Lucky...

So you're now trying to save the same creatures who made this world such a miserable place for you to live in? I would think that thinning the herd would be the solution. So you're advocating killing homeless people? WTF? And how do homeless make the world misserable?

What a huge waste of money. You could be buying some poor family some steak. Or, better yet, I could be a total POS and aim at a living creature rather than to aim at targets or plain nothing.

there may be some truth to that. last season i killed a deer that was in the middle of a river still alaive but had been shot first by another hunter. the deer was 1 1/2 years old and does taste gamey. my buddy's deer was 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 years old but was killed, skinned, quartered, and in ice water very quickly and happens to be the best deer that i've ever tasted. Well at least we have our priorities in order, who gives a fuck about the suffering YOU cause.

these statements really show how little you know about the animals that we hunt. That was a general reiteration of Amazon's post. Whales and dolphins deserve not be hunted, as you can look into their eyes and see how intelligent they are, and deer are not like that, hence fuck em. That really fits the definition of, "speciesist" that I posted. I understand that killing defenseless animals is like religion and most things; your parents pass along these values. We think that we make these decisions on our own, but in most cases they are environmentally programmed into us either genetically or environmentally. Let me guess, your father.family hunted and my mom is a vegan. I'm agnostic, my mom leans more toward atheism. So it's nit an exact science, but it's rare to find attributes that are constantly different from parent to child, so long as that parent physically raised that child. Let me guess, yur dad instilled ideals in you that made you believe you were doing a favor to the animals you put a bullet thru? Mine made it abhorrent. Who's right? I dunno, I can sleep at night, somehow you can too.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Human settlements (cities) create the unnatural imbalance by driving out natural predators. Hunters help bring that balance back. Yes and no, respectively. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm originally from Missouri, a state where a lot of people (successfully) hunt deer every year, with a combined harvest of about 300,000 deer annually. Right now the state conservation department estimates that the whitetail deer population is larger than it has *ever* been. Assuming you're right, and you probably are as you seem to carry a lot of crdibility in the way you post/cite, if people quit hunting in a given year, there would be a boom/bust cycle. As well, there are 2 types of hunting, legal/organized and illgal. Illegal hunting is wiping out populations and even species altogether. Regardless of the impact on a given population of animals, it is cruel. I hope you take no insult to ths general statement, but I think there's something wrong with a peson's mental state if they need to kill an animal, considering we're only selective omnivores. We can live w/o meat, can we live w/o veggies/fruit? Of course not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Unmanaged hunting *can* be detrimental to wildlife populations. However, with careful management, hunting can be quite beneficial. Leaving them alone is more beneficial. And for the god believers who also hunt, I have to believe that god" would not approve of selective omnivoirism of his/her little creatures. Perhaps his/her goal would be to hope that species that were designed to not eat meat would live in harmony. This might open up a whole new area of this issue, but many people do live w/o any animal products, many more w/o meat and are easily as healthy, generally more healthy. Even if a person eats fish, as with the Asians, they tend to live much longer and be healthier. Conversely, the Fat ass red meat-eating American might go 60 if he/she is lucky.

As soon as they can make a rational decision and vote.. I will think about it... I do assign different values to different species..I believe its horribly wrong to kill cetaceans... I have seen them up close and very personal... and when you look in their eyes you can tell there is indeed a sentient being there. Other animals.... not so much...and no there is no hypocrisy there at all. just reality based upon what nature is on this planet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As soon as they can make a rational decision and vote.. I will think about it... Now you're making sense, .... so are going hunting for retarded people this year? Better get you license before they run out - very popular. The time of year I prefer over retarded season is the infant season, as you can bag more in less time. Get it? Your criterion: Retarded people and infants can't make rational decisions or vote, so they are like, according to you, animals. Your criterion, not mine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do assign different values to different species Well that's a relief, or you would be blowing a bullet thru the heads of humans in the name of food. That gross on several levels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I do assign different values to different species..I believe its horribly wrong to kill cetaceans... I have seen them up close and very personal... and when you look in their eyes you can tell there is indeed a sentient being there. But a deer is just a stupid SOB, right? Briliant. I guess that's what it takes to soothe one's conscience for breaking up a family of creatures. Hey here's a thought, you are so hell-bent on killing these animals so they don't have to starve, what if you kill a mother who is collecting food for her young, she leaves the den, nest, whatever to collect food, you cap her ass, she doesn't return and her young all die. See, you are a fucking humanitarian; you killed several in one fell swoop! I digress. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Other animals.... not so much...and no there is no hypocrisy there at all. just reality based upon what nature is on this planet. That's YOUR opinion based on your thirst to kill that animal. Even using your flawed logic, you're saying that due to less intelligence as viewed thru eyes, there is less right to live. Again, we are back at killing retarded people - I just can't disagree with your logic any more. I fully understand you realize youa re killing a living viable creature andthere is a lot of guilt that accompanies that, so you have to defer to rationalization to live with that. Murderers, pedophiles and many others use the same survival tactics. Sociopaths, however, have little to no conscience so they don't have to rationalize.

Lucky MOST of those departments have quite a few biologists on staff to make recomendations based on numbers... carrying capacity of the winter grazing areas etc....in allowing for seasons.. harvest numbers etc. They do not make decisons based on la la land propoganda but on FACTS. to keep the availible herds thinned to a point to prevent disease and starvation in the herd. Same thing goes with the amounts of fish allowed escapement so there are viable numbers to breed the next generation. Soon after the mate.. and lay the eggs and fertilize them in the stream beds the adults.... ALL die off. Get the facts lucky...it make ya look better in these arguements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Get the facts lucky...it make ya look better in these arguements. You have yet to post any facts, just your opinion. Saying the game and fish are about fair treatment of animals is like saying the cops are about fair treatment of all people......as they dump a quad out of a wheelchair Post objective facts if claim them so and quit comming off as a Repub by posting opinion labeled as fact.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. guilty.. nope not one bit. Giving animals human characteristics... tsk tsk tsk... ACTUALLY they have their own characteristics....and its their nature. http://www.answers.com/topic/anthropomorphism?cat=health Anthropomorphism can refer to the representation of the gods in human form or, more generally, to the attribution of human characteristics to animals or to inanimate objects. In both cases it can be seen as a statement of human superiority — everything else that there is must be just like us — or as an attempt to understand that to which we have no direct cognitive access, by imagining it to behave just like us. Your pseudo-guilt is showing via your continual, "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. " and "tsk tsk tsk... " Sorry, quit doing ba things to helpless creatures and perhaps it will subside in time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. guilty.. nope not one bit. I was thinking you had a conscience, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Giving animals human characteristics... tsk tsk tsk... That's an erroneous and VERY simplistic version of the way I look at animals in relation to human animals. I don't personify them or think they have human characteristics, I think they have their own unique characteristics and should have equal rights to survive. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACTUALLY they have their own characteristics....and its their nature. Of course they do, but they also have a social network, hence the term, "pecking order." That is actually found in every social network of humans as well. I don't morph an animal's characteristics to ours, I respect their differences and their right to live, something you don't think is needed. What you do is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism _____________________________________________________________ Speciesism is: Speciesism involves assigning different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership. The term was coined by British psychologist Richard D. Ryder in 1973 to denote a prejudice based on morally irrelevant physical differences.[1] The concept of speciesism is used mostly by advocates of animal rights, who believe that it is irrational or morally wrong to regard sentient beings as objects or property. Philosophers Tom Regan and Peter Singer have both argued against the human tendency to exhibit speciesism. Regan argues that all animals have inherent rights and that we cannot assign them a lesser value because of a perceived lack of rationality, while assigning a higher value to infants and the mentally impaired solely on the grounds of being members of a certain species. Singer's philosophical arguments against speciesism are based on the principle of equal consideration of interests. __________________________________________________________ So we have, equal consideration of interests. What a concept: equality, the very thing you harp about for races, classes, etc. I guess some things are selective. I would suggest you quit clammering about the classism and inequality from some of the Republicans on here then; you really risk looking like a hypocrite.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TSK TSK TSK.. perhaps reading some information on state department of game website MIGHT educate you to some reality instead of looking at the touchy feely all fuzzy wuzzy websites... Now that is the fucking pot calling the kettle black. You are the liberal beacon on here, now you have the opportunity to call someone liberal? Trust me, all the conservatives here just crapped their pants and will save that post for future use. Game and fish? A gov agency....MMhhh, I choose to listen to biologists and the sort, you know, those with PhD's and publishing journals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Humans unbalanced nature LONG ago Right, so let's fuck it all the way up. Yu know, we trashed the debt long ago, fuck it, let's keep doing it. Your logic is not consistent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here in WA we have massive die offs periodically because there are too many deer in given areas. Nature fixes itself and will have minor boom and bust cycles. Humans are the X factor that fuck up nature; care to disagree with PhD's? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They starve to death becaus ethey cant get thru the deep snow to get to food.. Lost humans are the same huh? So let's shoot them too Hey, here's a clue, help them. I'm sure you've seen those horrible shows where deer have fallen thru the ice and some bastard human goes and risks his life to save it. Tha mutherfucker, he should just tie a rope around and shoot the god damned thing, do it a favor then eat it. We need more humanitarians like you. The nerve, helping the animal out..... bastard . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Personally.. a quick bullet is far kinder to months of starvation thru a really bad winter... Well, maybe we shoukd use that philosophy for homeless people in fall Fucking brilliant.

