bomb. If you knew there was a bomb on a plane - would you allow it to fly over populated areas unless you could be reasonably assured Cooper and the Bomb were gone? Go in low and hope he jumps. I believe from the sitings this is exactly what happened. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

What I am trying to do - is pose 5 question sfor someone regarding the flilght and the ground cover and weather and media inaccuracies. 1. The visiblity from Seattle to Oregon. 2. What did the Pilot see. 3. What was the lowest altitude and at what point did that occur. East and North of Battleground? East and North of Lake Merwin? Where they futher East than reported when they approach Lake Meriwin - There were reports South and West of Cougar, plus a siting I cannot make go away (note this siting does NOT help my cause). (Robert your accounting DOES not agree with what I was told yrs ago by SOMEONE who knows) 4. At what point did they feel the bump and the time is not relevant unless we know the relay time of information...and the accuracy of the time being used on the plane and time on the ground. 5. Was the plane East of Portland PDX when it crossed the Columbia. What I am trying to do is compile 5 questions for someone (also stating what claims to be known as an answer) and see what this person is willing to provide without pressure or co-ercion. Perhaps the memory of 40 yrs ago is gone - but it will the last shot to hear these things from the horses mouth. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Mr. Nicholson - I am NOT playing a health card. I had surgery nine weeks ago and tomorrow I have the first of many appts to address the other problem. The surgery is so specific - I have been told it cannot be done by any Surgeon in our area - that is a large area. So I guess I just played a Flush. By the way I am not a "Darling". That is a bird and if you are going to compare me to an animal use a stalker. You will have to discuss your question with Sluggo outside of the thread - I am sure he will have an answer for you. Part of this has to do with his over sensitive reaction to some things I say and his virtual down play of important factors because "he" doesn't think they mean anything. Sluggo has been an immense value to me in helping me to gather information and maps and for that I am forever grateful. I like Sluggo. Personality wise - Sluggo and I -CLASH, I get mixed emotions about what he is thinking or saying. He is a VERY nice and intelligent person and tries to be objective - but, like myself he lets too much of his own feelings get in the way. Two such individuals in one room is chaos along with intolerance and that is NOT productive. Sluggo is a very very intelligent man, but if someone is super sensitive - they just cannot be around me for very long - because I will say and do what I have to do and I do NOT want to have to be on guard about choosing my words or saying what I have to say. I have a job to complete and I can't worry about hurting someone elses feelings. His knowledge of the case is surpassed by only one other individual I know and have met. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Blevins Retorts as though I was PERSONALLY addressing him: ============================================== Dear Blevins: I was talking to Georger and stating WHY he is someone I chose to involve in the next step. He is NOT writing a book to my knowledge and he does at least look at the case objectively since he is not chasing a specific suspect. WHY, did you take this post so personal? I was NOT talking about YOU, but referring to individuals who have specific subjects (you are ONE of them) and those who seem to be involved in this chase only to make a name for themselves. There are many such individuals and they DO NOT post here. Do you have any idea HOW many writers monitor this thread? I am currently aware of 7 besides yourself - and a couple of these contacted me personally to ask some questions about the crime. These questions were NOT Weber specific, but he was discussed briefly. I am polite to these individuals and I check them out to see what they have written and try to figure out what their interest is in researching Cooper. They were not enquiring of me for a book about Weber as I have been very specific about this - do the research and know the crime and know Weber (in other words do NOT "parrot" other articles or books when referring to him. If you can't research him and get the information correct - then don't mention him or my search. Usually this is ignored and I let it go when I read the publication - but, should someone quote me on something that I specifically told them they COULD NOT USE - then they will face a lawsuit. In a weak moment I told one writer about a specific incident and he wanted to use this for notoriety (as there would be NO OTHER reason to use this incidental piece of information). I called and wrote him - and he understands that piece of information cannot be use or I will sue the hell out of him. I also consulted my attorney who has a copy of the email I sent to this writer and his response. The information does NOT add to or take away from Weber. It was personal and was only being used for sensationalism. So I learned the hard way - if it is not something I want the world to know then keep it to myself and do NOT trust everyone I talk to or public forums. So far nothing particularly damaging has been mentioned when they talk about me or Weber, but I hold my breath every time I find a new book is coming out or has come out. Mostly I find they have taken what they say about Weber strickly from the public media which was sometimes incorrect, but that is nothing I can fix after the fact. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Okay Robert99 - we are going to carve the modified statement in Stone. We need for this to be specific. Please sign and return with any changes you make. 1. The weather from Seattle to Portland was NOT socked in! Different areas and elevations had different cloud coverage. 2. The cloud cover was NOT consistent from Seattle to Portland! 3. The cloud coverage from South of Portland to Reno is NOT relevant. 4. Cooper told the flight crew to climb to 10,000 feet out of Seattle.... They had to level off at 7000 feet and slow down so that Cooper could get the stairs down. (At one time the elevation was as low as 6300 ft.) After they crossed the Columbia they proceeded to increase the elevation. 5. Prior to approaching Portland and Vancouver - the altitude was such the co-pilot was able to state he thought he could see Portland/Vancouver... it is believed the plane was being flow from the C0-Pilots seat on the right side of the plane. The Co-pilot was new to that route. Robert - you might want to read the above very carefully - this has to be as factual as it can be. Perhaps you might like to add the techical language I am unable to do. I have a reason for this. They need to be put in question format. I suggest everyone prepare specific questions about the flight from Seattle to Portland. WE will select five to present to the co-pilot so we can stop messing around and get something done. I believe he will answer 5 of the most pertinent questions - and we need to keep them simple and direct and they must be the MOST important questions that need to be answered....MYTH versus FACT needs to be established regarding the flight from Seattle to Portland. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger: What does your having the passenger list have to do with any of this? I have a feeling we will be denied the priviledge of posting about the meeting or its contents. Especially since there are so many 'writers" or wannabees out there. Each question will have to have - a discuss or confidentiallity code with an expiration date. Meaning he will determine what we can discuss publically before we walk out of the room and when it can be discussed. Robt99: Why the hell do I have to get you mad for you to stop fooling around with the words - it was beginning to sound lilke you were in a washing machine - whish whish whish whish. Go back and read your posts to other individuals - you were all over the map - NO one actually knew what you were saying and you made it about whatever you wanted to. I will take the BOLD and CAPs as YOUR statement of opinion...and hope you stand by it without being whishy washy. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Sure I would do this. Sluggo could serve as the intermediary - he has before if this is agreeable to you. I do have the passenger list if there is any doubt. G. NO! Sluggo is NOT acceptable because he is too bias - both pro and con. There is a young man who has genius levels far above that of Sluggo's and who knows this story far better than Sluggo knows it...he is young and will be among those who carry the Cooper Legend forward if we don't solve it - not one of us old foggies will be around in 2073 (just a random number with no meaning). I will not discuss anymore details in the forum - you know my private Email - you have me blocked from PM's in the thread. This is NOT something that needs to be set up in a public forum - because then it WILL not happen. I am not even sure I can pull this off, but "we" had talked about something like this over a yr ago. You are the only one I choose from the thread to participate in this exercise and that maybe all it will be. There is a poster on this thread who has been very helpful lately and lives in the N.W who I would also like to include if we can bring such a meeting to fruition without PUBLIC media involved and we may have to sign confidentiality agreements to do this. I do NOT want to overwhelm this individual. It will be quiet a financial undertaking for me - because I am sure he will want me to be present. Each person chosen to be there - has to be neutral and we know Sluggo is NOT neutral. You, Georger have shown yourself to be objective and neutral - you can be a baboon once in awhile, but I believe that you like myself want REAL answers - regardless of who Cooper was. You are NOT motivated for the notoriety or a book. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Georger Stated: Obviously what I am after is: was it clear at 10k feet looking down? Was it clear at 7000ft looking down for Cooper and the crew? I have yet to see anything which clarifies this ... to my satisfaction.

Georger then states: Georger Thank you for being such a detailed researcher of records. With NO knowledge of the technical aspects of the door opening - my simple mind says they had to take the altitude down so the door could open. All of this 10,000 (that is the point at which Oxygen becomes questionable). Why Cooper demanded they stay below 10,000 - not at 10,000. Duane showed me the over-head oxygen tanks on one of our flights - I wondered how he knew this, but in those days I had NO knowledge of Cooper other than the trip to WA and knew NO details about the crime when I called the FBI in 1996. I have had quiet an education in these past 15 yrs - but retaining some of the details to defend my story are difficult for me. Thank You for a post that gave me a "memory charge" regarding things I told the FBI.