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This is a different topic. I won't let a student jump without their log book. Hanging on to this and bringing it along is mandatory, and a look through their log book tells me alot more than a look at a license card. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

AFP is common at bigger centers, pioneered, I think, by Roger Nelson at SDC. 2 tandem jumps minimum to show they will deploy on time, then single side AFF. In terms of proficiency cards, my DZ keeps them in a file at the DZ rather than sending them with the student. NO, we're not a "GREEDY B" drop zone, rather a small club that does only S/L progression, but we've had enough lost cards, then ry to reconstruct, experiences over the years. I wouldn't sign off on something I couldn;t personally verify, but as has been said, a phone call to the past DZ and a request for a fax would probably take care of it. Doing AFP doesn't mean not using the ISP, just means a slightly different progression to Cat C. The lack of a card might just be the students fault (we do tell them that prior to licence, they'll need a copy of the card with them and their log book to jump at most other DZ's) As to the lack of a SIM, we keep several around the DZ, and even make copies of each catagory for students to take home and study (most just log on to USPA's website to download what they need). This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

I'm not a wingsuit flyer, but have owned/jumped 3 different Monarchs. They are very much like the old Sabre. They generally open in a slight turn, but stop themselves without input. They can really spank if you're not careful of how you position your slider. In over 500 jumps (195, 175, 155) I only got slapped once, at a boggie, hurry-up pack job. The guy I sold the 195 to complained all the time about hard openings, but he never stopped trash-packing it. I split it from the center out between each line group, quartered the slider, and rolled the nose 1 full turn. I was generally very careful to keep the slider up tight after I had it on the ground. They were great canopies and real cheap to buy used ten years ago, but they're getting pretty old by now. A great deal means what??? $250 This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back in the day JM's at 100 jumps were different. . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess they walked uphill to school both ways through deep snow, and had only gristle to eat, too. QuoteI think you're missing the point. The "old" jumpmaster rating wasn't a teaching rating and also didn't involve/need any freefall skills. A good jumpmaster needed to be able to gear-up and pin-check the students prior to boarding, make sure the S/L was properly connected, monitor the students climb out, and be able to see and remember what the student did after leaving the airplane. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

The biggest advantage to pulling both handles is that it eliminates the decision time for "do I pull one or both" from the process. Instead of a second or two lost deciding on which EP to follow, just execute. My only PCIT was packed by a 12 year old packer (who is now a nationally know figure in the sport, but will remain nameless) about 10 years ago. He'd been packing for his dad and others for a couple of years at the time. Deployed, felt funny, looked, looked down and pulled both in sequence, and was under canopy above 1/2 the load. Bottom line, having a "standard procedure" for high speed function might save a couple of seconds or more, especially for a low time jumper. Is there a possible down side to deploying both? Yes, but it beats going in while trying to decide. This thread seems to be broadening to include bag locks and horseshoes, which are not the same and deserve their own threads. Don't get confused, I'm talking about PCIT only here.

So, you want USPA to be a Federal agency, just like the FAA, that will totally regulate our sport??? Personally, I don't agree with some of the things USPA has done over the last 20 years, but I think the underlying assumption, that we are rational adults and should be treated as such, is what I want. This new program seems to be more of an informational thing than anything else. Here (FAA regs)are a bunch of poorly worded regulation that are interperted in many different ways in many different places and by many different people. Here (USPA) is a straightforward interpretation of what these rules actually mean. Signing the group pledge simplly means you have seen and understand what these ambiguous regs should mean to your operation. Anyone that choses not to abide by them is "on their own" and at the very least can't say "I didn't know" ________ If you choose to risk your life to experience the sport, and do not arm yourself with some knowledge, and excercise some common sense, Than maybe you are just Stupid! If you don't feel safe, either go elsewhere or call the FAA and ask for ramp checks at you drop zone. I'm sure they would be happy to comply This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Is anyone else getting tired of the growing number of anonamous posters on this forum?????????? This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Seems to be some misunderstanding of how the system works. I thought.... 1. 10# load disconnect of the skyhook was only if the reserve was deployed without cutting away the main, allowing the reserve pilot chute to disconnect from the RSL, not something that would disconnect the skyhook under a cutaway situation 2. The skyhook cuts-away the left, not the right riser 3. Unless you have the OLD style RSL set-up, a premature reserve deployment won't cut-away either riser. 4. The skyhook adds no complexity to the user for maintanance or operation, other than the possible disconnection of the RSL for CRW, canopy wrap, or high wind landings. 5. The lack of function of the original posters system sounds more like a packing/rigger error than anything else. If properly set up, I don't think the skyhook could NOT stay on the pilot chute bridle of the reserve, even during a spinning deployment. 6. Suggesting to a low time jumper that they would be better off without the skyhook is like suggesting that they would be better off without an AAD. Granted, under the right circumstance, anything can fail, but there are a lot more Skyhook saves that Skyhook problems. 6. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

