Lucky...

Mother nature wins every time, Jebus and the other nutty religions are just here to distract the gullable.

Wrongo... about 150k die every day, the number of born WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outnumber the attrition rate.

W/o a doubt. We need more babbies for Jebus tho. Wait till we hit carrying capacity, that will bethe wakeup because we're too stupid to control our own population, but we'll control other animal's population. Carrying cap is supposed to be around 9.5B, and I think it's more like 2025 that we hit that, last I checked they revised the date sooner than 2050. It will be interesting when I'm old, if I make it.

You're just proving his point. Please, continue. And you're just cheerleading and/or adding nothing important. Repubs don't care about people in need, is that rerally up for consideration? Or is it that the Rpubs want to pave the way so once the indigent become millionaires then they will have a low tax base from which to operate?

Only to the extent that they have given the country to the corporations and the Republicans have done most of that. But again, your side, Republicans own most of this mess so you want to share the wealth. The country was in OK shape in 1981 at 900B debt, then Reagan and GWB along with the Republican Congress has run it up to 12T, the only break was GHWB and Clinton and the congress from 89-94 when taxes were raised and things were repaired. So tell me what and when the Dems own much of this mess and please cite specifics.

To have the vile hatred toward poor people to want to deny them basic social svs under the guise of fairness requires the formation of mens rea, hence they cannot be autistic. If they were they would have an excuse for their depraved sense of humainity. Speaking of not being able to see another's perspective... Speaking of continual and meaningless 1-liners.... I'm just saying Republicans are not autistic, they are able o formulate the kind of schemes that they do, they are of competent mind. No what you said was Republicans have vile hatred toward poor people because they don't agree with you and your desire for social services which means you cannot see their point of view making my one liner rather meaningful. I never said that they possess vile hatred because they cannot see it my way, I said they have vile hatred for people because they don't have simple compassion for poor people. We can expand that to mean young, struggling families and a littany of other groups.

Why wouldn't the corporations just pass along the tax hikes making everything more expensive? What would keep healthcare costs from continuing to increase? There will be limits and cost controls for various operations/claims. Mostly, there will be reasonable caps, so jacking up costs won't help. While everyone is going out of business, the medical field is still doing well.

So what if I already have insurance? Do my taxes still go up anyway? I've proposed this before; spending and taxation have no relationship other than bond measures. - Reagan raised spending and cut taxes - GHWB cut spending and raised taxes - Clinton cut spending and raised taxes - GWB raised spending and cut taxes. If anything, there is an inverse relationship between taxes and spending. And as well, I'm SURE massive overspending on the military as we now have is no problem. And if they do decide to put a tax increase in the HC Bill for people who hold real high-dollar insurance policies, that's a tax on the rich, they should get used to it as they are going to be raining in regardless of the HC Bill. Just as Clinton had 3 major goals, if not more, uni-care, education availability and raise taxes on the rich. He did 2 of 3 regardless of the others. YOU will not be taxed 1 penny for the HC Bill and you may at one time be advantaged by it.

To have the vile hatred toward poor people to want to deny them basic social svs under the guise of fairness requires the formation of mens rea, hence they cannot be autistic. If they were they would have an excuse for their depraved sense of humainity. Speaking of not being able to see another's perspective... +1 From 1-liner to 2 characters. Cheerleader points noted.

To have the vile hatred toward poor people to want to deny them basic social svs under the guise of fairness requires the formation of mens rea, hence they cannot be autistic. If they were they would have an excuse for their depraved sense of humainity. Speaking of not being able to see another's perspective... Speaking of continual and meaningless 1-liners.... I'm just saying Republicans are not autistic, they are able o formulate the kind of schemes that they do, they are of competent mind.

I see, the entire mess started with Reagan jacking the debt from 900B to 5.5T by slashing taxes and overspending before GHWB and Clinton could tax us back into order, of course we were at 5.5T by then. Then GWB and the predominantly Republican Congress slashes taxes and overspends to double that mess and excuseme how is that the Dem's fault? The best congressional years were from 89 to 94 whne those horrible tax increases and spending cuts were undertaken, so again, how is this the fault of the Dems?

Estimates aren't objective data. Objetive means there is no slant, what you mean to say is that some of the financial data is an estimate, so it isn't reliable, has 0 to do with the bias that goes into interpreting the data. Now, which data is an estimate? And whatever data you claim is an estimate, how is it off and or far off?

Even tho Switzerland is in W Europe, they are similar to the US in ways. But they still are W Europe, so they are more social, hence they would be quicker to jump on the socialist bandwagon if the country went that way. But we're the US and we're not pro-social, so there is a much stronger hold on anto-social programs and these guys will hang on to the bitter end. Ever go to the south and hear the kooks ramble about the civil war? You'd think it was still ongoing. Or as Bush puts it, don't misunderestimate the party. They don't operate off of a protocol of intelligence tho, ever listen to them? They operate off of intimidation, a very linear, unwavering set of principles that either you completely follow and be with them, or stray 1% and be against them. Logically true, but they just don't operate like that. They just lost the last 2 elecctions and are more resolute than ever before, rather than learning from it, they are drifting even further right. Look at Senator Arlen Specter, the party was going too nuts for him so he bailed, but show me other Republicans considering that. They simply operate off of a protocol that is unusual and then defend it with flip-flop rhetoric when asked why they don't change / evolve.

