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You got it. I listened to that song at my Grandparent's more than I should of!!! I still know all the words to the song.......the original words. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Nope "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

How many do you suppose can put the music to this one???? LOL I like it!!! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

FYI Breaking News from NewsMax.com Hillary, Top Dems Still Would Have Voted for War Last week Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said, "We in Congress would not have authorized that war - we would not have authorized that war with 75 votes if we knew what we know now." ABC's Ted Koppel, host of "Nightline," decided to put the words of the senior Democratic member of the Senate Intelligence Committee to the test. Koppel's findings, which aired on ABC Radio late Friday night, directly counter Rockefeller's suggestion that the Senate would not have strongly endorsed the war against Iraq. Koppel reported: "We wanted to see whether the conclusions reached by the Intelligence Committee would have made any difference to the other senators who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, so we called them. "Of the 42 we reached, only three said they would have changed their minds had they known then 'what they know now.' "Among those who say they would not have changed their minds, a number of prominent Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer and Tom Daschle." Despite the media buzz last week that suggested the U.S. Congress may have been hoodwinked by the Bush administration and a politicized CIA into voting for the Iraq war, many leading Democrats apparently do not see it that way. The 511-page report released last week by the Senate Intelligence Committee debunked much of what American intelligence had reported about Iraq. As summarized by Republican senator and chair of the Select Committee on Intelligence, Pat Roberts: "Here are some examples of statements from the key judgments. Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear program. Iraq has chemical and biological weapons. Iraq was developing an unmanned aerial vehicle, a UAV, probably intended to deliver biological warfare agents." But the explosive committee report that lambasted U.S. intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Iraq's Saddam Hussein, has not changed the mind of President Bush, who steadfastly maintained, "I chose to defend the country, and it's exactly what I would do again." Bush has consistently argued that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the United States. But John Kerry's position on Iraq has vacillated - and may have put him at odds with Senate Democrats who told ABC News they still would have voted for the war. Kerry, along with his running mate, John Edwards, voted for the war. But during the Demcratic primaries, Kerry began distancing himself from his war vote and claimed the Bush administration had lied to Congress. Appearing on "60 Minutes" last weekend, Kerry told Leslie Stahl: "I think the president made a mistake in the way he took us to war. I am against the war - the way the president went to war was wrong." At the same time, Kerry said he voted to give Bush the authorization to go to war "as a last resort." He added, "I believe, based on the information we have, it was the correct vote." But Kerry did not say, as Koppel asked knowing "what we know now," if he would still have voted for the war. Kerry again claimed to Stahl that "the way [President Bush] went to war was a mistake." But if the war is such a mistake, the question remains whether Kerry would have changed his vote. Already the Bush administration has seized on Kerry's equivocating. In a speech Monday, Vice President Dick Cheney chided Kerry for "simply trying to rewrite history for his own political purposes." "When Congress voted to authorize force against Saddam Hussein, Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards both voted yes," Cheney said. "Now it seems they've both developed a convenient case of campaign amnesia." "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Wasn't Ken Lay, indicted felon, a BIG Bush contributor? ....and a big Clinton supporter. All the shit he did happened under Clintons watch. He is now be in court on Bush's watch. Nice try Plenty of scumbags to go around. No party has a monopoly. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Pay him,Kofi Annan, enough money, (Like the great president of Iraq did) and he will say or do what ever you want him too. I wonder who payed him to take this position?? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

You have a point but I feel the same way when the Brady Bunch or VPC (or what ever they are) put out fact sheets. The difference is theirs is based on emotion and more saddly, an agenda. The NRA at least uses data and studies. Either way your point is well taken. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

More data on weapons and crime in general http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=128 "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

I hope you are right, ah, I mean correct.....sorry. I would be a Kennedy Democrat. I would be a Zell Miller (spelling) Democrat. I don't care what the name of the party is. If they support lower taxes, (40% and lower) are strong on national defense and DO NOT sacrifice our Constitution to the UN or the World Community. Support less government control and regulation I will vote for them. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Not this one... I think the whoile thing was bullshit, the invasion of Iraq was unwarranted, unjustified, and plain old wrong. I think that it has made the world anything but safe, and I think that GWB and Cheney knew what they were doing the entire freakin time. The whole thing was documented in 2000 by the PNAC which basically spelled out the entire movement into the Middle East so specifically that it predicted the bump up in annual military spending to the exact percentage. Tell me Bush didn't know exacvtly what he was doing... These threads are hilarious!!! We did not go into Iraq because of anything having to do with WMDs... Try reading a little of this... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1221.htm "uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC)." Read the report. I agree with it but I do not agree with the conclusion of the article by Mr MacKay. What is wrong with protecting our interests. It is because of the liberals wanting to give of ourselves to the UN and the "Global Community" that we should do this!!!! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