I've had 1, caused by lines wrapped around the bag after deploying my pilot chute to clear a horseshoe. Voted in the no, with singe stowed tube stoes, as I didn't think the stow bands had anything to do with this one. Also have to ask, who double stows with tubestoes????? It's specifically NOT recommended by the manufacturer This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

A statistical sample of one careful jumper does not inform anyone about the risk from their use. A statistical sample of one not-careful jumper does not inform anyone about the risk of their use. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

I've used nothing but tube-stoes for the last 10+ years and never had a problem. I use the smaller version, made for microline, and double knot them per the instructions in the tube-stoe bag, then no need to double stow with microline. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

As an example, I would suggest that a skydiver that seeks out and gets canopy coaching from a qualified coach (e.g. Scott Miller, Brian Germain) increases his probability of survival compared to before receiving such coaching. Quote Or, I could suggest that the skydiver thats seeks out coaching (so he can downsize quickly to a sub-100' canopy loaded at 2+:1 and feels the need to do the really impressive swoops) decreases his probability of survival. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Your attitude is very common at this stage of your skydiving, and very dangerous. I had it and almost everyone I know has. This is truly a "death sport", and I've lost enough friends and seen enough happen to people I know and don't know to now realize this. I'm not talking about the statistical chances or the "shit happens", just reality. _____________ Statistics bear out that the longer you're in the sport (more jumps), that risk increases. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Each exit is an independent event. ____________ I don't pay any attention to this kind of stuff. Risk doesn't increase based on number of jumps unless you push the edge or get complacent. The independent event theory supposes that what will get you is just a matter of chance, which is also not true. Granted, there is the chance, however slight, that through no fault of yourself or anyone else, you may die, but this is so rare as to be not worth considering. Almost everyone that dies in this sport does so because they made a mistake (or more likely a series of small errors in judgement) or someone else made a mistake and they allowed themselves to be in a position to be affected by that other person's mistake. i.e. 1. do your normal hook at-the-edge landing 5' too low, or do it at the normally right altitude and catch the smallest burble, you're dead. 2. Set up to land and not notice that other guy, or assume he sees you, collide and die. 3. Have a very minor problem, get just a little fixated, try to recover too late, and die. The textbook malfunction isn't usually what's going to kill you. It's the little thing(s) that, as we become the least bit complacent, sneak up and bite. If you feel like "i don't really feel like i am in much danger (as the normal wuffo would assume)", that's when you start missing that one little thing that starts the chain of events that can kill you. But don't worry "shit happens" This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Have you talked to PD? They say the most common cause of tension knots (don't know if that is part of the problem) is twists in microlines. I'd walk every line from the canopy back to the risers to check for any twists. They're easy to take out of steering lines, require disconnecting to get out of the other lines. Have you checked the slider size against what PD recommends? Some of the Sabres were sometimes hard openers when new, and I've known people to put on oversize sliders to soften them up. Years ago, Charley Mullins was test jumping a really small prototype canopy at our boogie, trying different size sliders. One was big enough that it wouldn't let the canopy inflate and he had to chop it. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

barral rolls; bring in both your arm and leg (on the same side), as you pass 90 degrees, extend that arm and leg while bringing in the oposites, as you pass 270 get back into your arch. front flip; pull in both arms as you bend at the waist, keep your legs out, then as you're going onto your back extend your arms as you pull your knees/legs in. Extend your legs again as you pass head-up/270 degree portion of the flip and get back into your arch. back flip; pull your knees into your chest as you extend your arms, pushing down with your arms as you start to rotate, then when you're on your back extend your legs. Think about keeping your arms parallel to the ground through the whole flip, pushing all the way around as your body rotates. The biggest mistakes I see from students on these manuvers is not finishing the move, i.e. getting the first half of the flip and then getting stuck on your back. As has been said, talk to your instructor about this, but as I hadn't seen anyone directly reply, I thought I'd pass this along. This is how I teach it. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Argus and Vigil are definitely NOT the same thing with different packaging. I jump an Argus, don't trust the Vigil, like the Cypres also, but got a great deal on the Argus. Argus hasn't had the misfire issues of the Vigil. I once watched a student Cypres not fire til well under 500', so nothing is perfect, but it did save this guys life. I jumped for over 15 years without an AAD. I hope I never need it, but... This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

