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We wouldn't have them on TV giving coerced apologies to the American people for 'violating our waters.' We wouldn't force them to write letters to their families and then post them on State TV (Fox News). I don't support any of the wrongs that may have been committed by the USA or British in the mideast, and neither do I accept the actions of Iran in this case. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Yeah, well had the Brits flown Iranian airliners into a few skyscrapers in Tehran, my bet is they would be dealing with much worse than hoods and shocks. And to those who would profess to know what these sailors are enduring - YOU KNOW NOTHING - SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is what I mean about ignorance. What the fuck does Iran have to do with 9-11? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I am saying that what the Brits stand accused of is quite different than what many terrorist detainees stand accused of. I am saying that they would be treated much more harshly had they actually DONE SOMETHING TO IRAN. I am staying that the treatment of a prisoner is often commensurate with the seriosuness of the crime. A thief gets a weekend in minimum security, and a murderer gets life in SuperMax. So, what I said was not ignorant at all. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

If it were me, I'd track his ass for miles and shoot him about 30 times in the groin. Revenge? Maybe. Then when I found out my wife screamed rape to avoid being caught cheating, she better hope I used all my ammo on the 'rapist'. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Yeah, well had the Brits flown Iranian airliners into a few skyscrapers in Tehran, my bet is they would be dealing with much worse than hoods and shocks. And to those who would profess to know what these sailors are enduring - YOU KNOW NOTHING - SO SHUT THE FUCK UP. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I'm not sure how comforting this will be, but you BOTH do. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I'd probably fight overwhelming odds rather than allow myself to be captured by them. The same goes for the insurgents in Iraq. When you know you will end up on the internet being beheaded with a butter knife, why not go down fighting? One thing is for certain - these people needed better suppor(air support or gunship support nearby)t, and much bigger guns. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

No problem. I find myself in an awkward position on this issue. Having been in the military, I want these people released or rescued. At the same time, I hate what the current administration has done to this country. We no longer have the moral highground on certain issues, and we have put our soldiers, and our allies soldiers at much greater risk. This is a good example of why I left the military. The idea of being the pawn on a moron's chess board was not appealing. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Historically, it's an anomaly. The USA has never condoned torture, or had an administration that tried to find a way to make it acceptable, until recently. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Really do you have an all seeing eye or do you use your psychic ability to see these things. You know your post basically describes your whole sides logic or lack of logic. Your logic is simply not based on logic it is based on feelings, and assumtions. You watched way too much 24 now you think you know “these people”. What was this kind of thinking called oh yea the truthiness (not the truth but what feels right to you). Bill made a blanket statement that the prisoners have not been harmed - which he has no way to know for sure. That is a fact, and that is all I was saying. The US is not the only country that tortures, although, unlike most countries, for the USA it is a new thing, and an anomoly, not a long and proud tradition. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Don't be so certain. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I think the Idiots are the ones who live in their little fantasyland. The ones who play with words. Kidnapping? If they were in Iranian waters it is not a kidnapping, They are members of a foreign nations military invading in to Iranian territory. They have every right to question them, and if they want to lower there standards to our level they can even torture them fuck we have. As for parading people on TV. Remember the pictures of Sadam in his underwear. I can surely remember a bunch of other times where we have shown people on our TVs even the dead. Most idiot closed minded DIM rednecks just happily cheered their victory maybe even had a shot of their favorite drink to celebrate the death and bloodshed. Either you are blind (which I bet to be the case) or only reading between the selected lines. We detain people indefinitely, we have tortured and murdered people. How about you take a good look at the shit we have done before you pass judgement on something that is not even clear yet. We were not invited to Iraq, Every pole says the people wants us out. The reason behind was proven to be false. The murder of the 54000+ people was unnecessary, and Iraq was not a haven for terrorism until we decided to force our views and guns on them. Enough is enough. These are not things you can argue their fact. Again another reminder for the geographically challenged. Iran is no where near us but we have traveled thousands of miles to sit out side their door with guns, missiles, and ect. I mean how blinded would you have to be to think Iran is trying to start a war. I believe history speaks for it self no one has been in as many wars as us. We have a lot of stupid people who are warmongers and unfortunately one of them has become the president of the US, and he has a lot of sheep that blindly follow. Wake up and buy your self a mirror. If you have a standard hold it for everyone If you don’t then simply you’re a hypocrite. Many on here are. I remember a dvd I watched about the war and war coverage. They showed a US troop explaining how he was so pissed when Aljazeer showed dead US soldiers on TV. Then he mentioned how we were showing dead people on TV all the time and he never had the same reaction. That experienced helped him realize how bias and blinded his views have become. It all great to wave flags and tie yellow ribbons around your house, but please when it comes to looking at a situation objectively those views and emotions need to be set aside. Yeah - remember all of those Al Qaeda members who were put on US TV saying that they were sorry for their crimes against America? Remember Saddam apologizing for gassing his own people? Remember the letters we published from the Gitmo prisoners to their families, explaining how they were wrong? Yeah. Thought so. The USA makes mistakes, but we are no fucking Iran, so give me a break. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I bet if they start being assholes GWB will suddenly remember how most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. We can turn in an instant on old friends. Just ask Saddam. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Where are you getting that information? I see it reported nowhere. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

