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drama? what drama? you haven't even seen the REAL drama...

wait, did I read that right? you shave your pussy w/o cream or water?

now all you need is to fly a lot and work your way up to a V3 wingsuit...

sweet! welcome to the flock, Rosa!! looking forward to seeing the video as for the lack of pics... make sure you get lots of them on her next flight!

Every time I try to post in this thread I find myself at a loss for words. My deepest condolences to everyone. Family, friends, wingsuit brothers/sisters... my heart goes out to you all. Miss you, Steve. Will always miss you. I had the privilege of flying with Steve many times... Pepperell, Jumptown, Puerto Rico... He was an excellent wingsuit flyer with a genuine love for this sport, and without any of that skygod attitude you see in other people at the same skill level. What a wonderful guy we lost! I remember his smile and enthusiasm every morning in Elsinore. We would exchange a few words during breakfast each day, and he seemed so happy and ready to fly every single time. I remember sitting next to him in the debrief room, sharing the joy of seeing our big formation come together. He was so eager to do a fun jump after the big formation loads. He wanted to go fun jump on sunset the day before, but we had to stay on the ground for more bigway dirt-diving. The day we finally got the record, he was so excited to go up again for a small fun flight. I considered going up on that sunset load, but was mostly feeling too lazy to pack. He asked a bunch of us if we wanted to go up again. "what are you guys going to do on this one?" I asked. His reply was: "We're just gonna fly." He looked so happy... eyes glowing, nice big smile... Fly free, my dear friend. BSBD

why do you (and Yuri, too) need to criticize people who take a couple seconds to exit without their wings completely spread out?!! it is the SAFE thing to do. exiting "like a non-wingsuiter" (i.e. not popping all spread-out right out the door) keeps people ALIVE. we just lost a friend and wingsuit brother because he started flying TOO SOON upon exit... you guys can trash the flying style al you want, but leave the exits alone! this is not the kind of advice you want to spread on here. there is a fine line between a nice flying exit and a too hard pop out the door. there is a horizontal stabilizer on the tail of that plane, and it ain't all that friendly. encouraging people to fly sooner on exit is some very risky advice!

nope... just came across it in a google search... thought certain pony-lovers on here would appreciate the pony-porn...

pussy... make him dive out last and tell him to aim at the middle of the formation make sure he is wearing a camera. and don't forget to use a Blade for the student suit. all jokes aside, gilead1, hope you end up coming to Elsinore, you'll get to watch the cool record attempts going on, it should be a lot of fun. if you see me around, come say hi.

gotta love those ponies...

don't forget the girth, too!

you ain't doing it right. you're supposed to have it in your hands the whole way up, being all antisocial and focused on the little screen, not paying attention to what's going on. no cracked screen then

Good thinking on that one. I'm notorious for leaving my phone inside the wingsuit chest pocket and completely forgetting about it... But speaking of various pockets... don't mean to make this another brand war thread, but Tony really shines at this one... those inside the wing zippered places... ya know, for carrying anything from candy wrappers you don't wanna leave on the plane to a whole bunch of beer bottles/cans on those beach sunset loads... I hear that stuff really helps you pick up chicks!

beautiful work, Matt!

Mike, you should download a copy of the grid and play with it a bit. one picture doesn't fully describe all the possibilities of properly fitting the formation... here's one try. based on how you scale the grid, you can get uglier or prettier... try it, it's interesting. and kinda fun. edited to attach

if you come f10cking with us in Elsinore I'll do it

dork.

Ohh man, here I was, thinking... wow! great suggestions! Really digging the idea of making a formation that looks like ascii hot chick... I could already see myself flying the nipple slot... or the clit slot... ohhh, the possibilities... but then it hit me! how could you post that as a suggestion? it's NOT SYMMETRICAL!!! It fails your very own criterium no.4!! Yuri!!!

excellent point, Simon. No, we shall not lose sight of that. Fri the 6th. Evening. Elsinore. Party in my room. Or something. We'll figure it out. It's gonna be fuuuuun!!!

