MotherGoose

This is just to supplement the other thread about dating skydivers. Can everyone chime in with their stats. This could be crucial information. or not . . . just take a minute of your time please . . . I'm bored at work . . . . thanks You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

"AS THE PROP TURNS" . . . That's so funny, at my DZ its "DAYS OF OUR SKIES" . . . If I may offer my bitter opinion . . . it's hopeless . . . If you deal with someone at your DZ and you break up . . . there's no limit to the amount of drama that can explode. Essentially, one of the parties is forced to leave the DZ for bluer skies to get away from the bullshit. On the other hand, dating non-skydivers is just as fun. First they are attracted to you because you're exciting and you live dangerously . . . blah blah blah . . . then a little bit of time goes by and they realize that you actually DO skydive a lot. This irks them and then eventually they throw the ultimatum at you and you end up telling them to take a hike because skydiving is more important. This may just be my experience but . . . it seems HOPELESS You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I thought "rich skydiver" was an oxymoron ??? You should probably not set your expectations too high if your looking for a skydiver to date. Someone with most of their teeth and a hunger to jump should do, if they have a trailer at the DZ . . . you should be all over that . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I'm also on the market for good skydiving winter gloves. I've been looking around for some time now. Last February, I jumped from 10,5 when it was -26C on the ground. The thermometer wasn't registering in the Cessna at altitude but the pilot said it was well below -50C. I had a great time on the jump except for my hands. I was wearing some fitted thermal rubber dipped work gloves, and let me tell you what a mistake that was. These gloves are great for the spring and fall, but once it gets really frosty, the rubber freezes in freefall and actually refrigerates your hands. My hands were burning for almost an hour after I had landed, it hurt so bad. This year I plan to be prepared, but it doesn't seem like the right glove is out there. Here's what we need . . . - thin silk liner - thin windstopper or equivelant exterior (possibly GoreTex) - LENGTH !!! these gloves need to extend halfway down the forearm at least. - form fitted for safety so they don't get caught in toggles etc. Did I miss anything ??? I wonder if there are any glove manufacturers out there that are up to the task. Its really not that difficult. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

And here I was thinking all this time it was Craig with the bucket... She'll be solo next weekend if the sky ever opens back up. Think I'll start gift wrapping some water to reciprocate today. YOU BETTER GET THE SWEET REVENGE . . . IF SHE EVER JUMPS AGAIN ?? ------------------------------------------------------------- For my 100th i'm doing a naked skydive this weekend :o) so . . . adventurechick . . . I can arrange a plane ticket from Florida to Toronto . . . I'll go nude with you !! ------------------------------------------------------------- hey me too !! Love how that works out- getting paid to be on here!! You know az . . . i have a terrible feeling that my IT dept. is monitoring my internet activities, I can't understand why ?? I'm only logged on to DZ.com for 6 of my 8 hours here You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I with you on this . . . the ones that I have meticulously tried to pack neatly for softer openings have usually been less comfy than the usual 5 to 7 minute pack job. This is one of life's mysteries . . . hmmmmmm . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I'm having trouble convincing Joe to "sacrifice" a duckie for the sake of "safety". Either way, the pond was only about 3 feet deep where I was. I'm sure a floatation device won't be mandatory. I'll work on it for your 100th Muff . . . I'm sure the pond will be in use again . . . EDIT that bucket of water you got for your solo was a cakewalk compared to the wrath of the pond !!!! see attached You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=556 Posted Sat Dec 04 2004 By Tiffany Storrs Photos: Loic Jean-Albert Perris, CA (November 23,2004)- Pioneer B.A.S.E. jumper Jeb Corliss and Go Fast! - sponsored test pilot Luigi Cani, have paved the way for a world record landing attempt of a wing-suit—minus a parachute. Jeb and Luigi teamed up to gauge speeds and gather data to safely land Jeb’s wing-suit. Testing was critical, as no one has ever survived a landing attempt without a parachute. Jeb flew in free fall donning a parachute alongside Luigi, who was at the controls of the world’s smallest and fastest parachute—known as the ICARUS VX-39. The two were able to gather data using GPS systems attached to Luigi that tracked exact forward speeds, exact fall rate and glide angles needed for a safe landing. After two days of test piloting, Jeb Corliss said landing the wing-suit was possible as early as next year. "We found there is a definite and reasonable speed for a landing attempt sometime next summer. We’re now developing four different types of technologies to land safely—it’s very important to land with zero injuries," said Corliss after analyzing data from the test flight. Showcasing the evolution of the sport of skydiving, Luigi Cani remarked on the uniqueness of Jeb’s wing-suit project. "The testing shows the technology of the sport—nowadays we can jump a parachute that flies as fast as a person in free fall and currently we’re discovering technology to land a wing-suit without a parachute," said Cani. "If Jeb lands the wing-suit without a parachute and survives—he is going to be my hero," added Cani. don't think it ever happened though You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Ok . . . so the swooping pond can also affectionately be named the pieing pond, if your DZ has one. I must say it was a bit chilly but lots of fun. Its a shame if your DZ doesn't have a swooping pond, they sure do come in handy for various other activities. I attached a couple more pics of my public ridicule for everyone's enjoyment. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

