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the information is correct, the numbers are not. even UNRWA which is not exactly on israel's side has corrected its early reports which counted 180 buildings to less than 50: its a well known fact that they invent numbers early on to create a shock effect. thats what you remember afterwards, not that it was a lie... yes, that should not happen. even if armed terrorists take shelter behind civilians. there is no excuse for such mistakes. (btw, 90% of those killed, about 40, were armed terrorists, the rest were mostly in that demonstration) and as for using tanks, you can't imagine the amount of weapons and explosives hidden in gaza. even in that operation 2 APCs were blown up killing 10 or 11 soldiers (not to mention that their remains were taken as souveniers...) as for the tunnels, yes, only 3 were found in that operation, but you can add them to the dozens (can't find the exact number now) in the past three years. calculate how many weapons were smuggled before they were found, and add the fact that we know Iran and the Hezbollah are sending lots of weapons never seen in this conflict before. i won't argue that innocent palestinians also get hurt, sometimes without a good reason. but the majority of those hurt , get hurt for a good reason. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

you can stop the dramatic description of bulldozers destroying innocent homes. most of the homes destroyed are either of suicide bombers, or structures used for terrorist activity such as entry point for tunnels in gaza or explosives' labs. fighting inside civilian buildings is not an israeli choice, but if thats where terrorists are hiding thats israel will fight them. sure, innocent get hurt and they shouldn't. moreover, when they get hurt, the terror group grow stronger. but what would you do if someone was using a house as a bunker to shoot at you? and dont start with "pull out" or "learn to live in peace" because we've tried that already (which gave them time to get organized) and we'll try it again because we all know what the end agreement will be like. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

***My Dad was a senior journalist ... never trust anything you see in the media..." so you can't trust your dad ? O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

thats true with any news story. i see it a lot when the international media reports things from here. first, its a massacare, then its an incident, and after awhile it turns out to be a group of armed terrorists. they don't always "bother" to report these updates. if she's made it up (god knows why...) , she should be dealt with harshly. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

well there are no "established borders" but i agree, the route chosen mostly for security reasons is not the best. and it is being changed in some places based on the israeli supreme court's decision. and as for being a big issue, i really dont know. it seems to me there is nothing israel can do right. if we're in there stopping terror in the cities, its wrong. if we want to pull out, its wrong too. the only right thing is to do it with an agreement, but its hard to do so when there is no one serious to talk to... bottom line? the fence is a need, we'd be happy to save the billions it costs and use it for other things. as for the route, i would chose another in some places but i'm not familiar with all the aspects. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

yes and no. israel is believed to have had nukes since the early 60s and there were several wars after that. ofcourse, israel having nukes doesnt mean israel is using nukes (cant be sure of that about other countries though...) israel has signed a peace treaty with 2 of its neighbours and once iraq is not an issue, the only threat is Iran. but you're right, full scale nation war is not the issue now . sadly the "rules of war" by which the UN is trying to judge israel are not applicaple for guerilla warfare and terror where the enemy has no army with distinct uniform and when it is acting from within civilian population. not to mention the UN is hardly a balanced or fair organization... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

no one says its the answer. its a temporary measure to stop terror attacks, just like TSA checks in US airports. if there was no terror, there wouldn't have been a security fence. and when there will be no terror and normal peace talks could continue, there will be no need for it. its not a political line, its a security one and i still want to believe there will be 2 states with open borders (when only peaceful people want to come here...). O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

(1) most of the "wall" is a fence, no concrete at all. its only concrete where there is a risk of a direct line of fire (near a major road or town) would it stop an individual terrorist? maybe not. but it has reduced by almost 90% their ability to carry out attacks where it is built. (2) the "world court" as you called it had a problem with the barrier itself and refused to acknowledge israel's right to defend itself with such a barrier. not to mention that it had ignored the reasons for this barrier all together as if israel woke up one clear morning and thought "hey, wouldnt it be cool to build a barrier here...". the isreali supreme court ruled against the route in some places and work was stopped until a different route is found. i agree that in some places a different route should have been taken even if its not the best for security considerations. (3) and you think the egyptian or jordanian judges are any different? and you can say the same for the russian chinese or any of the rest. anyway, do you think a country who has no understanding on what it is like to live under a constant threat of terror has a right or a way to judge a country that is trying to defend itself ?(and whether you like it or not, the barrier is helping) O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

