DSE

Let's try this one more time, as I'm apparently confused. You said: -The Canon 5DMKII cannot shoot 24p. it only shoots 30p, although you suggest it doesn't in your above quote. -PsF is relegated to anything that packages progressive information into an interlaced stream using time-offset with marker/flags. -If the flags are not correctly read, then the stream is read as interlaced, and usually reversed fields. -The workflow for decoding the footage is *not* straightforward, it's not easy, and it's EXTREMELY more likely they'll have trouble decoding the footage properly at this point in time. Could you please you to post your work with the 5DMKII? Some of mine can be found on Vimeo. I'd very much appreciate any workflow tips for an easy, fast means of doing dailies outside of HDMI from the cam directly. Hopefully I'm making more sense now?

JVC HD? Or JVC HDD? HD=High Definition HDD=Hard Disk Drive And then there are the HD HDD. From there, it only becomes more confusing.

Norman could fly it.

Wow. All I can say is "wow." You asked about cameras as a skydiver with nearly 6000 skydives in a skydiving forum, but don't expect people to assume you're not using it for skydiving? A thousand pardons. Since you're not asking about skydiving cameras, I can't answer your question without a great deal more information because I'd hate to (again) wrongfully assume you wanted HD, SD, a camera that fits in a purse or on a jib/boom. Maybe you want something that records AVCHD, maybe you want something that records MPEG2. Does it need to fit a gyro? Tyler mount? Taking skydiving out of the equasion, then it becomes a question of budget, size, specific needs, weight, recording time. So.... It ranges from Sony's SR45 (standard def HDD camera priced around $300.00) to Sony F23 with dual SDI Fibrenet with 22 mins of storage per vault, priced around $675,000.00 with a single vault port. Price does not include lens. [edit-Figured I'd better edit to add; if you're looking at HDD, then your only choice for native editing on a "powerful Mac" is SD, because Apple does not directly support AVCHD, and all the HDD camcorders out there in the sub $3000.00 range are AVCHD. If you're interested in HDCAM SR, ignore what I just wrote.]

I didn't want to drill any holes in my Tonfly, that's why I like the flexible cable from the HypEye, it just dangles in front of my eye.

if you look REALLY closely at the reflection in Justin's glasses, you can see a woman seeking extra altitude. Seriously.

Aside from agreeing that the student shouldn't have received the bowling speech, I'm curious about how badly the student or the truck was injured??

No one flamed you, I merely copy/pasted the answer from the READ ME FAQ. It's an easier way of answering the same question over and over again. In fact, that's why I wrote my addendums to it, so I've got a source from which to copy/paste. Welcome (back?) to the forum, and I'm sorry you felt anyone was rude. If it's not for skydiving, more information about size, budget, preferred workflow, and typical use scenarios would help me or anyone else answer the question with greater clarity. Forgive me for assuming you were asking about a camera for skydiving when it's a Skydiving Photography forum. The HDD question gets asked at least once or more per week (related to skydiving).

You claimed that PsF is only related to 24p. I've pointed out it is not. Had I only wanted to hock a book, I wouldn't have given you Google terms and attempted to explain it at a basic level. Frankly, for the .80 I make when someone buys a book, I don't really give a damn. 2:2 isn't remotely only related to engineers; it's how the NLE system will see (if supported) the flags in the video stream. Not all apps properly support progressive content in an interlaced stream in all formats/codecs. The issue becomes confused stating that "PsF is related only to 24p," which the Canon5DMKII is incapable of shooting. The 5D does NOT record in a progressive format, it records progressive footage in an interlaced stream. Canon developed their own method of approaching this standard means of progressive storage. It is unique, and caused many initial problems in their DV and HDV camcorders for software users. Problems with some of their camcorders using this technology are *still* not resolved with all NLE's even 2.5 years later. Now....exactly what is so "easy" with this format? You are correct, the footage does not require de-interlacing, but if you're working with an app that doesn't properly read the pulldown flag or if the pulldown flag is corrupted (easy to do), then you're screwed. The workflow for the 5D is FAR from normal, far from easy,and far from commonplace. If you feel PsF is simple, why did you initially emphatically state that PsF is only related to 24P when it has nothing to do with 24P? One should be scared when attempting to do video-only with the 5DMKII. It's not 'easy.' It requires an understanding of several factors and conversions. [edited to add: It will become easier, and by NAB we'll see more than one "fix it all" solution for this camera and others like it in addition to new software capability on the part of multiple NLE's. The 5DMKII is currently 'bleeding edge' in how it lives in the real world. You don't think *that* is confusing, I hope

I don't have experience with the Neptune, but wanted to mention I don't like the Optima/L&B flash at all. I was very happy to see GetHypoxic (reviewed on the front page of dropzone.com right now) offer an expansion kit that works with the Optima, because it's a flexible indicator, not an unbendable, somewhat fragile LED indicator like the other options I've seen.

Sometimes, they do listen. I wish I'd have listened more closely a time or two.

There is also the Aerial Fun Channel but it's not wingsuit-specific.

From the "Please Read Before Posting:" Q:Can I use a hard drive-type or DVD-based camcorders? A: No, unless you're only doing hop n' pops from low altitudes. Hard drives require air pressure in order to function properly. DVD drives cannot manage the stress and bounce of freefall. Stick with memory card or tape-based camcorders. __________________________________________________________________

The online stuff are just a few segments from the DVDs, each DVD is about an hour (Tandem editing vid is a lot longer). LOTS of eye-candy. Aside from the many jumps shot just for this project, we also went through Scotty Burns library over the past year to find shots that illustrated the topic being discussed. There is exclusive content never seen before from the 71Way, Lodi, Flock n' Dock, Puerto Rico 08, Pepperell, Elsinore, Eloy, and all the skills camps from 2008. Heffro did a few backfly jumps for this project and shows off a couple tricks no one has really seen him do yet, like the "McTwist." Lots of ground exercises for those looking to get into wingsuiting, or for those that are ground-bound due to weather/season. Scotty Burns did his first-ever video edit job on one of the DVDs, of his best-ever shots. Scotty also has a great cameo appearance where he talks about the caveats and benefits of flying a camera with a wingsuit, and what/when/how to get started flying a wingsuit camera. Jarno did a terrific wingsuit animation and some super transitional pieces for the project. All in all, at least 20 people heavily contributed to this project. You get to see Heffro *trying* to act like a student, too.

There is nothing wrong with Sports mode, so long as you understand what it does, why it does it, and how it relates to the speed of your lenses. As LouDiamond alluded to earlier, some of the "big names" in skydiving photography use all the various modes. I know one "big name" that uses Sports mode frequently. But he doesn't use slow and cheap lenses.

only if you're above 9K MSL, but I'd worry about the heads on opening shock. Tape has a constant tensioning arm x 2, and Flash has no moving parts. IMO, it's simply nuts to use any drive or DVD-based recording system in any relationship to parachuting, since there are so many options available.

In no way is this meant to be an argument.... How many reality shows have you pitched? How many distribution targets have you hit? How much do you know about today's reality TV distribution model? You know this has already been attempted, more than once, right? In our sport? Sometimes...life just has to move and can't wait for a decision by a board or NATPE rep. I think Ian's piece is very well written, and it comes from his point of view from the inside. His view might have included pink elephants running through the room at breakfast that no one else saw, but they would still be part of his perspective, wouldn't they be? All I'm reading from your post (and maybe I've got it wrong too), is that you have a personal itch with Ian and used his article as a means to scratch that itch. Win or lose, tie or die...it was an experience that many of us would have taken on had we offered the talent and personal skills required to make it as far as they did. I for one, very much enjoyed reading about it from Ian's viewpoint. I'd like to read someone else' viewpoint as well...but it hasn't been yet written, to my knowledge. Attacking Ian at a personal level is pretty low, IMO. It takes guts to write that sort of a piece, and express personal emotions. Of course one expects the work to be criticized, but to attack the foundation of the work, the emotional expression of the work? Seems that there is more than objective criticism at play here.

Aww man...I just ordered a freefly suit from Tonfly...I hope it fits and is delivered on time. Voodew, you depress me. I'll let you know how mine goes. I have a well-worn pair of Deepseed pants that I like, they're just a little waist-large for me. Other than Tony, the in-country service I've gotten from two different manufacturers as been below "suck" on the experience meter. One of em, I hand-delivered the suit to them in Flagler Beach, and it still took him months to refund my $$.

Yes...Scotty jumped the gun a little. This was supposed to be secret til NEXT Friday. Malcolm, we took great caution to assure that Mike's voice isn't heard on the DVD. Just his smile alone is overwhelming. You HAVE to see it to believe it. You can see a bit of Justin's performance here. Put your wingsuit on and follow along. And yes, Scotty did an awesome job of capturing this footage in the air and on the ground. Even Zach made it into these videos, as did Heffro/Jeff, Chuck Blue, Scott Bland, Sobey, Andreea, the Grays, Callantine, Taya, Norman Kent, Monkey, Stoney, Rick, and SO many others...we tried to thank everyone, but I'm sure we missed a few names. The 202 disc has Scotty Burns FIRST EVER video edit in it, made of the World Record event at Elsinore, plus other unseen/exclusive footage of that event.

I believe my monkeyfist caused me a few hesitations, Sandy Reid at Rigging Innovations covered a whiffleball in leather for me, making a very light hackey that feels solid and doesn't have holes.

I wish I was coming to PR. It was part of the plan, and then PIA released their schedule, and they scheduled a second wingsuit class. So...I'm stuck in Reno until Friday afternoon, and it's not worth only being in PR for Sat afternoon and Sunday morning.

This letter came to me via email last night, and it meant a lot to me, because: A-The conversation referred to in this letter was not had with the person who wrote this email, they were at the table listening to me speaking to another skydiver. B-The conversation was very terse. The skydiver I was speaking with had expressed how poor their belly skills are, and how they had a hard time flying on their belly with students, tandems, and RW. My commentary was, "I thought you filmed a lot of tandems." The response was "I do. I sit fly everything." Well...it bothered me that this person can't even do simple relative work, and so I told this person, "If you can't fly on your belly, you have no business being in front of a tandem. Accidents happen, and belly flight is the foundation of all forms of flight." The discussion devolved from there, and I think both of us walked away from the table not feeling good about the discussion. The videographer in question is still only sit-flying tandems, and I'm still adamantly of the belief that one should be capable of solid belly/backflight before sitting in front of tandems. I'm sure some here disagree. In hindsight, I do wish I'd managed the conversation differently. Anyway, this letter came as a welcome surprise from someone listening in on the conversation around the table. Hey Douglas, How is everything? I am not sure if you remember me, but I had dinner with you a little over a month ago at the _______ place down in _______ with _______. I was reading your article in this months issue of Parachutist and I wanted to just write you to say that I thought it was awesome and I gained a lot of insight about camera flying that I absolutely never knew, especially about the safety aspects. I have 100 Jumps and thought about eventually getting into camera flying, but my goal is to become a Tandem Instructor. I remembered the conversation that happened during that dinner regarding the importance of belly flying and mastering the techniques before moving to freeflying. I remember not too far after I got my "A" I couldn't wait to learn how to fly ways other than belly. Despite what some of my friends said regarding mastering belly before freeflying, I went for it at around jump 40 - 60 in pure sit and back flying. When I got down to Z-hills, I was extremely excited about jumping multiple ways on belly because of the relative work I could do. After that talk with you, I devoted the next 25 jumps purely to instruction on mastering Belly, and WOW did I learn and correct a lot that I didn't realize I was doing wrong. I get it now! I did 35 min of tunnel time with Sally and Martin which was an awesome improvement on my skills. Basically what I wanted to say was THANK YOU! Thank you for the insight to reiterating the importance of belly flying, and shining some light on me to help improve my skills. I can safely say that by choice I probably won't be free flying for awhile until I am 100% sure that I have a firm grasp on my belly skills. I am sure that I will be putting a few instructors kids through school after I am done, but I know that in the long run it will make me a better flyer, and hopefully in the end make me a better coach and instructor. Though I do have the 100 jump minimum requirement for my coach rating, I want to hone my skills more before challenging the class. In my mind I don't want to coach a student on a skill that I myself am trying to master. I can imagine that it probably did cause some negative feedback, but unfortunately in this sport when it comes to safety you kind of need to be brutally honest. I know for myself I respond better to brutal honesty than a sugar coating. Despite that I did want you to know that you did get across to someone and someone did hear you out completely. Being a rookie still and trying to learn the correct ways to do things without causing any injury to myself or others is very important in my book. Anyways, aside from that, the article was totally awesome and I did learn a lot. Maybe when it comes time that I want to pick up the camera I could pick your brain a little, cause it is very obvious you know what your doing and you have that safety aspect your primary goal just in front of gaining that perfect shot and having fun! Sincerely, XXXXX I've removed all names/specific references to this conversation out of respect for all parties (I do have permission from the person who wrote this). No doubt at least one DZ.com regular will recall the conversation, I hope they chime in. Thanks to ________ for allowing me to publish the email.

False. Google "2:2 pulldown." Yes, you can have 23Psf, 24Psf, 30Psf, 25Psf, even 60PsF (although it's never been done in broadcast, can't be with current equipment). You might want to read either my elementary-level book, or Poynton's PhD-level book on the subject of HD acquisition. It's a long topic, but suffice it to say that 2:2 pulldown is one of the many answers to progressive acquisition/delivery today. PsF interestingly enough, is the first cross-platform standard in the film/broadcast industry, and is one of the fundamentals of Rec ITU BT- 709. Brendan, I came back to this thread to point you to: this piece of video which is even better than what Fordham did. Ray Schlogel is producing a film with this camera now, and I've been hired to consult on post-pro. So far, what we're coming up with is killer sweet. LOTS of postwork, but gorgeous.

Search gives us this Bad Monkey! Bill, I'm surprised that thread never got moved here.

I promised you I'd show you how we do this so fast...so here is an excerpt of how we're doing this as fast as we do.... Short excerpt from Tandem Videos Made Easy" with Chris Warnock.