That is correct. If you remember the Ayotolla sp? Homanie sp? was a crazy SOB. But the "Ayatollah Assahollah" T-shirts were sweet. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Like Pakistan, for instance? Unfortunately, the alternatives are frequently much worse than the dictator. With Musharraf gone, Pakistan becomes one very, very dangerous Islamic state. If it hypocrisy to support one dictator and condemn another? Maybe. But many times it's just the way it has to be in a complex world. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

No different from some of the previous posts talking about the Embassy hostage situation. Are you kidding me? A 444 day ordeal in the US Embassy in Iran where US diplomats were held hostage against international law and all accepted norms of diplomacy, and an accidental downing of an airliner in hostile territory are so different that your comparison is laughable. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I don't recall the USS Vincennes needing any air support while in Iranian waters. We targeted and killed how many civilians that time? Oh, Boo-Fucking-Hoo. I like how you are attempting to use an accident 20 years ago to justify Iran taking hostages (again) today. Well, that asshole in Iran IS a master hostage taker, I'll give him that. And yes, the US has made some pretty bad mistakes in Iran, but they are certainly no angels. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

As long as we're quoting Metallica: Don't Tread On Me Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail Once you provoke her, rattling of her tail Never begins it, never, but once engaged Never surrenders, showing the fangs of rage Don't tread on me So be it Threaten no more To secure peace is to prepare for war So be it Settle the score Touch me again for the words that you will hear evermore Don't tread on me I agree that Iran may feel cornered to a degree, but this is just cowardly behavior on their part. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

No. It seems to me, however, that they have a choice to make. Either send in enough troops and well armed/supported forces that can resist or avoid a capture like this, or get the hell out of the area. It is not responsible to put these people in harms way and curtail the ROE, and fail to provide support when needed. The British DO have RADAR, right? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

They are trained to do/say whatever it takes to get released. If the coalition wanted to violate Iranian waters, we could do so with impunity - send in some heavily armed cruisers with air support. Sending in a couple rubber rafts with a bunch of surrender monkeys on board just doesn't make sense if they were planning on entering hostile waters. Your argument is very, very weak. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I would have rounded up my buds and went down there for a little skull cracking. Afterwards, we would have had our laugh. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Iranians took the British troops hostage in Iraqi waters, and the British troops went peacefully along. The British were inspecting ships looking for weapons that Iran sends into Iraq to kill coalition troops and innocent Iraqis in markets and such. There is hypocrisy here, but it does not belong to me. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

You should have said "I'm also a hippy killer, asshole". I am for getting out of Iraq, but I would never tolerate that BS. I had the pleasure of returing from Gulf War I on the USS JFK, to the biggest victory homecoming since WWI. It's really unfortunate that our troops now are denied that kind of closure. Shit, I had the town fire company show up wanting to parade me around town with the sirens blaring like Santa Clause. I always swore that if someone spit on me or called me a 'baby killer', there would be a fight. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Imagine the outrage if US or British forces went into Iranian waters and took a few hostages. I can promise you one thing: the Iranians would shoot first and not go peacefully along. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Those carriers have been there for quite a while now. It's funny - One day after practicing an attack on Iran, they are releasing a female sailor. Seeing 100 fighter/bombers headed at your coastline must be a bit of a 'convincer'. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.