Phil, Well said on encouraging people to fly more, to organize better record-setting events, and to empirically test other new ideas/improvements. Couldn't agree more. And thanks for already doing that. but... Until you come up with a proposal which addresses and nullifies those points...yes. nooooooo!!! don't tell people to shut up!! It is often the case that people who point out problems aren't the ones to solve them. (ever heard of Hilbert? He had a whole list of them. Some generated whole disciplines within mathematics. It's not like he had any good solutions when he announced that list at a conference - now that's some serious bitchin, some might say...) It is also often the case that the ones who solve such problems wouldn't have otherwise given them much thought, had it not been for those other fuckers who bitched in the first place. So... what if Jarno or Butters or whoever you like doesn't have your solve-all cure-all solution yet? Bitchin is good (to some extent). Criticism needs to be allowed. (though, guys - can we please be nicer to each other when we throw in all those ideas? pleaaase? Try the 2 positives followed by one negative technique. Might get others to listen to you better ) Perhaps one of these days some dude (or dudette) comes along and starts reading all this shit and thinks "ohh, but it's obvious!" and shows us all some solution that'll have everyone go "DUUHHH, that's so easy, why didn't I think of doing that before?" Or maybe we need a multi-step process in evaluating the formations. Say, grid is step 1. Then step 2 addresses the "prettyness" factor from some totally different criteria through some other interesting method... let's call it the "15-dimentional titty-twisting"(or 15D-TT) method. Neither The Grid nor the 15D-TT would be sufficient to judge the formation alone, maybe the 15D-TT only works well on a grid-worthy formation but otherwise yields a bunch of crap, and the other way around... but when combined, they two steps may yield a very accurate set of judging criteria. Who the fuck knows? But discussion doesn't hurt. Some of it may be total crap... but sooner or later there might be some brilliant ideas coming out of it, and there's a big chance that those good ideas will come as a reaction to lots of prior bad ideas rather than just from someone thinking about the grid all by himself, with nobody to talk to, and all of a sudden having a major revelation. That being said, I look forward to seeing the grid in action in.. what is it.. 10 days?? Can't wait to fly with you all in Elsinore!!! p.s. blbbppp!!!

have you done a first flight course yet? if so, did you ask your instructor? (yea, yea, I know, the most dreaded answer on dz.com) if not, make that your priority before thinking about suits. the S-FLY is not just one suit. They have a whole bunch of them any chance you can demo before buying? oh, and by the way, read the sticky article at the top of this forum... the one about which suit to buy :)

sushi is better than salads anyway :) :) (I have a feeling even Jeff N will agree with this one) Lurch, you and Veggie Reggie would make a great couple.

Maybe all the complaining isn't ill-meant. maybe it's supposed to be taken as constructive criticism, just not properly expressed that way. I feel like we get too carried away in forum wars here... it's always some sort of "us vs. them" issue, some black/white... I doubt anyone wants to take down the approved records and undo the hard work that has been done. We're all grateful for it. You're not expected to "defend" the grid. What a lot of people are trying to say (I hope) is that there is room for improvement. Taya, your efforts are much appreciated. All respect to you for pushing the sport further. Same goes for the other boys on the organizing team. Love you all very much!! None of this would be happening without you! But think of this as writing a paper. You get your first draft, you sweat through it and to you it's the most awesome thing in the world. Then you get feedback from your reviewer. It looks like they totally trashed it!! All your work turned inside out! But that's not true at all. You take the suggestions and rework through your paper and make it better. Then you get it reviewed again. And trashed some more. And you rework it even more. And so on, until you end up publishing a very polished version... None of the criticism you got along the way was meant to turn you back.. it was just there to help you improve something you'd already done pretty well, but that had room for getting even better. The grid so far has been a fantastic start. All I'm saying is don't hate those who point out its flaws, but keep an open mind... filter out all the bullshit and in the end some of the criticism can end up being very useful in the long run.

You bring up an interesting point... accidentally dirt-diving it into diamonds... Did you guys measure the distances on the ground when you were dirt diving it? Cause it might've still looked like diamonds from above even after you told people to move further. Maybe it's not so much about being able to judge angles as it is about getting used to a certain angle. Practicing it more on the ground, with rigs and wingsuits on, laying it flat on our bellies, and finding visual cues that enable us to find the same point in the sky. Stuff like "I'm supposed to see that much of his foot, and this part of his rig.. up to here.. " and other crap like that. It seems to me that the angle is pretty much set by the first two people following the base. Row 2, or whatever you wanna call it. Everyone else mostly looks at distances and follows sight lines. So if you had flyers trying to correct the initial angle, the diagonal sight lines would get screwy. By the way, good job guys! Nice formation. And sweet pictures (as always), Matt. Looks like it was a fun boogie. Wish I could've come.

ahem, what's wrong with cross cultural? Funny thing is, since you brought up the old lattice discussion, Matt's pictures are a case in point... with a squashed grid fitting much more nicely on a formation that otherwise looks pretty nice & symmetrical

that's why you don't pick up any chicks in those bars, Jarno...