This story then supports the Bush Administrations assertion that it was going to war with Iraq "BEFORE" is became an imminent threat. (which is what he said all along) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Look here http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

I have had the pleasure of packing a couple of these and I like them very much! I think they pack as small or smaller than comparable canopies (IMHO) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Well stated "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Hmmm. Every time there's something in the news cycles that this adminstration doesn't like, up goes the terror alert. No details, no specifices, just up it goes. Abu Ghraib ? Up it goes. Kerry announces a populist choice for VP ? Up again. Repeat as neccesary until public looks in the other direction. You know, if I was a conservative, I might almost be inclined to a paranoid conspiracy theory, and create a website with lots of aminated gifs of the flag on geocities all about it. Oh ya....... next we can go bomb an aspirin factory! Can the administration win????? Don't say anything and get hit and then are asked why we didn't know or say something and it's a conspiracy. Shhhheeeesshhhh "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

I agree with your post too. However, listed below is a reply indicating (I hope I understood the post) that calling some one a conservative or liberal is name calling. I disagree with that. I am a conservative and I am proud of that. I would think someone on the other side should be proud to be called a liberal!!?? Also, conservatives have been called sheep, stupid and even worse, when taking on topics such as affirmative action, they are labeled a bigot or worse. Hmm, the facts and opinions around the topics are what keep the theads clean, fun and interesting no matter what side of the issue one resides on. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

They are going to try and revive it.... This came to me in my NRA-ILA alert. (Great Thread!!!) With only two months to go before the September 13th expiration of the 1994 Clinton gun ban, anti-gun activists across the nation are now making a new push to re-enact this ineffective legislation. But now time is running out. Congress is only in session fourteen more days before the sunset, and because time is short, anti-gunners will be redoubling their efforts to extend the ban. Originally enacted in 1994, the Clinton crime bill banned gun ownership by law-abiding citizens as the solution to violent crime. But anti-gun politicians were only able to pass the portion of the law banning military-style semi-automatic firearms after agreeing to “sunset” the ban in a decade. Despite not being able to offer even a shred of evidence over ten years that the Clinton gun ban has reduced crime, Rep. Michael Castle (R-DE) is sponsoring H.R. 3831 to extend this failed and discredited policy for another decade. To date, only a handful of congressmen are cosponsoring this bill to continue this misguided and useless policy. Even one extremist gun ban group, the Violence Policy Center, has admitted that continuing the ban will not “make one whit of difference one way or another . . . if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass.”(National Public Radio, 3/11/2004) Since the gun banners are trying now to persuade Members of Congress to support and cosponsor H.R. 3831, we ask you to write, fax, e-mail, and call Congressman Jim Leach this week urging him to publicly oppose H.R. 3831 and instead to support legislation that will actually remove violent criminals from America’s streets. Please urge your family, friends and fellow hunters and shooters to do the same. Help dismantle part of the anti-gun Clinton legacy by acting today. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Not as many as Clinton caused with his tax increases (which he promised not to do but, you know, the economy was worse that he was told "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

True "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

This was reported on NBC last week. Hezbollah (spelling?) was the org wanting to help Moore..... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

That is not true, we wrote of FOX but others have taken on the information but CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and NPR can not because it does not back up thier agenda. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

These answers are wrong in my opinion. There have been evidence of WMDs, there is a clear link, and I don't care what other countries think. (but I will not go into the UN and the world community topic here) The evedence of a link has existed since Clinton, but that was never the reason given by Bush to go to war. And now the serin filled shells but lets just ignore them. Your great sources choose not to discuss this information because it does not support their AGENDA. Open your eyes. (but that does not help support your agenda now does it?) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Back in the 90's even Clinton recognized that the link existed. More information is coming forth all the time that there is a link. By the I trust fox more than CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS ...... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

Therefore, ya better make damn sure you know what you're talking about before starting a war. Quote The war was not started by the US! It started during the Clinton Admin. Remember the first Trade Center attack? Remember the Cole? Remember the US Embassy? The biggest (and best) difference now is we have a president that decided enough is enough!!! God Bless GWB and the United States of America! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln

This is my argument on causation, which he does touch on. As I have said before, studies are not going to be able to isolate one factor from the other. As they are partisan they always forget to investigate causality. It is always assumed that because we have legislation, that automatically means the outcome is linked to that legislation. My contention continues to be that it is the rise of gang culture through migration into this country that has led to increased gun violence, and not simply our recent gun legislation. This article touches on that point and acknowledges it but fails to account for it in its reasoning. He also fails to cite any of the figures he claims, although I suspect this is merely a failure in his drafting as opposed to an attempt to mislead. I think that the gangs know that there are less guns to fight them so they get more violent! Gun control only remove guns from those that could have the legaly. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln