DanG

Your Jeferson quote has absolutely nothig to do with the 2nd Amendment. Who's to decide what a "personal" weapon is or isn't? If the framers wanted that restriction in place, why didn't they say so? The language is quite plain, "the right to bear arms." Why are you trying to restrict that right? Why are your restrictions okay, but you'll rail all day about kallend's? - Dan G

My copy of the constitution must be faulty. It doesn't have the word "personal" between the words "bear" and "arms". I'll contact the printer immediately. - Dan G

Allow me to edit: Care to rebut with some evidence besides, "I said so?" - Dan G

Do you have information you can share with us on this? Wendy's provided some data that says you're mistaken. Care to rebut? - Dan G

Go back and read Wendy's post. Food stamps are not what you think they are. - Dan G

Well, your whole post was about how mean spirited and condescending the "liberals" are to the righteous righties. I'm just trying to point out that you seem to have no problem with mean spirited, nasty comments when they are from your side. If someone actually said that (I don't really read the gun threads too closely, they are all the same) then they are an asshole, too. - Dan G

Huh. When someone accused me of supporting genocide because I'm pro-animal rights, you didn't seem to have a problem with that. In fact, you blamed me for reacting to the statement at all. Double standard much? - Dan G

When you state I must be in favor of genocide because I'm in favor of animal right, then you are an asshole. That's just a fact. This started out semi-civilized, but you're clearly not interested in listening to the other sde, so I'm out. - Dan G

Cats and dogs are euthanized by intravenous injection. If you've ever had a pet put to sleep, you know it is a humane method. The same can't always be said for fur or meat animals. No, they only like it when the animal is allowed to live a decent life. That means not confined in a pen it can't turn around in, fed other dead animals, tortured by sadistic workers, and killed in a humane way. Yeah, like I said, the making something dead is not the real issue. WTF is your problem? Get a grip, asshole. Oh wait, so it's not really PETA you're against? It's the ALF? You really need to get a fucking clue. - Dan G

I assure you, euthanasia of cats and dogs is very, very much different than slaughterhouse operations. Animal right activists are generally not against killing animals for human use. They are against poor living conditions, unethical slaughter methods, and unnecessary cruelty. They believe that some businesses, such as the fur trade, are inherently unethical. As I said before, a killing is not a killing. Torturing an animal for its entire life and then killing it to get its skin is not the same as treating it with respect and then killing it humanely. The killing itself is not the main problem. Which underhanded tactics are you talking about now? How are a few readicals throwing paint on fur wearers undermining the American Meat Institute? We get it, you don't like PETA. If you could make a cogent argument maybe you'll convince more people to think like you. BTW, I don't support PETA's tactics in many areas. I don't donate money to them. I do, however, support their overall goal, which is promoting the ethical treatment of animals. - Dan G

What if you're aiming at the broad side of a barn on Earth? - Dan G

Never said they weren't. I just said I wasn't sure what you were talking about. Would you like to throw a Nazi reference in for good measure? - Dan G

PETA is an advocacy organization. I expect that they want the law changed. If you think a law is wrong, advocating to change it is the just thing to do. That's what PETA does. I'm not sure what property and business you are talking about, but if you think what they do is wrong, then you have every right to speak out about it. In fact, by attacking them, you're doing exactly what they're doing, you just have a different viewpoint. Given your view that all killing is the same, I can see how you think providing euthanasia services is in conflict with opposing animal cruelty and abuse. Most people can make the distinction quite easily. And you're faulting PETA for humanely killing unwanted pets while advocating against animal cruelty? I think your hypocrisy meter needs adjustment. - Dan G

Maybe you should try to relate what you are saying to the thread. Right now, it looks like you are saying that it doesn't matter how something ended up dead, only that it did. That's a ridiculous position, as has been pointed out. If your position is more nuanced, please educate us. - Dan G

Do you support the death penalty? How about abortion? Are soldier who kill in combat murderers?Are you in favor of making murder legal? Still think all killing is equal? - Dan G

For the same reason Ford doesn't build a shelter. They're not in the sheltering business. I'm pretty sure PETA spokespeople are volunteers. I could be wrong about this, but I doubt it. Please show me PETA protests of humane pet euthanasia. I'd love to see that. All killings are not equal. Seriously? What would you have them do with the euthanized cats, dogs, and other pets? Make purses out of them? You'd be on here faster than shit to criticize them for that. There are no US animal shelters use euthanized pets to make products. That would be a little sick, don't you think? - Dan G

How about this argument: What your hit piece failed to mention is that PETA doesn't run an animal shelter. They basically run a euthanasia service for other local shelters. When an animal gets to PETA, it has pretty much been decided that it is unadoptable. PETA chooses to provide this service because the alternative is either the animal living out its life in a cage, or being released onto the street to fend for itself. I believe PETA's opinion is that humane euthanasia is ethically preferable. I agree. - Dan G

Don't you three ever get bored with this? - Dan G

Deny cert: everyone involved will have bad breath. Oh wait, that's deny Certs. - Dan G

You're right. Send yours to me, I'll dispose of it for you. - Dan G

Especially if it is a child's life. - Dan G

I can't remember anyone in this thread advocating limiting ammo stores. Why do you keep insinuating they are? I think you'd agree that firefighters arriving at a fire where there are 100,000 cans of WD-40 are going to treat it differently than a regular house fire. This is no different. I'm not a firefighter, nor a reloader, but I'd probably be more concerned with the likely large quantities of powder on hand than the already loaded rounds. - Dan G

QED - Dan G

Yes it does. *not a liberal - Dan G

And ignorant gross generalizations are the same for cnservatives. - Dan G