I think she said she was not a fan of porn

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PSST hate to tell you this but Bambi grew up to be a HUGE BUCK...not a her Psst, I know nothing of kids movies, never have. Same applies, Bambi, as a metaphor for all animals, appreciaes the bullet thru the heart/head/wherever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Uh if you knew how we hunted you would not be able to make such unsubstantiated claims.. Well explain it then. Do you coax these animals into dying for you? Perhaps use some car salesman tactics on them. Why so defensive? Oh yea, you actually feel guilty. Perhaps that's a good thing, I do believe you have a conscience and will think about the family you possibly split up next time you shoot another creature. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Overall I can hunt locally and fish locally and based on what similar items cost in the specialty markets.. I make out like a bandit.. Not that I believe that, but let's say it's true; THAT MAKES ONE OF YOU. (the other one didn't fare so well) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh and I have a HUGE 4x4 diesel truck... OMG... ( checking crotch.. ) I dont have a penis... oh the horror.. Are you sure? Check again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AS far as predators and prey it is violent and vicious.. When I shoot a deer or elk I shoot them in the head.. EVERYTIME.. so as not to spoil any meat..its quick and fast...not shooting them thru the heart... Yea, didn't Malvo and the other serial killer use the same MO? I think Bekowitz (Son of Sam) used the same logic too. You know, you have ome things in common with celebrities, can I have your autograph? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... or as some of your precious wolves or bear or mountain lion who rip them to shreds while they are still alive ripping out their throat.....tearing at them... Well, yea, the wolve's Mossberg is always in the shop and their credit cards are maxed, so they have to resort to that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Real life in nature is far different from some fantasy world in which most people who are against hunting seem to live in. I don't live in any fantasy world, I read, observe and draw conclusions. We have decided to seperate ourselves from nature until we want to go kill it from time to time. Truth is, humans fuck with nature, then nature is still able to fix itself in spite of that.

If you knew what chickens eat, that would seem tasty by comparison.

Cleanly killed, and properly cleaned and processed venison/elk tastes far better than even the best meats I can get in a grocery store. I don't eat meat with every meal, or even every day, but I don't believe there is anything wrong with eating meat in moderation. And, as Amazon pointed out, hunters play an important role in maintaining healthy wildlife populations. I'm thankful for the ones that have, from time to time, stocked my freezer with a tastier, healthier source of protein. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleanly killed, and properly cleaned and processed venison/elk tastes far better than even the best meats I can get in a grocery store. W/o a doubt, the taste is different/better. No one has yet to claim that but you, here comes the bandwagon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't eat meat with every meal, or even every day, but I don't believe there is anything wrong with eating meat in moderation. Healthwise, probably not, as for being humane, I think so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>And, as Amazon pointed out, hunters play an important role in maintaining healthy wildlife populations. Now that is totally wrong. Hunting creates such an imbalance in the equalibrium of species that it is absurd to claim otherwise.

Someone ends up with their asshole mounted to their stomache, you wonder how they do a lot of things, sex being the most awkward.

We're counting on you to get us that free health care. Well then quit voting Nazi...... don't count on me, I'm doing all I can; I'm counting on you to quit voting Nazi.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hehehe that is a good one Yea, I have another good one I think you'll like, it's about this thing called the Halocaust......

