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so billvon you say that the puffs of grayish smoke are actually office furniture then i guess you're right that makes perfect sense and explains everything. thanks for clearing everything up. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

i don't know wether or not bin laden was involved but the one video were he confesses to it is highly disputed, some have ridiculed it as a fake. also recently some top us military commanders have come forward saying that they were told by the white house not to pursue bin laden when they were close to capturing him. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

good one stumpy if you think this is a silly conspiracy then why are you reading this thread. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

billvon what you're saying makes no sense anyone who has seen these numerous puffs of smoke can see that they look like greyish powder being ejected through windows. please explain how office furniture and compressed aie=greyish powder. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

''There were three references there, and they all collapsed'' billvon the other examples were not steel framed skyscrapers, they were 4-5 story factories. you did not present any examples of steel skyscrapers collapsing and yet you claimed that they used to collapse often. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

billvon if the puffs of debris are the collapsing floors then how exactly do they appear dozens of floors below the demolition wave and if the collapsing floors are dozens of floors below the demolition wave then what exactly is the demolition wave, is it exploting steel. if the puffs are the floors collapsing that suggest they accelerated faster then the freefalling debris outside. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

''Have you seen the video explaining how the towers collapse? We watched a video explaining how the planes impact knocked the fire insulation off the steel, how the fire changed the properties of the structural steel, and how the construction of the building perfectly explains the collapse of all stories after the first story collapsed.'' the video you watched is the propaganda. the thing about your video is that it surely doesn't mention building 7 and has a ridiculous explanation for the two towers. watch both videos and think for yourself and see witch scenario makes more sense. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

billvon your reference is of a building that burned much hotter and longer that any trade centers and yet DID NOT COLLAPSE. great example. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

here are government plans to fake terrorist activity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods ''Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro..'' ''The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil.'' ''create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba." get ready to be drafted for bushs expanding army "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

''BTW side note - steel skyscrapers used to collapse often due to fires...'' references?? "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

billvon your argument lacks any logic riight is not response-here is a link for the alive hijackers; http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=1800#a091601stillalive and if the ''puffs'' of smoke are just compressed air then they would be just that and not exploding concrete. you simply can't have each and every concrete floor smashing themselves into a fine dust and also have freefalling speeds, it doesn't make sense. even a half second delay from each floor would result in 40+second collapse. do you really believe that one of the hijackers passports fell out of his pocket, somehow out of the plane, survived the 500milehour impact and fire and then floated down in perfect condition for the government to find. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

''Marvin P. Bush, the youngest brother of future President George W. Bush, is a director at Stratesec from 1993 to June 2000,'' ''A security company called Stratesec acquires an $8.3 million contract to help provide security at the World Trade Center'' ''It has a “completion contract” to provide some of the center’s security “up to the day the buildings fell down,” according to Barry McDaniel, its CEO from January 2002. Another of Stratesec’s biggest security contracts, between 1995 and 1998, is with the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, providing electronic security for Reagan National Airport and Dulles International Airport.'' not sure what article you read? "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

the bottom line is that you have two theories; one is the official story that planes+fire brought down the towers, the other is it was controlled demolition. forget about the implications for a while(which is what keeps most people from even considering controlled demolition) and just see which theory better fits the data. the official story; -admits it is unable to explain wtc7 -has to invent a new phenomenon-self collapsing buildings- or some kind of pancake theory which doesn't make any sense and can't expain how the towers collapsed. -doesn't match eye witnesses -can't explain observed events; molten steel dripping from a tower, molten steel under base of trade center and building 7, ruble smoldering for MONTHS, freefall speed of collapse, squibs or puffs of smoke many stories below demo wave, symmetry of collapse, buildings fall into their own footprint,explosions in the basement, etc. and then theres controlled demolition which perfectly explains all the above and everything that happened. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

here is an article with references. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=marvin+bush&events=on&entities=on&articles=on&topics=on&timelines=on&projects=on&titles=on&descriptions=on&dosearch=on#events this is not a disputed fact. it is the same company responsible for security at one of the airports where one of the hijacked planes took of from. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

somebody asked how they could have access to the wtc. the person in charge of securtiy for the world trade center was MARVIN BUSH, the president's brother. he was in new york city that week. also the bomb sniffing dogs were removed days before 9/11. numerous eye witnesses reported multiple bizare powerdowns and evacuations in the weeks before 9/11. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

here is a link to a pilot tv series; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2464951265935594207&q=lone+gunmen the lone gunmen, an x-files spinoff. this pilot episode is about a plan where the us gov. hijack passenger jet airliners to fly into the world trade towers to frame terrorists in order to increase the military budget. NO I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP!! Guess when it aired, march 2001. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

