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Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. He'll fit in just fine in China, don't you think? No, more like Europe. Sorry for you but Nazi Germany is now a descent place, perhaps with your exclusivity and hate you would make a good Muslim extremist.

Better look at that budget again... as stated above, welfare is the largest part. Where did I say that they were not. Imagine that, using tax dollars to help people - what a watse - isn't there a war that we can fight to do more good? The rate of taxes we use to pay for services and teh ultimate svs rendered are far lower here than other indust countries.

Our tax rate and rate of welfare spending is way lower than most, if not all other developed countries, Our military spending is greater than teh rest of the world counting the war hobby spending. So? And you were whining at our taxes, yet we pay the least and have the least services of indust countries.

People commonly refer to welfare for example as an entitlement program because it is funded by the taxpayer and not necessarily by the recipient. SS and Medicare are (supposed to be) funded by the recipient and their employer. I wouldn't put SS and Medicare benefits in the same category as welfare. I don't know if the phrase 'entitlement program' was started as a derogatory term though. OH, I SEE, and the employer VOLUNTARILY pays into these, right? rIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIght. Unemployment insurance is welfare, as the employer is forced to buy it. You can call it a cost of doing business, but the truth is that so are taxes that go to pay for welfare. Are you too blind to see that there are several types of welfare and everyone seems to scoff at the recipients below them? Of course not, stay in denial.

Doc, Spare yourself, he's pissed and assumes a lot. He's already criticized my religion (which has nothing to do with the topic at hand) and has made assumptions about my beliefs in Darwinism. I'm not pissed. Pissed is you thinking a poor person might get free medical care. And some wonder why I think evility comes from the church / religion / Christianity. Darwinsim - survival of the fittest / natural selection, etc..... that i what you advocate in regard to medical coverage - san't afford it, don't get it. Can you disagree with that?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have stated that changes do need to be made. And that there are big issues with health care. That's fluf and bullshit, as with, "It's not a perfect system, bla, bla,..... that politicians evasion type games. What I say is the problem is that not everyone has it, let provide basic coverage and figure a place to cut corners as with military costs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-I have mentioned that I have a LESS than exclusive patient population Altho I have brought you into this for fun, it's not about you or me at all, it';s about the system. You may, as you get older, look back and realize that the system is Nazi, hell, even the nazis had socialized meds, so it's sub-Nazi. That Id - Ego - Superego thing might catch up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>- I have gone to foreign countries to help with medical care. And then come back here to advocate the denial of your own citizenry? Let me guess your party affiliation....hmmmmm.....tough one. Quit with the conscience thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How do you get that I want medical care to be exclusive? You don;t want those to receive it unless they can pay for it; haven't you been following this thread? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If this level of reading comprehension is the result of government sponsored education.... I'm scared what government sponsored medical care would do. Don't worry, you can pick up the comprehension as we go.

Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. I want all to have insurance and I'm self-righteous? Priceless. What we do know is that is that you want health coverage to be exclusive....draw your own opinions....

Dude... you have no idea what my salary is. Your self-rightous assumptions are getting old And WTH about the comment on my caring for humanity. You have no clue. You want medical care to be exlusive...... draw your own conclusions

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT.... my treatment of patients on a personal level has very little to do with what I want the government to mandate. Hmmm, not nothing, I think you answered my question. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Similar to the fact that I enjoy doing medical missions but would resent it if Peru said "America, you NEED to send doctors here to take care of us." Caring for our own and caring for other people of other countries are quite different to most normal people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Giving is one thing. Having it taken is another. It isn't mine, yours or anyone's, we have been a debtor nation for 170 years, uni care won't affect you a bit, but perhaps shave your elitist salary. Great to have docs care so much for humanity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>And caps on liability . . . . that's a whole different debate. Of course we want that to keeop the classes seperated.

Um, no, but next time you'rin chrch taling about loving your fellow man, pls stand up and say that there are limits, we can only love them until it comes to collectively caring for each other. If someone is going to die or is is disabled, etc and they don't have insurance, well, fuck em. Don;t worry, this will draw great applause, as most of your church-going contemporaries feel the same way. You never did say how much of your take-home pay you're sending in extra to support all those folks, being the great collectivist that you are - care to give us a number? I'm sending my tax dollars to your president so he can further the hate from the world to us and kill our young heros, etc... I'd love to have my taxes pay for the poor.

I disagree with mnealtx's assessment of your statement. I think you've proven instead that you think very little of the concept of private property. Some fat cat's bank account? You wish you were that fat cat, don't you? Honestly, where do you envious and spiteful types get the nerve to lay claim to someone else's money? I'm glad I'm not that pathetic sounding. Yo president has been stealing the cash from everyone's kids, grandkids, etc...... so apparently you agree with stealing cash.

yes obviously, if you want to consider your country great. eg. I understand the Tanzanian govornment can't go and pay for every citizen to go to the doctor. But the USA should be able to, if it want to be considerd the great country it makes itself out to be. Break your arm in my country and it will cost you absolutely nothing for the treatment, even if you are a tourist! no insrance nessescary. I was operated on within 8 hours of breaking my arm and that included a hour ride in a helecopter. The money is there for all this, but it could be doing the right thing or sitting an some fat cats bank account! And they get pissed when I call the US fascist POS. Can't wait to be the fuck outta here. Hillarious tho, the greedy cocksuckers here get theirs, they ae so foolish the garbage they elect ensures their cash is confederate

In your opinion, obviously. I personally think that healthcare is an INDIVIDUAL's responsibility. I'm even for a limited government role...though I don't think it's the government's *responsibility*. I think that the government can take on the role of providing a health "safety net" if the citizens decide that's what they'd like to do. It's altruism....not responsibility, imho. linz I bet you treat your paying patients like your non-payers. Hey Linz, let's shoot for Bush's liability cap so you can get rich and stay that way easier. Oh well, as long as you're practicing your, uh, love, that's all that matters

We pay less tax than most other countries. Uh, BTW, universal care would be HEAVILY DWARFED by your president's military. Since the war we've spent about 700B per year counting normal spending and war appropriations. Uni care would be what, 1/2 that? Try again...... 700B....enough is too much. No, it would be added into all the OTHER welfare spending that is the largest part of the budget... Our tax rate and rate of welfare spending is way lower than most, if not all other developed countries, Our military spending is greater than teh rest of the world counting the war hobby spending.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, a non-self-centered person wouldn't "want" anything! "Want" is a selfish thing. A selfish person would fight for that. Wrong. It's ok to want, but to want way more for yourself and act as if you have special priv is greedy. Non-self-centered people want a fair distribution for all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At a minimum, "selflessness" is doing with yours and not with that of others. So, again, how many families are you paying health care for? Yes, including your own. Selfishness is telling others to do what you won't do yourself. Selfishness is also self-anointing. We've been a debtor nation for at least 170 years, no one is paying for anyone, we havebeen in the cards for almost 2 centuries. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are selfishness defined. And, it's no insult. There's nothing wrong with that. The only thing wrong is insisting that you are not. To want kids to have coverage for starters establishes I'm not selfish, as I don't have kids. o want all to have coverage isn't selfish either, but to want med ins to be exclusive, for those who have it, is selfish comming from those who do have it.

I would have sworn English is not your first language. Why would you claim that?

What part of "I don't owe you a fucking thing" is difficult for you to understand? What part of, please get cancer and be denied by your HMO don't you understand?

Um, no, but next time you'rin chrch taling about loving your fellow man, pls stand up and say that there are limits, we can only love them until it comes to collectively caring for each other. If someone is going to die or is is disabled, etc and they don't have insurance, well, fuck em. Don;t worry, this will draw great applause, as most of your church-going contemporaries feel the same way.

Heading the charge of elitism are a doctor and a lawyer...... you'll have to excuse me if I'm just a shade less than totally shocked. I hear North Korea is nice this time of year, plus they have that socialist system you have such a raging hard-on for... Why is it that R's have to go to Asia or Africa to find worse places? Let's talk Europe, esp Scandinavia.

You obviously don't know me at all and that's fine with me. Assume what you want. You seem like a very angry and unhappy person. I'll keep you in my prayers. Perhaps things will get better for you. My assertion stands,you want Darwinsim in the streets, not in schools or in the church...... that's hypocrisy. Hmmmmmm, and I thought Jesus wanted us to help our fellow man. Guess not....damn Jebus

GOOD! Yeah, lemme call George's cell, I'll get that taken care of. Don't chase sunk costs, and don't use it as an excuse to get your prostate exam or Viagra paid for by me... So you agree that military expenditures are the real problem. Me too. Tell me, how is it so bad that countries have uni care, the same ones that are kicking our dollar in the ass? No one has yet to answer that one.

You are right. And there is one of the problems. I think the job of the federal governemnt is to focus on a society and look at the big picture. However, we live in a very individualistic culture, and we do not care as a mass about the "health" of the society, but are rather concerned about "me, me, me." We need to look at solutions that find a good medium between how individuals benefit, and the long term benefit to the society. And if all fails, we need to simply get together and have one big cook out (I'll do the pork shuolders) Not to parrot the dickheads, of course not the sweethearts here, but, let's say other dickheads advocating you to move, perhaps you should. I want to and I'm a born American. It won't change, let the selfish scum work itself out here and either implode or fix itself. I'd love to watch from afar as it does either. Then I could post that I did move . I will someday, hopefully in the next 5 years. See ya! Sell me your guns for $1/ea. before you go! And that dollar will yield me 15 or 20 cents to where I might go....lovely

Heading the charge of elitism are a doctor and a lawyer...... you'll have to excuse me if I'm just a shade less than totally shocked.

With a pocket full of shells.......

No...We've all got a certain level of benefit. We're not here to foot every bill for everyone. It has to stop somewhere, or we'll have an 80%+ tax burden. 80%? Get a clue