To have the vile hatred toward poor people to want to deny them basic social svs under the guise of fairness requires the formation of mens rea, hence they cannot be autistic. If they were they would have an excuse for their depraved sense of humainity.

I predict that the Republican Party, even with opposition to Single Payer Health Care, will eventually see that this IS GOING TO HAPPEN, regardless of their position - at which time, they will jump on board, write a bill, pass it then claim that THEY were the ones that brought it to the American Public.... Reasonable theory, but I think they will fight it, it will pass, at least some form of it, and they will look for the flaws and exaggerate all the harm of the Democrat-sponsored Bill/Law and use this as the basis forr their subsequent elections.

If you haven't worked, you will be one of the poor and will get healthcare provided. I never used my healthcare in 7 yrs. now. Cepting the 1000 dollar dentist bill (I had to pay half) in Jan. before it ran out. Givin the bastards, ah, roughly 84K and fuck me since Im outta work. Damned if ya do and damned if ya don't I guess. Guess I should be happy I didn't need it. And we'll all be happy if a guy in your position or in my position gets HC provided. This could take conservatives like you and make them reluctant liberals.

And some people bleed for the wealthy. No, jailing is for the compassionate conservatives, they can run teh contract for the prisons and make money. Multiple trillions over the next decade; any misinformation is good misinformation.

If you haven't worked, you will be one of the poor and will get healthcare provided.

I already stuck up for Mike - at this point, I was being playful with you, my friend but you are a bit somber Yea, whatever. Address the data or move along

Hennessey holds a B.S. in Mathematics and Political Science from Stanford University as well as a Master of Public Policy from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard.[1] The title of his Harvard public policy thesis was Unintended Consequences: Critical Assumptions in the Clinton Health Plan. Yep...just another stoopid Harvard Grad. Wait...where did BHO go to school? Yea....just not sure where I said he was stupid? Hmmmm, had you read what I wrote you would see that I made the claim that he is strongly biased. Of course you made no defense to that. He's a Bushy, why not use objective data? In fact, he didn't even provide sourced data, just his interpretation of the numbers. But of course you have to bring Obama into it and use the BHO; were you one of the Bush-lovers crying about the Bush chimp dialogue? Go find objective data or criticize my objective data.

Well, you're quite the cut-n-paster lately, aren't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Hennessey I can't think of a more objective source. Perhaps now he (Keith Hennessy) can direct us on his thoughts on gay marriage, mandatory religion in schools and tell us how the ruch are being stripped in this 94th country in distribution of wealth. Please guys, keep it up, I want a bigger cushion in congress. No real citation other than the word of a hardcore Republican. __________________________________________________ http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml Here's an objective site. - Several studies estimate the number of uninsured Americans. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, their latest data available.1 - The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, using the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) estimated that the percentage of uninsured Americans under age 65 represented 27 percent of the population. According to the MEPS data, nearly 54 million Americans under the age of 65 were uninsured in the first-half of 2007. - A recent study shows that based on the effects of the recession alone (not job loss), it is projected that nearly seven (7) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage between 2008 and 2010. 3 Urban Institute researchers estimate that if unemployment reaches 10 percent, another six (6) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage. Taking these numbers together, it is conceivable that by next year, 57 to 60 million Americans will be uninsured. - The Urban Institute estimates that under a worse case scenario, 66 million Americans will be uninsured by 2019. - Nearly 90 million people – about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2007 or 2008 without health coverage. There are objective number for you; how can you post that neo-con rhetoric with a straigh face (assuming you had a straight face)?

WHAT, NO RESPONSE? http://www.associatedcontent.com/...es_in_the_world.html The US didn't make the top 5. I saw other lists that didn't seem real reliable, so I didn't post, but the US was no where on them. It never will, so the best policy is to remove motive from terrorists to target you. Or, I dunno, could bethat we stick our big noses in their business per se. The concept will never go away, the actual good this concept does is unproven by the continual attacks on us. Fixed it for ya. Which is why we're in it. I know, and that Clinton guy, the nerve to eliminate the deficit and cut the debt increase to virtually 0. So when you say previous admins, you must mean Reagan and GWB. Yea, the other Socialist, Clinton, had the never to cut spending and raise taxes so I guess we want a revitalization of that and a departure from noe-con economics that got us hre. They've already awoken, did you miss the last 2 elections? Right, the problem is that these protestors are people who voted for Bush.

Really? Wow, I consider #92 not so good. http://skeptically.org/economics/id21.html Agreed, but since corporations run the country, politicians are affraid to buck them. Well_it_does_balance_the_scales_a_little_bit. So the quality of life win't be better after HC reform? Going to the doctor is overrated. Capitalism has "allowed" teh innovation of all kinds of scams. American Capitalism is a giant ponzi scheme.

can you provide a link? Until then, I'll just have to dismiss it We wouldn't want that. http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. you expect me to give credence to an obviously socialistic agenda pushing website like that? It's completely unamerican - totally bogus - you can find all sorts of crap on the "internet" obviously since Al Gore invented it, it'll have a bunch of commie websites to let you indoctrinate the masses into your vision of ultimate crapulositicity I understand you're defending your brother for posting data with no source. Point taken, dismissed with the rest of people who just want me to believe their diddy, just as they did.