and that is when the problem is people crossing the border looking for a new, better life. i wonder how the border would look like if it were mexicans armed with explosives on their ways to blow up buses in L.A... and i wonder what would happen when the french would tell you that you can not protect yourselves. (just as an example, not implying anything about mexicans ) O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

no, its not. the thought that she might be jewish (even if by twisted logic) is what turned a group of robbers into a group of killers (yes, i know she wasnt killed, but when they cut her clothes and hair with knives and throw her kid on the floor, for me its the same.) don't assume they have your intelect. they've prooved their stupidity when they assumed she was jewish because she lives in a good neighbourhood. racism is usually based on ignorance anyway so i don't see why it is important whether they are "activists" or not. apparently to who? organized as in "lets go out and beat up some jews" ? probably not. but racial attacks are a result of education and atmosphere and that is the fault of both their leaders and of the authorities. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

i dont have a problem with political incorrectness every one likes to be around people who have a similar background, culture, education , etc. the question is, what do you do when there are others who are not exactly like you, do you "live and let live" or do you do things like described here ? i guess it depends on what kind of a person are you. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

you know what is even worse? if she was actually jewish, you probably wouldn't have heard about it at all (no big story in "hate crimes" as they are comfortably defined these days...) france has a a problem. although it had disengaged itself from north africa, it can not disengage north africa from itself. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

sadly no. not so good for israel. yes, this court is a joke. yes, it didn't even mention the reason for this fence (its only a wall where its near a major road), i.e terror. yes, its decision was clear from the start and most of the western world said its a political issue rather than legal. yes, it will be transferred to the UN where the arab world with its 52 votes will do whatever it want. yes, its absurd when judges from egypt, jordan russia china, etc. judge others on humanitarian issues. and yes to many other reasons because of which this court just lost its right of existance. but no, i dont see it as a good thing. not to israel and no to the world. mainly because there is one justice for strong countries and another for weaker. and to all of you who will jump and say: " and now the US will use its veto right to bail israel out" all i have to say is that this action is the only thing that leaves any shred of dignity in this institute... peace to all... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

i know they were planning one but i'm not sure its open yet. i think there is also one in jordan, and i know there are two in israel. all depends on how far are you willing to go O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

the full report below. the following happened on board a train outside paris, last friday. - a group of 5 men attack a young woman on a train and steal her purse. - going through her stuff, the find out she lives in an "expensive" district. - following their logic (didnt say they were smart) they conclude: "here are only Jews in the 16th,'' - The gang then pushed her and cut her hair ``to keep a souvenir,'' police said. The attackers opened her shirt, reportedly with a knife, before drawing swastikas on her stomach with a marking pen. The 13-month-old infant fell from its stroller in the melee. - no one on the train came to her rescue. i can't describe the way i feel when i read this story... i think france needs to take a good long look at the mirror and btw, not that it matters, she wasn't jewish. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

yeap. in El-Al for example (where there are air marshals since the 60's) they are even instructed not to be too "friendly" with the crew during flight, so it wont be visible that they know eachother. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

continuous , for go faster than the treshold. or as stated in the manual: yeap, great product. did an academic study on its UI aspects and beside very few minor details, it is perfect. o "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you... you can say the BBC tells facts (most of the times). but they tell their facts by telling a story. a story which represents a stand, by chosing terms, titles and order of events. the BBC is not my idea of a "honest" agency. O O O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

yeap, i got mine from them (and my pc-110 too) and i'll buy from them again when i need something. btw, how can i tell if its the US version or not? O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

does anyone know what is the frequency of the alarms in the pro- dytter ? i've tried emailing L&B but didnt get a response yet. another option, if you know of a website where i can enter a frequency and get the matching tone, i'll be able to try a few and find something close... thanks O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

thats good as long as there will be enough loads for us (non RW people) too... we'll be there 12th-22nd so it would be a cool thing to watch

now you're talking thanks O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

hmmm, maybe i should rephrase.... things that can actually be solved examples: "damn i need a way to get rid of these papers" --> shreder "i'm bored while i'm jogging" --> sony's walkman "damn, i'm lonely" --> porn etc. O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

well its on their website... and i'm not a big RW man, but we're bringing a few people with us that would be happy too... should you find what for me? aerograd? we'll find it, going to get the visas next week "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

right... i'm looking for the things that you go "damn, i should have thought of that..." O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."