UPDATE : I suppose the centennial jump has officially been christened. Special thanks to Peter Chapman for the high quality close-ups. I will never ever forget my 100th jump . . . the dive itself was memorable and of course, getting tackled by 8 guys with chocolate syrup, corn syrup and whip cream, not to mention 4 pies . . . it really warms my heart and makes me feel loved

Your poll makes no sense. Pushing someone out of the plane to save an aircraft and its passengers is not a selfish act nor does it mean that you are killing anyone. You do what you have to to save the most amount of lives in adangerous situation, period. Quick assessment of the situation and a level head will dictate what course of action needs to be taken for each individual situation. It has nothing to do with "general" ethics. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I remember reading that a while back . . . those guys are on glue . . . Elmer's finest . . . "aim for water" "12 feet deep minimum" ??? Enough said . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

DSE - no one at the DZ knew this person, she was a random one time tandem thrill seeker . . . but yes, they probably all wanted in with her. mjosparky - there are no rules at the DZ for "working the mines" as you put it. We're on a first come, first served basis like all DZ's. flippant - that's some of the funniest shit I ever read !! thanks for the laughs. But let's have a reality check. The tandem students have to go through the upper echelon of the DZ first, namely the DZO and especially the Tandem Masters. If you all blow your chances and she willingly makes her way to the "lowly packer" and chooses him . . . you all may need to re-evaluate your techniques. udder - don't worry dog . . . you keep at 'er . . . they'll bite eventually. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Are they pissed because you went out with this person? I would be high-fiving you! Remember at a dropzone your don't lose your girlfriend just your turn. Did you butt in line? judy ______________________________________ HELL NO . . . . I fully respect the unwritten rules about butting in and mowing someone else's lawn. This is not the case here . . . This particular Tandem customer expressed some interest my way after her jump, so I hung out with her that evening . . . No one else was even in the picture. But the following day . . . there was a lot of shit-talking going on, and not just from onr source, but a few. Please believe me . . . I am not some arrogant asshole at the DZ . . . I'm friends with everyone and I do not step on anyone's toes or turf. I have not been around as long as the others though, therefore I cannot comment on the long-term effects of being at the DZ full-time and how that makes people really bored and nosey. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Again, cause we are bored and old at least just me. Judy ____________________________________________________ Your honesty is commendable Judy . . . I am not married or in a serious relationship, so you'd think I'm in the clear. I can't say that I have let it show at the DZ that this bothers me that much, I grin and bear it. Obviously to show it bothers me would only add fuel to the fire (Human Nature again). We have a term for these people at our DZ . . . "COCK BLOCKS". If they aren't getting any . . . they try to ensure that no one is getting any!! Its sad . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Lesson learned . . . apparently you need to be very secretive about your personal life at the DZ. It does suck though . . . I have to worry about what people's reactions are going to be to things that I do on my own time . . . I guess its possible to go there, do my work, jump my ass off and go home . . . but its unfortunate that the whole family atmosphere has dwindled and the staff and regulars can't just hang out together and have a good time without judging others . . . I hate HUMAN NATURE ! You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I understand what you are saying but when the HELL did the flip-flop occur ?? I CHOSE SKYDIVING AS MY "ESPCAPE" TO GET AWAY FROM THE BULLSHIT OF LIFE!! What you are saying is that now I have to have an escape from my escape ?? This skydiving stuff is getting confusing . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I thought I'd bring this thread back to life for a while . . . Since I started working at my DZ (packer), being there has gone from a cool experience with nothing but good times, to the worst showcase of high school politics I've ever seen. I know everyone says not to let it get to you, but it can become really difficult. I don't even care who reads this from my DZ because I'm just that fed up and they can eat me. I'm there to pack and jump. As far as packing and jumping goes, I can't complain. But . . . since I work there, I've bought a trailer and parked it at the DZ to minimize travelling. I guess this is where the problem lies. Now I am there friday to sunday, exposed to all the "politics" and I can't believe what I see. I could have read this thread last year and shrugged it off, but now it makes sense and I can see what people are talking about. Without going into details, lets just say that I mind my own business and do my own thing at the DZ and recently . . . I may or may not have "rendez-vous'd" with a cute tandem student. We had a "good time" and went our separate ways, and things were great. Until I found out that certain people were talking shit. I'm almost 28 years old people . . . it is nobody's business what I do in my spare time. WHY THE HELL CAN'T OTHER "SO-CALLED" ADULTS JUST FUCK OFF AND MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS??? Has anyone else had similar experiences ?? Should I just shut the hell up and take it because its part of the atmosphere at every DZ ??? This is just a forum for me to vent, I welcome all opinions. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I was wearing a pair of SORZ with a balaclava. I suppose the goggles aren't exactly meant for winter . . . You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I'm with the POLAK . . . that is one hot rig Nanook !! Must be a bitch to keep clean, not to mention what I would do to myself if I got any grass stains on that silver/grey !!! #$@%@#$% !!!! You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Just put on some thermal underwear and come by Skydive Toronto in the winter . . . last february, we did some jumps from 10500 and it was -26C on the ground, and I don't even want to know what the temp was at altitude!! All I know was that my eyes were watering like crazy under my goggles in freefall !!!! and when I finally landed, I could not use my hands for almost an hour even though I wore thermal gloves. IT WAS AWESOME . . . .GOOD TIMES. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