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Remember, he killed it, just to kill it. Absolutely.....pure idiocy. If I ate it, it would still be as dead for no good reason. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That is what lucky considered sporting and what he thinks everyone else is like. When it costs several times as much to kill it as it costs to buy it, then the motivation has to be outside the food. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Emptied a clip? What did he do strip them off by hand? A Ruger 10-22 is a rifle that has a plastic clip. It's a semi-auto, so perhaps I just pulled the trigger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe the squirrel was taunting him for being a lousy shot. 10 feet away and you missed, and you say you were in the military? I'd never been an ahole that kills animals and was quite surprised that he approached me. Retrospecting in years later, I concluded that he was chiding me for killing a mate/friend important to him/her. I'm seriously not expecting YOU to understand, just noting a time when I was young w/o a conscience..... sad thing is now I see some have failed to grow one. As for a good shot, never been one. I mostly like what they call assualt weapons, still trying to find a non-assault weapon. I don;t shoot for accuracy, I shoot for fun and never at any living thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Most of the people I know who hunt and fish do it for the food . I know, and Republicans want people to be personally resonsible when they deny healthcare, Iraq war-mongers want to fight it there rather than here, bla, bla, bla.... Explain how hunting for so-called food is that when it costs more? It's hunting for sport. I guess hunting could be compared to driving a 4 wheel drive; it's compensation for having a small dick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. and I would not nor have I ever.... wasted an animal I have killed. I'm thinking you wasted them as you pulled the trigger, or whatever means u used to waste them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think that is morally repugnant for those who do. I think it is, well, morally is too close to a biblical word, but it is ethically and humanely miserable to kill little animals in the wild for whatever prupose. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I respect the animal that is becoming a part of me.. sustaining me. Respect the animal you just shoved a bullet thru? As for becoming a part of you, that is sickly what Dahmer said as to the victims he ate; he only ate the ones he like as he wanted them to be a part of him...... hmmmm, I guess hunters have a little Dahmer in them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ever seen Bambi after he has starved to death because not enough hunters were successfull and not enough natural predators are left to maintain the balance in a hard winter??? So which is it, if the hunters kill the predators they leave the prey to run to great numbers, then they eat all the food and then starve. If teh hunters kill all the prey, the carnivorous animals die and the vegetation grows wild, then the prey eats the massive vegetation, then the predators run large numbers, then the prey dwindles, etc..... So if you were to understand the basics of a BOOM AND BUST CYCLE you would perhaps understand the absurdity of what you wrote. Humans fuck it all up, nature fixes it. BTW, Bambi thanks you for driving a bullet thru her heart.....owes her life to you

How Very compassionate...but perhaps Jesus still loves you By the way.. did you eat the squirrel that you killed? I have no compassion for people who kill animals if they are of the age and competency to understand what they are doing and the pain they are causing. No, I, like most people who kill animals, killed it for sport. These hunters kill for sport, they hide behind the facade of killing for food, but it costs more to travel to a location, kill, clean, haul back than it would to buy in a store, not that that's much less cruel. As for Jesus, I believe in that myth as much as you do. Don't bring fantasy into a serious thing like killing small, defenseless little creatures of nature. I love nature, love animals, not just pets....

all i see of the rabbits i've been getting lately is there ass as thy try to outrun my shotgun, but i do get to see their cute, cuddly little faces as i am skinning them when i get them back home. i save their hides as well so i can tan them and pet them for many years to come. Think of it this way, if you had some crazed madman after you and your family, you had no gun, he did. All you want is to live and be left alone. Hell, life is hard enough with work and daily struggles and to have someone trying to wipe you out....well, I guess that's some people's definition of.....humanity. I recall once when I was an 18yo asshole that I thought it was cool to kill animals. I didn't think this up on my own, but the guys I hung out with in the military did so and I thought I would hang with them. I bought a ruger 10-22 and we went out. I saw a bunch of squirrels so I shot at 1 on a log. I hit it and it fell over. It's mate/friend ran up to me an dstarted chirping real loudly, it was probably 10 feet away. I emptied my clip and missed it, then it ran off. Do you want to tell me that that squirrel had no love, affection, etc for whatever relation it was to squirrel I killed? To run up to something 200 times larger and basically yell at me for doing that meant that I drew some real emotion, but of course dumb animals don't have emotions, right? I feel like shit for doing what I did and don't forgive myself, but I was young and stupid, in the ID stage rather than the EGO or SUPEREGO. As we grow older we are supposed to grow more compassionate to all organisms....some don;t figure it out. I can't say what I feel about adults 30's+ who kill these animals and yet stay on this forum, but I will say that I cheer when these people get colon cancer, hardened arteries, mad cow, etc.

Yep, and I'll sleep soundly. Probably have bacon as part of my breakfast, probably with eggs and pork & beans. Yum! Awesome!!! Prostate cancer is closer every steak. Meh, no one lives forever. You could help yourself with some 50 caliber aspirin... Sure, and I have a 50 cal asprin gun....wanna come check it out?

what percentage of socialists are criminals? Oops!! Criminal sociologists. At the same time, most crinimals are capitalists

They usually accept them until the end is near, as with Lyle Alzedo with his steroid use and subsequent brain cancer..... then they cry like school girls with regret.

It's so much more interesting for the readers if you post the statemen, question, etc that you are responding to.

OK and that's in response to?????? OH master of ambiguity. Or...... I guess my work is successful