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It's people like you that make me glad we are a nation of laws, not of mob sentiments. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Why should I pay the penalty for that person's crime? My guns have never killed anyone... Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Eventually the cost/benefit analysis will show diminishing returns. Who gets to make that call? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Is this how you feel about your fellow citizens? They're neither my problem, fault, nor obligation to help any more than the govt forces me to already. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Professor, you've changed tactics (rather slippery of you) so much on this thread, debating is moot. Let me be succinct: To those who want to pick my pocket for their diaper-shitters to have NHS style health coverage: Fuck your kids. They're not my problem. I don't care if they get hit by a bus tomorrow. I will fight your efforts to make me pay for them so long in court, if they win, they'll be adults and not eligible for it. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Well, there you have it. State Universities receive significant government subsidies. That's why tuition at U of Illinois is less than 1/3 of what it is at the private U. of Chicago or Northwestern U. You are a social leech after all. The govt paid it, and I earned it thru my efforts. It's called a contract. Would you say IIT shouldn't have their tax exemption? They're so eager to recruit ROTC students and their paid in full-tuition... it costs the US Govt less to pay for a Cadet at State U than IIT... You can't weasel out of it. YOU received a tuition subsidy from the state's taxpayers in order to attend a state university. Your ROTC scholarship didn't offset that subsidy. Your heroic "efforts" and "sweat" were for your own benefit, not the university's or the state's taxpayers' benefit. It costs them the same whether you get straight "A"s or straight "D"s. Sorry, you are a recipient of government handouts. Do you teach students whose tuition is being paid by ROTC? If so: Pot, Kettle. Kettle, Pot. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

You're right, no one cares. What's your point? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Well, there you have it. State Universities receive significant government subsidies. That's why tuition at U of Illinois is less than 1/3 of what it is at the private U. of Chicago or Northwestern U. You are a social leech after all. The govt paid it, and I earned it thru my efforts. It's called a contract. Would you say IIT shouldn't have their tax exemption? They're so eager to recruit ROTC students and their paid in full-tuition... it costs the US Govt less to pay for a Cadet at State U than IIT... Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Did you pay back the TRUE cost of your education? Yes and then some. Opportunity cost as well as sweat equity. Let us speak of your cause cause celebre': Why do taxpayers foot the bill for ATC? Why not fee-for-service? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

I paid back my end of the contract with the government. I doubt those who want universal health care will pay back (with interest) the true cost of care. This seems to be another US/UK divide. We fought a war 231 years ago to not be the same. No point in badgering each others. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Because we eventually want recreational access to that which is occasionally called the "'C'-Word..." Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

This must be those Right Wing Family Values we hear so much about. I've never claimed to be right or left wing...Try again. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

I will fight tooth and nail any attempt to have the govt pick my pocket to pay for some breeder's diaper shitter. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Ok, The difference is btw spent money and money not yet spent. That work for y'all? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

The British have a culture that looks at firearms differently than the Americans do. Both seem to want to export their views to the other. Didn't we fight a war 231 years ago that brought us to the conclusion that we're better off not being the same political entity? Threads like these remind me of a hamster wheel. Lotsa effort, and you get nowhere. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

I am not going to discuss the Iraq war in this thread. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

See point 1, Professor. I am not on this thread to debate Iraq. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

1. We have Iraq war threads, we have health care ones. Let's not muddy the issue, please. Apples and Oranges, anyone?? 2. My out of pocket expenses should not increase because someone decided to breed indiscriminately. It's your crotch fruit, you feed it and pay for it's maintenance. 3. I do not owe anyone any affirmative duty, unless I assume it voluntarily. I do owe them the duty of doing no harm thru actions, nothing else. "No affirmative duty to act"--ask a lawyer or law professor to clarify. 4. It's bad enough I, a single person, subsidize schools I don't have a child in. Take what you have, breeders, and be happy. Let's not get too greedy, k? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

That needed repeating. No, but it is part and parcel to the freedoms guaranteed us. I don't have to like someone. I can hate them, but as long as I do them no harm, I have right to my own thoughts, and their expression. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Believe me, you got your money's worth. Think otherwise? Try doing the numbers for replacing the entire Dept of Defense with Blackwater contractors. You got more out of the system than you put in. I resent having to pay for some idiot's unwillingness to use birth control. Your breeding should not pick my pocket. Edited to add: Re: Contributing to society--What is mine is MINE. I donate to charities willingly. I resent being forced by the govt to pay for the irresponsibility of others. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Free Roads--auto registration, gasoline tax=NOT FREE Free Public Schools--Taxes (income, excise tax, lottery)=NOT FREE School bus--Paid for thru a contract with the school district (See above two) NOT FREE. Why should I be forced to pay for someone's child? I had no say in their coming into existence, why should someone else's breeding pick my pocket? So what kind of school did you attend? Get any scholarships? K-12: Private schools. No scholarships. College: I signed a ROTC scholarship for a State University. It would've been the same cost to me, I chose State U over a private school for academic reasons, in effect saving the Govt money. And I paid back my end of the Contract via service to the Dept of Defense. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Free Roads--auto registration, gasoline tax=NOT FREE Free Public Schools--Taxes (income, excise tax, lottery)=NOT FREE School bus--Paid for thru a contract with the school district (See above two) NOT FREE. Why should I be forced to pay for someone's child? I had no say in their coming into existence, why should someone else's breeding pick my pocket? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

What services/protections/benefits do you think the government should provide? Police/Corrections Defense Enforcement of Contracts Education to 12th grade ..END OF LIST. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

And what is the problem with socialism? it seems that to many people here helping out unlucky childs would not be a bad thing if it wasn´t called socialism. Leave aside the national pride that everything american is the best and get the better of any system you find. Socialism has a few good things, even comunism has things to offer. Just for the record, i have top notch insurance that will cover virtually everything for me and my family, (bloody expensive as well), however we still usually go the public system because it has things that insurance does not offer. Like treatments not based on economical expenses. They are not interested in profit. good when it is my health what it is at stake. A mindset like this is why I am glad I don't live in Europe, where 2/3 of my money disappears down the void of a poorly run, nepotism-ridden government bureaucracy in the name of subsidizing the stupid, lazy, and poor. Once I am an attorney I will be doing my best to ensure that every last (legal) step will be taken to shield my income from Socialists' run-amok redistribution programs. I'll say it one more time--someone else's diaper-shitting crotch dropping is not my problem or responsibility. Fuck those who would make me pay for someone else's child. You breed 'em, you feed 'em. Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

Would you prefer "Crotch Dropping"? Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.