version I heard at Ft Dodge was someone wasted was walking/climbing/falling on the wing(s) Might have been an attempted base jump If you've ever been to Couch Freaks, you'll be "shocked" I'm shocked the owner didn't have the hanger locked up. Not making excuses for who ever did it, just saying that this is "couch freaks" This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Whoa, that's pretty hard..... I disagree. Young skydiver are a different generation, but the last guy I'd look to on this is Robert. He lived about 40 miles from me, i met him through a mutual friend and even had dinner at his house 30 years ago. Love his poetry but his prose has always been very self-centered. Try a book called "Generations, the history of America' future". We were a generation of individualists, these new kids are much more into community. They actually have more respect for their elders (us) than we ever did. But in any case, the ISP, which has been a revolution in terms of giving uniformity and structure to teaching skydiving, is the right answer for this new generation of skydivers. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

NO, it's not the program that's a failure. I came up through the S/L program almost 20 years ago, I'm a current S/L IE. Back then the BSR's in the SIM were the same number of pages as today, about 4, but the student training section was also about 4 pages. Count the pages in the ISP. This is a great program, but only if used. S/L progression wasn't any better than AFF. When I remember all the stuff I wasn't taught (flat turns under canopy, real techniques for freefall, even the 2 pull rule) and remember how I was taught (either be MORE agressive or less, put a hand out to turn, getting screamed at after the dive but being offered no advice for how to improve, etc), I can't see the superiority of either method. What you're complaining about isn't the method, it's the $ culture of the modern day "CENTER". For a variety of reason, more experienced people don't do the "free" jumps with low timer near as often. Why? Combination of things. Jumps are more expensive, there are more, better people to jump with (don't need the newbe's to fill out the 4-way), and many drop zones look at someone teaching anything for free as someone who is taking money out of their revenue stream. Also, if the DZ hasn't fully bought into the ISP, things are the same as they always have been. The suggestion that a student could independently complete a level 1 AFF dive on their own if only we spent more time teaching them is absurd. Learing skydiving is and always has been a progression. It takes time, good instruction, and a program after they start flying on their own. And I'm not even going to start on the teaching abilities of the new coaches vs. the old S/L jumpmasters. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

I quess then the question would be, why not use the ISP? It's one of best things to come out of USPA. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Which A-licence card do you use and why? I just got back from a trip south and visited a AFF turbine DZ. I was surprised to see them still using the "old" 2 page card rather than the new one. I've been pushing to get rid of the 2 page at our DZ for a while. The 4 page lays out everything following the ISP, and gives the student a great overview of the entire program. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Unfortunately, your plan probably won't make a difference because "I'm better (substitute smarter, more careful, have better judgement, safer) than they were." And the beat goes on, the beat goes on....... This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

1st, there are no idiot moments. There are lapses, mental lockups and over loads, and just plain fear. Watch Brian Germain's you-tube videos on controlling fear and stress. They're great. Based on what you're describing on jump 12, my assumption is you are in a static line program. Your jump before this was what, 20 sec delay, and this was your first 30+sec jump??? Losing altitude awareness is a very serious thing, always keep that priority #1, no if's and's or but's, but..... This jump had too many 1st's, first turns, first boxman, first pull based on altimeter rather than count. The static line progression should be simpler, with less new goals/skydive than AFF because you're out there on your own. I add only 1 goal in freefall and one under canopy for each jump. If you've been stable on proceeding jumps just try to add 1 thing for the next jump. I would suggest a stable jump, trying holding a heading, no turns, with altimeter checks. Remember not to twist you upper body when looking at your altimeter. If you're using a wrist mount, it's natural to raise your left arm to look at it, and raising your left arm will make you turn right. If things get out of control, focus altitude and leg position, forget everything else, and pull on time. Talk to a local instructor, not a coach if you have doubts about this. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

Jumped the V-2 for many years. Great rig in it's day, no problem with anything (including tracking) for RW or head-down, but not good for sit, the main and reserve flaps will open. I still own it and would jump it without reservations for RW. Make sure your closing loop is appropriate, not loose. I never had a problem, but did almost no sit. I've now got a V-3. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

50 jumps a year, less than 500 jumps, Stelletto 150.......... What to do with your RSL isn't the issue here. Anyway, most spinners with the stelletto involve a popped toggle/one side released brake. I've only had one, but the G-forces build damn fast. Get your toggle pulled or cut away, whatever, but don't take the time to play with anything else, or you will be subjected to enough G's that doing anything will become very difficult. This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.