to cannuck and others saying this is silly conspiracy you don't bring any logic with your argument so why are posting here? until you can explain how 110 floors can collapse through themselves spontaniously at the same speed as on object freefalling and how building 7 collapsed etc. then you can't ridicule this as a conspiracy theory. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

it would only require a few dozen people to be "in on it" and thousands more help unknowingly to cover it up. the real conspiracy theory is that a bunch of arabs planned and acted this out from caves in afganistan with box cutters and mace. the bbc has reported at least 6 of the 19 hijackers have come forward as being alive and well??? it is physically impossibe for steel highrises' to suddenly explode on their own.nothing survived except for one of the hijackers passports which was recovered at ground zero still in excellent condition. what are the chances of hijacking four planes without the pilots alerting anyone?? what are the chances of hitting those world trade centers exactly in the middle while banking at 500 miles per hour. these were incompetent pilots who were refused a cessna rental because they couln't fly or land it safely.they had never flown in a real commmercial jet. the official story is beyond ludicrous. take a second look. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

firstly you couldn't have watched the whole video because of the time of your post. secondly all the evidence clearly indicates a controlled demolition; -puffs of smoke often dozens of floors below the demolition. -freefall speeds; both towards fell in 8-10 seconds which is physically impossible without explosives removing any resistance. -"rivers of molten steel'' found at the base of the towers molten steel seen dripping from one of towers. -experts agree temperatures not hot enough to melt steel. -multiple eye witness accounts of multiple explotions (including video footage of ruble in the basement before any collapse-a fifty ton press demolished in the basement before any collapse) -wtc building 7-a 47 story building mysteriously collapses exactly like a controlled demolition- which the official investigation is unable to explain. -no steel skyscraper has ever or since collapsed due to fire despite much hotter and longer burning fires. -all ruble(evidence) was quickly removed so no one could examine it. -virtually all concrete was pulvarized to dust. all three buildings fell symmetrically into their own footprint. etc. etc. etc. seems pretty obvious to me "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

this is a must see; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871&q=911mysteries (they keep deleting it so if its not there just search videogoogle for 911mysteries) please don't comment unless you watch it. also check out; http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html spread the links to everyone. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

interesting i hadn't heard of that before. the germans developped a technique to turn coal into a sort of sythetic liquid oil. this is what powered the nazi war machine in ww2 because they were cut of from any crude oil. since the us has one of the greatest reserves of coal it will start building lots of coal liquification plants, i think they might have started already. all of the fossil fuels available will be burned into the atmosphere. With increased demand and prices for alternative fuels will come the destruction of many more forests in attempts to clear more land to grow fuel. this is already happening in brazil. we will all burn in hell but hopefully we can jump out of a few more planes first. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

thanks for all the responses people. my main point was that a combination of alternative energy sources does not exist which can replace oil. as oil prices increase so will the price of all these alternatives. we are not running out of oil, we are running out of cheap oil. the problem is fundamental; the first world economies especially north america's is based on exponential growth, economic and population growth which are completely based on the availability of cheap oil which is about to become history. for the people who said that theres still lots of oil in the ground this true but isn't as important as production over time; the world currently produces about 85 000 000 million barrels of oil per day or about a thousand barrels per second but it will soon peak and decline. for example its been said that canada's tar sands contain hundreds of millions of barrels of recoverable oil but they will never produce more than several million barrels per day. ethanol is already becoming huge but there simply isn't enough farmland to scale it, and the net energy return isn't nearly as favorable as light sweet crude. also ethanol and biodiesel will cause poor people to compete for food against 1st worlders who want to fill their gas tank and jump out of planes. the supermarket will be competing with the gas station. natural gas has already peaked in north canada(we supply the us) and is in sharp decline, some say 8 years left. many sources are declining as much as 30% per year. that combined with the coming oil shortage means increased demand and reduced supply; economics says price goes up. sorry to sound so pessimist but i've studied both pessimistic and optimistic data and the only conclusion i can come to is that tough times are ahead. "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

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hi sorry to bring bad news but it seems to me that as world oil production will soon be peak and begin its inevitable decline that sports such as skydiving will quickly be priced out of existance, except maybe for the ultra rich. if you're not familiar with peak oil check these out; www.peakoil.com www.peakoil.net www.lifeafterthecrash.net (slighty more pessimistic) as someone just entering this wonderful sport i find this information very depressing. if you disagree please share, or if you operate a dz at what oil price will you be able to continue operating? i'm so sorry "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs

wicked video does anyone know what the music track is?? "Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives." A. Sachs