When I first got off rental gear and went on personal gear without an AAD . . . I was shitting bricks!! The thought of not having the AAD scared the crap out of me. After the first 2 or 3 jumps without it, I realized that not having one, does not affect your jump in anyway. Of course, as many people have eluded to here, AAD's do more good than harm, so I am in no way putting them down. I suppose I will have a huge dilemma when I go to purchase my first BRAND NEW rig next year. At this point, I do not use one and it doesn't bother me in the least. (I'm not doing crazy bigway's with multiple jumpers yet either, just small groups) You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

What's all the buzz about hard opening on Sabre's ?? I've jumped a Sabre now for well over 60 jumps and I have never had a hard opening. Is it only on smaller canopies ?? I keep hearing about snappy openings on the Sabre's but I can't say that I have ever had a hard opening. My opening are always very smooth and I like to pack a nice snivel. Can anyone elaborate? You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

Rotflol Northren Ontario ? Thats not northren OK . . . you got me, I thought I was only talking to the yanks. Barrie is northern ontario as far as I'm concerned, there are no DZ's north of Georgian Bay ?? I'm pretty sure we are the northern most DZ. I could be wrong. EDIT : i attached nice snow jump pick of me buttsliding a nice landing towards a snowbank. If that's not North enough for you I don't know what is. You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.

I don't agree with this advice. You are potentially robbing yourself of so much performance from your canopy by only assuming it will make it back in one mode of flight. If you've got a strong tail wind, then yes flying in brakes is a good way to make it back. But flying one's rears can increase you glide a lot. Instead of being a passenger (continue to fly with your brakes stowed), why not be a pilot and use all of the tools available to get back. This next comment is not directed at MotherGoose, but people wouldn't be so afraid of Cross-Country jumps if they spent more time flying their canopies and less time worrying about getting back. Get up there and pull high more often and learn what sort of range your canopy has. High pulls are not to be feared and they are a great way to not only learn more about your canopy but they are a great way to enjoy the incredible view from up there. I hear what you are saying and I totally agree, only thing I would add is that on your first XC, especially one that's spotted long, you may want to be a bit more conservative, and as you do more, really start to fly your canopy. After all, some of us have yet to land off and we do everything we can to avoid that first off-DZ landing (knock on wood) You think you understand the situation, but what you don't understand, is that the situation just changed.